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Sevendust
04 January 2014 08:05:39

Probably the only saving grace today is a slackening of the jet allowing more HP influence by mid-month. There is some transient disruption in the zonal flow but we generally remain in poor territory for real cold.


The ECM ops 240z chart isn't that encouraging although we have HP albeit linked to a potential euroslug with deep LP well to the north

Gusty
04 January 2014 08:12:50

Encouraging to see a relaxaton in strong atlantic storm influences as we move into next week. In the middle term there does appear to be a slight cool down bringing the risk of some overnight frosts but fronts will never be too far from the west. In the longer term it is anyones guess but latest guidance would suggest height rises to the south would lead us into a milder and drier period for the south with nearer average and wetter conditions in the north. 


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Chiltern Blizzard
04 January 2014 08:20:38
Very different ECM this morning... Shouldn't be taken at face value any more than yesterday's potential-filled colder run... The main message to emerge of past day or so is the move from relative high to low confidence in contents of model output.

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roger63
04 January 2014 08:24:23


Probably the only saving grace today is a slackening of the jet allowing more HP influence by mid-month. There is some transient disruption in the zonal flow but we generally remain in poor territory for real cold.


The ECM ops 240z chart isn't that encouraging although we have HP albeit linked to a potential euroslug with deep LP well to the north


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


The GFS enembles are not encouraging either.I shall be monitoring the day to day trends thriughout January using the 0h output for each day.For each day the circulation type dominating the atmospheric flow over the UK  will be classified as  either zonal or Anticyclonic for each of the 20 ensemble members.This  is done for three periods of time 144h,240h and 360h


Thus first comparison this morning 0h v yesterday.(yesterday in brackets)


144h 90% (90%) Zonal,10%(10%) Anticyclonic.


240h 80%(70%) Zonal,20%(30%) Anticyclonic


360h 90%(65%)Zonal ,10%(35%) Anticyclonic.


In summary after flirting with blocking yeterday the flow type has shifted back to strong zonal.It did look yeterday with the GFS and ECM coming up with cold operational runs and METO looking as if it might follow ECM,as if 144h was a possible tipping point but today looks like the default Zonal ha swin through at the 144h stage.

marting
04 January 2014 08:27:16

It really is a case of the models nto having a clue at the moment - need some consistency on post 7 days.


Although just looked at ECM ensemble charts and they do still appear to keep the scandi high at 216.


Martin


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JACKO4EVER
04 January 2014 08:29:46
Morning all. After yesterday's fun and games a quick flick through the latest data reveals a general zonal pattern with less in the way of colder solutions. Hints of a pressure rise to the south leaves us with the not too slim possibility of a milder, dry spell of weather especially down South rather like early December. Much more to cheer from a milder weather fans point of view this morning !
Retron
04 January 2014 08:42:37

Morning all. After yesterday's fun and games a quick flick through the latest data reveals a general zonal pattern with less in the way of colder solutions. Hints of a pressure rise to the south leaves us with the not too slim possibility of a milder, dry spell of weather especially down South rather like early December. Much more to cheer from a milder weather fans point of view this morning !

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


Don't get carried away there Jacko!


http://oi40.tinypic.com/2vcw3zk.jpg 0z ECM-15


http://oi43.tinypic.com/29ay6hh.jpg yesterday's 12z ECM-15 for comparison


As you'll see from the ECM ensembles, nothing much has changed since yesterday. It's still looking drier and colder from the 9th, a date which was picked out a week ago as marking the change. The operational ECM has a high of just 1C on day 10 for Reading, but it's not well supported - the mean high is a whopping 4C.


My advice to mild lovers based on the ECM-15 is to make the most of Sunday to Wednesday, as there's a clear signal for a swicth back to normal temperatures thereafter. GEFS retains its flip-flopping nature, something which is common when a pattern change is afoot.


Leysdown, north Kent
marting
04 January 2014 08:44:08

The ECM ensembles for Reading are a freebie today and show the ECM operational run was an outlier for days 9 and 10. Mean remains cold and control run coldest again. So some hope this morning still for cold fans.


Martin


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GIBBY
04 January 2014 08:49:08

Good morning everyone from another wet morning in the West Country. Here is the report from the NWP output from the midnight runs for today Saturday January 4th 2013, lifted from http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm.


All models show an unstable SW flow across the UK with a disturbance carrying rain steadily North and East across Southern and Eastern areas through today followed by more showery conditions later. This showery flow will continue overnight though a small ridge is shown to cross giving rise to a drier window when a slight frost might develop in places. Tomorrow will see a very deep Low in the Western Atlantic throwing troughs well ahead of it over Britain later tomorrow with rain and strong winds followed by showers taking control later tomorrow and on Monday. On Tuesday and Wednesday this showery them continues as all models show the parent Low filling to the North of Scotland. Secondary features could give rise to more prolonged rainfall in the South towards midweek. Through all this period temperatures will remain largely close to the seasonal average but it could be just abut cold enough for some snow on Northern hills today and again towards midweek.


GFS then shows further troughs of Low pressure trundling Eastwards across the UK later next week in a slacker Westerly flow. With High pressure to the South these fronts could become hung up over Southern areas at times with further prolonged rain here while the North turns cooler and showery on occasion. Then later in the period a period of mild Southerly winds with rain in the West becomes replaced by further Low pressure over the UK at the end of the run with rain and showers for all.


UKMO next Friday shows a lobe of High pressure stretching from the Azores to Biscay with all of the UK in a slacker West to SW flow with troughs moving across from the West and maintaining the risk of rain or showers at times, especially in the North with temperatures remaining close to average.


GEM shows pressure building to the SE later next week with a mild Southerly flow drifting up across the UK as Low pressure areas set up shop over the Atlantic. It isn't long before troughs arrive from the West from these to affect principally Western and Southern areas then extending further North and East later.


NAVGEM closes it's run with a slack pressure gradient over the UK in a Westerly flow with slack High pressure to the South. Troughs would cross slowly East over the UK from the West at times, each giving rain at times though less heavy and frequent than what we have seen of late.


ECM today has removed it's Scandinavian High and subsequent threat of colder conditions and replaced it with High pressure to the SE and South gradually taking control. Rain on a front will eventually clear the SE late next week ahead of drier and quieter weather with overnight mist and fog and touches of frost likely with breezier and cloudier weather in the North and West with occasional rain.


The GFS Ensembles show a resilient pattern with very little change in temperatures over the whole period and a very Atlantic based pattern. All areas look like continuing to see rain at times with little in the way of frost, fog, ice or snow.


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows the reasons for the maintained unsettled Atlantic bias to it's track this morning as it continues to feed across the Atlantic towards Southern Britain and France through the period although some disruption is shown for a time next week which ridges it further North over the Atlantic for a time.


The ECM 10 Day Mean Chart this morning shows some support for something of a pressure rise over Scandinavia which should at least dry things up for the UK over time. Low pressure is shown biased towards Greenland keeping the UK under something of a trough and SW winds which would probably mean some rain at times most likely towards the North and West. I would suggest average temperatures the most likely result though frosts could become more frequent in the East closest to High pressure wherever it may be situated over Europe.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


In Summary this morning we have some differences of opinion on what happens once our next week depression fills up and moves away. Most models support further troughs for a time moving in off the Atlantic to continue occasional rain up to and including next weekend. There is also reasonable support for pressure rises to the South and SE with a more Southerly feed around Low pressure in the Atlantic keeping the rain risk further towards the North and West while ECM become quite anticyclonic later though with some troublesome weak troughs to clear out of the SE first whereas GFS keeps the Atlantic monsoon going throughout. There isn't much indication from anything I have seen today to suggest a shift towards cold and wintry weather which I know cold weather fans are becoming desperate to see but for those that are looking for something drier, less windy and still reasonably mild for the time of year then your wish may be granted in a week or so time with as always in the UK a few caveats.


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Retron
04 January 2014 09:09:31
http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?type=eps_pluim&element=&r=zuidwest 

A big increase in cold, Continental chill for a place 115 miles away from me. And the wind direction mean is now skewed east of south due to the increased number of colder-sourced runs.
Leysdown, north Kent
The Beast from the East
04 January 2014 09:16:42

a disappointing step backwards today (to coincide with another absurd Daily Express front page!)


Looks like we will need the second attempt to get a successful effort as it seems the 144-168 timescale has now failed to undercut sufficiently


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idj20
04 January 2014 09:22:52

Encouraging to see a relaxaton in strong atlantic storm influences as we move into next week. In the middle term there does appear to be a slight cool down bringing the risk of some overnight frosts but fronts will never be too far from the west. In the longer term it is anyones guess but latest guidance would suggest height rises to the south would lead us into a milder and drier period for the south with nearer average and wetter conditions in the north. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 



I can live with that.


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ARTzeman
04 January 2014 09:35:34

Lets hope the charts change for next weekend and after. . Day 11 onwards or else no coldie will survive...






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doctormog
04 January 2014 09:57:00
Ignoring the inter-run wobbles and differences the overall trend towards a different patern next weekend continues on this morning's output. With that comes a higher prospect of something wintry and a (thankfully) decreasing likelihood of run after run of damaging low pressure systems.

It may not (yet) be the Polar Express but the train is still coming - destination unknown.
Sevendust
04 January 2014 09:58:13

Ignoring the inter-run wobbles and differences the overall trend towards a different patern next weekend continues on this morning's output. With that comes a higher prospect of something wintry and a (thankfully) decreasing likelihood of run after run of damaging low pressure systems. It may not (yet) be the Polar Express but the train is still coming - destination unknown.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Leysdown IMO

nickl
04 January 2014 09:58:38

http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?type=eps_pluim&element=&r=zuidwest A big increase in cold, Continental chill for a place 115 miles away from me. And the wind direction mean is now skewed east of south due to the increased number of colder-sourced runs.

Originally Posted by: Retron 


the ecm is definitely headed towards a scandi ridge/euro trough set up with the atlantic gradually making inroads into the uk. naefs not there so caution remains the watchword.

some faraway beach
04 January 2014 10:00:04


Morning all. After yesterday's fun and games a quick flick through the latest data reveals a general zonal pattern with less in the way of colder solutions. Hints of a pressure rise to the south leaves us with the not too slim possibility of a milder, dry spell of weather especially down South rather like early December. Much more to cheer from a milder weather fans point of view this morning !

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Don't get carried away there Jacko!


http://oi40.tinypic.com/2vcw3zk.jpg 0z ECM-15


http://oi43.tinypic.com/29ay6hh.jpg yesterday's 12z ECM-15 for comparison


As you'll see from the ECM ensembles, nothing much has changed since yesterday. It's still looking drier and colder from the 9th, a date which was picked out a week ago as marking the change. The operational ECM has a high of just 1C on day 10 for Reading, but it's not well supported - the mean high is a whopping 4C.


My advice to mild lovers based on the ECM-15 is to make the most of Sunday to Wednesday, as there's a clear signal for a swicth back to normal temperatures thereafter. GEFS retains its flip-flopping nature, something which is common when a pattern change is afoot.


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


I know this is pedantry, but the central line in those temperature blocks is the median temperature rather than the mean. I just mention this, because you are sometimes dismissive of mean charts (rightly, in my view, as they can show outcomes which no individual ensemble member actually supports). These graphs, however, are more useful, since they show medians and quartiles, which are a better guide to how the individual ensemble members are really shaping up.


2 miles west of Taunton, 32 m asl, where "milder air moving in from the west" becomes SNOWMAGEDDON.
Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
nickl
04 January 2014 10:16:17


http://www.weerplaza.nl/15daagseverwachting/?type=eps_pluim&element=&r=zuidwest A big increase in cold, Continental chill for a place 115 miles away from me. And the wind direction mean is now skewed east of south due to the increased number of colder-sourced runs.

Originally Posted by: nickl 


the ecm is definitely headed towards a scandi ridge/euro trough set up with the atlantic gradually making inroads into the uk. naefs not there so caution remains the watchword.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


apparently mogreps-15 beginning to find some support aswell. from little acorns .....................

Ally Pally Snowman
04 January 2014 10:28:53
Reasons to be cheerful this morning after the fairly poor Ops. The ECM ensembles for Holland are the coldest this winter. And the mysterious MOGREPs is trending much colder.


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An emerging number of MOGREPS members are starting to show much colder solutions by end of the trend period (15d). This hadn't been the case recently.



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Rob K
04 January 2014 10:30:39

Morning all. After yesterday's fun and games a quick flick through the latest data reveals a general zonal pattern with less in the way of colder solutions. Hints of a pressure rise to the south leaves us with the not too slim possibility of a milder, dry spell of weather especially down South rather like early December. Much more to cheer from a milder weather fans point of view this morning !

Originally Posted by: Retron 


Don't get carried away there Jacko!
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2vcw3zk.jpg http://oi43.tinypic.com/29ay6hh.jpg  yesterday's 12z ECM-15 for comparison
As you'll see from the ECM ensembles, nothing much has changed since yesterday. It's still looking drier and colder from the 9th, a date which was picked out a week ago as marking the change. The operational ECM has a high of just 1C on day 10 for Reading, but it's not well supported - the mean high is a whopping 4C.
My advice to mild lovers based on the ECM-15 is to make the most of Sunday to Wednesday, as there's a clear signal for a swicth back to normal temperatures thereafter. GEFS retains its flip-flopping nature, something which is common when a pattern change is afoot.

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 



I'd love to know how ECM comes up with a high of 1C on day 10 from that op run with a SW flow!
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nickl
04 January 2014 10:42:02

Morning all. After yesterday's fun and games a quick flick through the latest data reveals a general zonal pattern with less in the way of colder solutions. Hints of a pressure rise to the south leaves us with the not too slim possibility of a milder, dry spell of weather especially down South rather like early December. Much more to cheer from a milder weather fans point of view this morning !

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Don't get carried away there Jacko!
http://oi40.tinypic.com/2vcw3zk.jpg http://oi43.tinypic.com/29ay6hh.jpg  yesterday's 12z ECM-15 for comparison
As you'll see from the ECM ensembles, nothing much has changed since yesterday. It's still looking drier and colder from the 9th, a date which was picked out a week ago as marking the change. The operational ECM has a high of just 1C on day 10 for Reading, but it's not well supported - the mean high is a whopping 4C.
My advice to mild lovers based on the ECM-15 is to make the most of Sunday to Wednesday, as there's a clear signal for a swicth back to normal temperatures thereafter. GEFS retains its flip-flopping nature, something which is common when a pattern change is afoot.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



I'd love to know how ECM comes up with a high of 1C on day 10 from that op run with a SW flow!

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 



In the se, slack continental flow, thicknesses around 530 uppers -2.5c. That's midnight day 9. The day that follows could surely be chilly to say the least.
tallyho_83
04 January 2014 10:43:14
What happened to the blocking HP that was present over the previous runs yesterday? Now the OP runs show SWLY's up until 20th Jan!?? - With no sign of any settled weather let alone colder?? :-(
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04 January 2014 10:49:53

Encouraging to see a relaxaton in strong atlantic storm influences as we move into next week. In the middle term there does appear to be a slight cool down bringing the risk of some overnight frosts but fronts will never be too far from the west. In the longer term it is anyones guess but latest guidance would suggest height rises to the south would lead us into a milder and drier period for the south with nearer average and wetter conditions in the north.

Originally Posted by: idj20 



I can live with that.

Originally Posted by: Gusty 



Ditto.

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04 January 2014 10:54:04

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Sevendust
04 January 2014 11:02:03

What happened to the blocking HP that was present over the previous runs yesterday? Now the OP runs show SWLY's up until 20th Jan!?? - With no sign of any settled weather let alone colder?? 😞 Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

">http://www.weathercharts.org/wetterzentraleGFSforecast.htm


That's why its called FI


Tbf there are some signs of less unsettled conditions which may promote some surface cold later

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