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Gooner
17 January 2014 08:31:59

I think we should look at the northern hemisphere charts. The one postive if you are hope for cold and snow is the high pressure development within the Arctic circle. It is evident in both GFS and ECM.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011700/gfsnh-0-264.png?0


Exactly right, I was quite pleased to see this ^^^


 


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


John p
17 January 2014 08:41:49

Even in the winters of the 90's and 00's we got the odd toppler but this winter is devoid of anything can could even bring a wintry shower.

This mornings runs are dire, no northerly, no easterly not even a north westerly, just low pressure to the NW of the Uk and a endless stream of systems moving east across the UK.

On this Friday last year much of England South of Lancashire was swept by a snowstorm that turned out to be the first of many.

Andy

Originally Posted by: sriram 



Totally agree - even the infamous winters of 1990s and 2000s saw snow falling but melting quickly

Even 1989 saw snow I think

Thus winter is absolutely pathetic - temps not fallen below max of 7 or 8c

No frost of substance - min of -1c

Thus is by far the WORST winter if all time

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 



You're making the assumption that the second half of winter will be the same as the first half....
February could be a snowfest, then your post could look a tad foolish...

Camberley, Surrey
sriram
17 January 2014 08:48:53
I dont think feb will be a snowfest - just more of the same
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
162m ASL
GIBBY
17 January 2014 08:53:10

Good morning folks. Here is my report on the midnight outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday January 17th 2014.


All models show Low pressure to the NW of the UK> Winds will be slack over today and the weekend with sunny spells and showers today with coastal areas most at risk from these. Tonight and tomorrow sees a front over the SE later today move West and North across the UK becoming lodged South to north across SW England and Wales tomorrow with heavy rain at times here before the front moves bodily East tomorrow evening to return a mix of sunshine and showers again on Sunday, these chiefly in the SW. Monday then sees a brighter day and many places may see a dry day while the West continues the risk of some showers. Temperatures will remain close to average through the period.


GFS then shows that from Tuesday unsettled weather moves back in from the Atlantic with spells of rain and showers blowing through on the Westerly winds which will become quite brisk at times. Then through the latter stages of this morning's run the weather remains very unsettled and windy as deep Low pressure revolves around the UK continuing to feed areas of rain and showers with snow on Northern hills at times in temperatures near to or a little below average, especially in the North.


The GFS Ensembles show complete domination by Atlantic pressure systems through the output this morning with nearly all members offering only short drier spells between the rain bands with little or no sign of any dry and cold weather in sight.


UKMO today on Thursday shows Low pressure to the North of the Uk with a blustery Westerly wind carrying a trough East across the UK through the day bringing yet more rain. Temperatures would be close to average.


GEM today keeps Low pressure across the UK as it fills later in the week. Pressure remains higher on this model to the North and NE later feeding some colder air into the mix but away from the hills outbreaks of rain rather than snow would be likely.


NAVGEM keeps Low pressure feeding down over the UK from the NW later next week with further rain at times and perhaps some snow on Northern hills at times, especially towards the far NE.


ECM shows rising pressure from the SW for a time later next week reducing rainfall amounts in the South for a time while maintaining relatively mild and breezy Westerly winds. Later in the run and over next weekend deep Low pressure will slip back down from the North with outbreaks of rain and showers in strong winds for all to end the run.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts shows the trend for renewed Low pressure to become established just to the North of the UK with unstable Westerly winds and rain at times for all the most likely outcome for all from ECM Ensembles in 10 Days time.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2161.gif
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reem2401.gif


The Jet Stream shows little signs of significant change in it's trajectory and movements over the next few weeks as far as the UK is concerned. there will be occasional shifting of lifting the flow over the UK at times from a position to the South for much of the time feeding off the Atlantic.


In Summary the weather is continuing to look very Atlantic based over the next few weeks with rain at times from Low pressure areas drifting SE over the UK at first and then perhaps Low pressure maintaining a more Northerly position close to Scotland later next week. These synoptic changes will make little difference to us at the surface as we will all continue to see rain at times in temperatures close to average though some colder air could feed into Northern areas at times firstly from the East and later from the NW but overall there remains little or no chance of anything significantly wintry indicated from any output this morning.


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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roger63
17 January 2014 09:01:31

Not a sign from any of the models ,incuding GFS ens of easterly getting in within the reliable timeframe.(144h)


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=156&mode=0&carte=0


Only ray of light GEM at 156 which brings in an easterly ariound the top of subsiding Lp and then buids HP to the NE.


In genneral if current ouput verified we are in for  a 2 week crapfest of ordinaryness.

The Beast from the East
17 January 2014 09:26:03

Huge scatter quite early on from the ECM ens. Some still bring the easterly but op and control dont


http://www.knmi.nl/exp/pluim/vijftiendaagse/index.php


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johnm1976
17 January 2014 09:27:37

I dont think feb will be a snowfest - just more of the same

Originally Posted by: sriram 


 


Really? Just wait for the strat to warm up.

soperman
17 January 2014 09:51:27

Time for a break from the charts for a couple of weeks

sriram
17 January 2014 09:57:11
I really feel sorry for member Gibby with his excellent analysis - but he must get so bored and tired of phrases like Atlantic continuing, rain, nothing for coldies on the output this morning etc
Sriram
Sedgley, West Midlands ( just south of Wolverhampton )
162m ASL
The Beast from the East
17 January 2014 10:07:21

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011706/gfsnh-0-108.png?6


solid agreement on another failed easterly. What a surprise!


 


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David M Porter
17 January 2014 10:10:40


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011706/gfsnh-0-108.png?6


solid agreement on another failed easterly. What a surprise!


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I think it was always touch-and-go, though. With the atlantic still strong at the moment, it would have been a surprise to me if we'd had an outright easterly spell in the next week or so. Hopefully, if the SSW can weaken the Polar Vortex and the jet sufficiently as we go towards the end of Jan/start of Feb, then we may have a better chance of a change.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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Gooner
17 January 2014 10:28:39

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011706/gfsnh-5-174.png?6


Look at that jet...no favours there


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
17 January 2014 10:30:17

LOL


What a horror show of a run


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Gooner
17 January 2014 10:31:15

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011700/gfsnh-10-384.png?0


From the 0z , maybe this might help February


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
17 January 2014 10:35:35

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011706/gfsnh-0-204.png?6


Arctic is in play, that might help , it is a consistent theme


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
17 January 2014 10:39:20
Strange the change in tone here compared to yesterday when the charts look more or less the same as they did 24 hours ago! I'll never be able to understand the swings in optimism in the MO thread. Ah well, it's a beautiful sunny morning as I walk to work so I'll just enjoy the here and now!
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Gooner
17 January 2014 10:40:44

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011706/gfsnh-0-288.png?6


Yep what a crap chart


 



 


I will take that any day


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Rob K
17 January 2014 11:06:20

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2882.png


 If this is a horror show then I'm ready to start screaming.


 


Of course, just like with easterlies, the models always do overboard when they first pick up northerlies, and show massive amounts of polar air flooding south. If they actually come to fruition, they're always rather more modest, but still this is a large-scale pattern not to be sniffed at.


 


We've seen this pattern crop up in FI a few times in the past week, but never consistently from run to run.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Quantum
17 January 2014 11:13:20

Urgh this is starting to get irratating now, I must admit. Its like the god of Entropy (Sharron) is trolling us. Who knows which way the pendulum will swing next. If an easterly is not going to happen, then please GFS, ECM just have the atlantic win not half heartedly. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Rob K
17 January 2014 11:28:36


If an easterly is not going to happen, then please GFS, ECM just have the atlantic win not half heartedly. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


You say that like the only options are an easterly or roaring westerlies. Whereas with arctic HP around we could end up with cold northerlies instead without the Atlantic "winning".


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
ITSY
17 January 2014 11:33:12

Worth mentioning that the Control looks like joining the Operation on the 06 GEFS suite, with the arctic high coming up from Alaska orientating nicely towards Greenland, complimenting a small amount of advection  northwards from the Atlantic.

johnm1976
17 January 2014 11:41:35
now would the winter's over brigade please refer to GFS FI and tell me it isn't a nice looking evolution?
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=300&mode=0&carte=1 

I know it won't happen that way, but there's always reasons for optimism when it's combined with this:
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=372&mode=10&carte=1 

Let's see what the ensembles look like.
Gooner
17 January 2014 11:46:05

Artic High appearing in the ENS , something more akin to Winter at the end of the month is certainly possible


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Russwirral
17 January 2014 11:48:45

I can finally say


 


Fi looks very wintry


 


weve missed these smileys havent we...


Russwirral
17 January 2014 11:53:53


 


with this forecast to happen so late in winter, i really do fear for a good early summer.  Im getting married in June, the last thing i need is Northern blocking.  Last time we had that we had a pretty much cold and very wet summer (2011?)


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