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Gooner
06 January 2014 23:33:27

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-240.png?18


control gets us close to an Easterly


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Karl Guille
06 January 2014 23:37:46

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-240.png?18


control gets us close to an Easterly

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



And an easterly influence of various degrees on 10 of the ensembles too Marcus!


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glenogle
06 January 2014 23:38:47

If in doubt, go for the classic, a fortnight after america gets it we will get it.


Therefore keep an eye on the charts for around the 18th to 21st for wintry weather 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Didn't the wintry weather in America start in November though?!

Originally Posted by: glenogle 



Yes, but this is different.....somehow 🙂
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Chiltern Blizzard
06 January 2014 23:40:39
Although I've seen steeper gradients over shorter ranges, the 45 degree range over a 800 miles or so - incredible.

Apart from the ifs and maybes in the longer term, rain is a real problem... Although I generally don't find such spells particularly interesting synoptically, we really need an extended dry spell, mild or cold.
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Gooner
06 January 2014 23:45:17


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-240.png?18


control gets us close to an Easterly


Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 



And an easterly influence of various degrees on 10 of the ensembles too Marcus!

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-276.png?18


Control gives us a decent battle


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Gooner
06 January 2014 23:48:02


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-240.png?18


control gets us close to an Easterly


Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 



And an easterly influence of various degrees on 10 of the ensembles too Marcus!

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Just flicked through them, certainly more interest tonight Karl


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07 January 2014 01:45:55
Just to clarify, as I am a fairly new bod with weather watching and model interpretation. ...... I asked a question last yr reference diference between high and low pressure systems, and what differentiates a high from a low pressure system.. does a system have a defining point? I believe I was told it is to do with if the system pressure is rising or falling, if its rising its a high, falling its a low........ if I remember correctly. ..
Is it possible for a system to oscillate? I mean the pressure becomes unstable and rises then falls then rises again in a short space of time, does its label changed accordingly straight away? I mean how long does a system havecto be a fixed pressure before it can be re classified?

If you see what I mean? If not I'll try to ask the question clearer....
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Snowedin3
07 January 2014 06:24:21
After a quick flick through the models this morning before I go to the doctors for an apparent ankle break 😞 a step in the right direction towards a cold snap/spell if that's what you're after.
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Rob K
07 January 2014 06:25:52
VSC: No. It is not to do with whether the pressure is rising it falling. A low that is filling (becoming less deep) say from 950mb to 970mb is still a low.

What defines a low or high pressure system is the pressure in relation to its surroundings. Eg you can have a "low" of 1020mb which might be a small depression in an area of high pressure, or you could have a "high" of 1010mb if the pressure in the vicinity is very low.

You might as well ask what is the height cut-off point between a hill and a valley. Obviously there isn't one - the bottoms of the valleys in the Himalayas are higher above sea level than the tops of the mountains in Scotland, but that doesn't mean you should classify Ben Nevis as a valley.

Also remember of course that (in the northern hemisphere) the winds circle a high pressure system clockwise and a low pressure system anticlockwise. That doesn't suddenly change just because a system is filling it deepening. A low is a low and a high is a high, until they dissipate entirely and get absorbed into other systems.


Meanwhile on the models... GFS spins LP up into Scandinavia and keeps any 200hr easterly well out if our reach but does bring in some major Atlantic blocking later in the run, enough to waft some chilly air as far as the UK. UKMO has better blocking by 144 but still looks pretty tenuous, although a trough does seek to be heading SE instead of NE.

Edit: ECM looking promising by 144 though.
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Gusty
07 January 2014 06:38:36

Fascinating output so far this morning. 


After the weekends brief respite from the very wet and windy conditions it still looks as if high pressure will decline towards Europe. What is emerging is signs that the Arctic High will attempt to nose southwards attempting to link to the declining european high pressure and making a block to our east.


What happens next is anyones guess...some output sends energy under the block opening up the gates for a cold easterly, some stall the fronts over the uk, some just manage to push eastwards enough to bring in a somewhat milder influence in the longer term.


The GEFS 240 hour ensembles are all over the place.


The first battle may be lost to the powerhouse atlantic..what is encouraging for the cold contingent is that energy is not consistently being modelled to override the Scandi block. 


The longer the block holds the better opportunities there are for decent cold in the long term.


Patience is required.


 


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roger63
07 January 2014 07:42:29


Fascinating output so far this morning. 


After the weekends brief respite from the very wet and windy conditions it still looks as if pressure will decline towards Europe. What is emerging is signs that the Arctic High will attempt to nose southwards attempting to link to the declining european high pressure and making a block to our east.


What happens next is anyones guess...some output sends energy under the block opening up the gates for a cold easterly, some stall the fronts over the uk, some just manage to push eastwards enough to bring in a somewhat milder influence in the longer term.


The GEFS 240 hour ensembles are all over the place.


The first battle may be lost to the powerhouse atlantic..what is encouraging for the cold contingent is that energy is not consistently being modelled to override the Scandi block. 


The longer the block holds the better opportunities there are for decent cold in the long term.


Patience is required.


 


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Daily report on GFS 0h Ens.Ratio Zonal to Anticyclonic circulation(previous days in brackets)


144h 70:30 (90:10,60:40,90:10,90:10)


240h 40:60 (75:25,65:35,65:35,70:30) 


360h 65:35 (65:35,55:45,90:10,80:20)


At 144h slightly less zomal than yesterdays 0h,but less of a HP build than yesterday evenings 12h.Also HP build on ECM  post 144h less convincing,and METO still not showuing any build>GEM best of bunch,but generally Atlantic is abit more prgrssiv than the 12h runs.


However as Gutsy says patience.and certainly at 240h there is a significant shift with the frst set of ensembles to show anticyclonic members in the majority.Unfortunately the lower ratio at 360h suggests that this sirattion is short lived.


But still lots of opprtinity for a cold spell before the month is out.


 

GIBBY
07 January 2014 09:01:44

Good morning. Here is the report on today's NWP output for today Tuesday January 7th 2013.


All models show the filling of the deep Atlantic depression to the North of Scotland continuing a pace with less windy weather developing through today. The frequent showers will become less widespread today and the process will continue overnight. However, all models show a disturbance running close to SE Britain tonight and a larger disturbance tomorrow bringing heavy rain back across Southern Britain later. Then after all models show a Westerly flow on Thursday and the rest of the week and start to the weekend with some further showers. Sunday then shows a ridge of High pressure bring a decent day to end the weekend.


GFS then shows next week as another very unsettled and potentially wet week as further Low pressure moves East then SE over the UK, each bringing their own spells of potentially heavy rain followed by showers in blustery winds with the end frames of the run showing a colder push from Europe to the SE briefly on the exit of the last depression of the run.


The GFS Ensembles show a continued pattern of only small changes in both pattern and temperature values with the only trend of note is for the winds to be a little less notable and temperatures to be a little less mild. With regard to rainfall however there is still scope for disruption due to further heavy rain at times from this morning's ensemble set.


UKMO today closes it's run next Monday with a Low pressure centre over Iceland pushing an active Atlantic trough slowly East across the UK with copious rainfall for all through the day.


GEM also shows a very unsettled week next week as a series of depression commencing on Monday move close to the West of the UK with heavy rain on several occasions under blustery West winds before they turn North or NE late in the run with rain turning to snow in places as temperatures would take a sharp dip.


NAVGEM today shows Low pressure up to the NW with fronts crossing NE over the UK with further rain at times to start next week.


ECM next week shows very changeable conditions with pressure relatively high to the East and repeated attacks from the Atlantic sending bands of rain repeatedly into the UK from the Atlantic before becoming slow moving over the UK and sliding away SE. Rain could well be heavy at times and cause further disruption should this run verify.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean charts show a very worrying trend for those afflicted by fronts. There appears good support for High pressure to set up shop to the East of the UK with troughs ganging up on the UK to the West or over the UK. This could mean slow moving bands of rain affecting the UK throughout the end of next week exasipating flooding issues.


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The Jet Stream Forecast shows the long lasting strong West to East flow of late breaking up somewhat over the coming days before something of a reset takes place but at the European end the flow is forced South to lower latitudes in response to higher pressure to the East or NE.


In Summary this morning it is not a pretty sight for those looking for drier weather as after a brief lull for some at the weekend next week looks again very disturbed and potentially wet but under different type of synoptics than of late. This time higher pressure looks like being maintained to the East of the UK with the Atlantic still quite active. This then has the effect of stalling the rain bearing fronts coming into the West and consequently giving rise to much unwanted rainfall through the week with conditions cold enough for some snow on Northern hills at times. In the models longer term trends it look as though undercutting of the lows in a more SE fashion over Europe may develop and if this verifies it maybe that in 10-14 days that we may finally see something more seasonal from the East become more of a threat for the UK.


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The Beast from the East
07 January 2014 09:26:14

ECM ens seem to have trended warmer again today. Looks like a good call from GFS again. We will have to wait another 2 weeks at least, if it comes at all that is!


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Saint Snow
07 January 2014 09:37:04

it still looks as if high pressure will decline towards Europe. 

Originally Posted by: Gusty 


 


That's the pity. If only it'd get 'sucked up' by the southward-nosing Arctic High, with lows slamming into mainland Europe, we'd be in business. A lack of high pressure over mainland Europe, coupled with the Azores High vacationing to the W/SW of its usual home, was a hallmark of some of our decent winter spells in the past few years.



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GIBBY
07 January 2014 09:48:31

I think the main talking point of note from this morning's output should be the concern of more disruptive rainfall likely next week which is certainly more likely than disruptive snowfall.


I really do admire you folks on here for continually scanning the model outputs for that elusive cold snap and the prospect of snow. I used to be much the same in my younger years. Nowadays I take the weather as it comes and enjoy it all equally, that way it has become a year round fascinating hobby and not just a hobby of bitter disappointments when the expected snow and ice doesn't materialise which let's face it is more often than not in the UK. Still keep it up guys I enjoy your banter when I get in from my workshop each evening


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Russwirral
07 January 2014 09:49:26

Seems like the familiar story of the beast from the east.


 


It takes several kick starts for it to eventually happen.  Will show in FI for the next two weeks before drawing in.


 


We will see a few false starts, eventually the beast will win through - in May when it brings unseasonally cool winds.


 


 


Stormchaser
07 January 2014 09:52:26

Throwing it down in Reading over the past 15 minutes... the rain during the past few days has often been more like April showers than January showers  Very large rain drops this morning.


 


Anyway, taking the models in combination only serves to reinforce the idea of Atlantic energy becoming 'wedged' under the block in the form of a negatively tilted trough and secondary disturbances arriving within.


Even when the main troughing is away from us Friday-Saturday, there looks to be a trailing front delivering spells of rain across parts of England and Wales.


 


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Arcus
07 January 2014 09:53:52

You pays your money and you takes yer choice.


GEM 0z Op @240


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014010700/gem-0-240.png?00


 


GEM 0z Control @180


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/gem/run/gens-0-1-180.png


 


Plenty of options on the table, wouldn't like to call anything cold or mild in the mid to long term.


 


 


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Gavin P
07 January 2014 09:54:56

Looks like we've got the "nightmare" scenario unfolding of fronts coming up against the Scandi block and becoming slow moving.


We may have to start thinking about some of the wettest Januaries on record at this rate?


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Snowedin3
07 January 2014 10:03:29
Possibility if enough continental air gets mixed in as those fronts start stalling and digging SE that a few wintry Suprises could happen obviously more so on higher ground.
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sizzle
07 January 2014 10:04:37


Looks like we've got the "nightmare" scenario unfolding of fronts coming up against the Scandi block and becoming slow moving.


We may have to start thinking about some of the wettest Januaries on record at this rate?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


looking forward to it, bring it on,  looking forward to your next video update gavin skywalker,

David M Porter
07 January 2014 10:06:35

Although I've seen steeper gradients over shorter ranges, the 45 degree range over a 800 miles or so - incredible. Apart from the ifs and maybes in the longer term, rain is a real problem... Although I generally don't find such spells particularly interesting synoptically, we really need an extended dry spell, mild or cold.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Absolutely. An end to this incessant rain and some dry weather is what we need right now; snow can wait for a while IMO.


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Charmhills
07 January 2014 10:13:14


Looks like we've got the "nightmare" scenario unfolding of fronts coming up against the Scandi block and becoming slow moving.


We may have to start thinking about some of the wettest Januaries on record at this rate?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Yep, rainfall will be of concern no doubt.


Generally unsettled even into FI.


More heavy rain later tomorrow for England and Wales to with many rivers at or in full flood if you look at the river cams,


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Gooner
07 January 2014 10:24:31


Looks like we've got the "nightmare" scenario unfolding of fronts coming up against the Scandi block and becoming slow moving.


We may have to start thinking about some of the wettest Januaries on record at this rate?


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Or the snowiest if things went our way


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GlenH
07 January 2014 10:42:08


You pays your money and you takes yer choice.


GEM 0z Op @240


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014010700/gem-0-240.png?00


 


GEM 0z Control @180


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/gem/run/gens-0-1-180.png


 


Plenty of options on the table, wouldn't like to call anything cold or mild in the mid to long term.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


 


GEM is certainly the pick of the bunch this morning if you like cold.

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