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The Beast from the East
19 January 2014 10:15:18

slightly more amplified GFS


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Quantum
19 January 2014 10:33:37

The atlantic is still the evil party here. Nothern blocking would have happened long before now if it wasn't for the canadian cyclone cannon. 


http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.1.15.2014.gif


It can't go on forever, a tripole has formed with very cold water off the canadian sea board. Soon it will be covered by sea ice, when that happens cyclogenesis will be significantly reduced. I'm seriously confident that we could see a major pattern change in early february or even slightly before. 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
tallyho_83
19 January 2014 10:51:56
I should hope so!! This can't go on forever! Some people would like a couple days of cold dry weather or snowy weather...all we get are weak ridges of high pressure for half a day before the next system of gales or heavy rain and winds etc.

Also we do not seem to have any sleet events.....not one rain/snow event....this is so rare for almost the end of January - not to see any rain turning to sleet or snow!

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Gooner
19 January 2014 10:52:52

Any idea why the models would pick up on an AH and then drop it???


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
19 January 2014 10:53:54

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011906/gfsnh-10-312.png?6


A good warming still forecast for early Feb....another straw


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Ally Pally Snowman
19 January 2014 10:58:48

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014011906/gfsnh-10-312.png?6


A good warming still forecast for early Feb....another straw>

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



It's a very good warming but its definitely a straw clutching day. Pretty much hopeless charts all round. Where has the arctic high gone? Probably the most frustrating model watching year in the Internet era.






Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Arcus
19 January 2014 11:12:00


Probably the most frustrating model watching year in the Internet era. 



Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Nah, doesn't even make into the top 10. Many more frustrating nerve shredders at closer range than this over the past 12 years.


Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
ITSY
19 January 2014 11:26:52

The strat warming perhaps offers a decent long straw clutching opportunity this morning - particularly as it would be the second such warming event of the winter, which presumably would therefore have a better chance of breaking down the Vortex. Another much longer term straw is the media hype of the declining activity of the sun, which perhaps offers a more upbeat setting for upcoming winters over the next years - though all of this is hugely uncertain. In the meanwhile, lets hope for the reappearence of our AH in coming days - I agree with Marcus, it is very odd for almost all models to suddenly pick up on that trend only for all to simultaneously drop it a day later. 

tallyho_83
19 January 2014 11:35:38


The strat warming perhaps offers a decent long straw clutching opportunity this morning - particularly as it would be the second such warming event of the winter, which presumably would therefore have a better chance of breaking down the Vortex. Another much longer term straw is the media hype of the declining activity of the sun, which perhaps offers a more upbeat setting for upcoming winters over the next years - though all of this is hugely uncertain. In the meanwhile, lets hope for the reappearence of our AH in coming days - I agree with Marcus, it is very odd for almost all models to suddenly pick up on that trend only for all to simultaneously drop it a day later. 


Originally Posted by: ITSY 


 


I thought the AZORES High is bad news if we want cold? Dont we want northern high or blocking?


 


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19 January 2014 11:39:30

What do you mean by the term "Zonal" I see it alot, but more often than not it seems to relate to the mush we're getting from the West? Is it directionally biased or pressure?
Cheers
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Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


Zonal (in terms of these discussions)  usually refers to  West to East progression of weather systems and is usuallly associated with mild, wet weather.

Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 



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Rob K
19 January 2014 11:59:08

I should hope so!! This can't go on forever! Some people would like a couple days of cold dry weather or snowy weather...all we get are weak ridges of high pressure for half a day before the next system of gales or heavy rain and winds etc.

Also we do not seem to have any sleet events.....not one rain/snow event....this is so rare for almost the end of January - not to see any rain turning to sleet or snow!

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 



Well, today and tomorrow should count as a couple of cool(ish) dry and sunny days, at least down here. Gorgeous day today and I can finally do some much needed tidying up in the garden.

PS. I think ITSY meant AH as in Arctic high on this occasion!
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The Beast from the East
19 January 2014 12:17:31

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gens-9-1-120.png?6


Some interesting GEFS members for Friday. This easterly doesnt want to die


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Gooner
19 January 2014 12:23:12

I should hope so!! This can't go on forever! Some people would like a couple days of cold dry weather or snowy weather...all we get are weak ridges of high pressure for half a day before the next system of gales or heavy rain and winds etc.

Also we do not seem to have any sleet events.....not one rain/snow event....this is so rare for almost the end of January - not to see any rain turning to sleet or snow!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



Well, today and tomorrow should count as a couple of cool(ish) dry and sunny days, at least down here. Gorgeous day today and I can finally do some much needed tidying up in the garden.

PS. I think ITSY meant AH as in Arctic high on this occasion!

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 



He did


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gooner
19 January 2014 12:24:13


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gens-9-1-120.png?6


Some interesting GEFS members for Friday. This easterly doesnt want to die


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I think we have been talking about this Easterly since Jan 1st, it seems like it anyway


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Arcus
19 January 2014 12:29:08


What do you mean by the term "Zonal" I see it alot, but more often than not it seems to relate to the mush we're getting from the West? Is it directionally biased or pressure?
Cheers
VSC

Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


Zonal (in terms of these discussions)  usually refers to  West to East progression of weather systems and is usuallly associated with mild, wet weather.


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 



Everyday is a school day for me and others that hover in the fog of mostly reading, rarely contributing, great place to come and learn about the weather.... Thanks!
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Originally Posted by: VIRTUAL STORMCHASER 


OT, but try one of the myriad resource online first. e.g.


http://weatherfaqs.org.uk/node/37



Ben,
Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire
30m asl
Charmhills
19 January 2014 12:29:33

Looking poor for coldies just unsettled and often Atlantic dominated.


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Duane.
The Beast from the East
19 January 2014 12:37:33


Looking poor for coldies just unsettled and often Atlantic dominated.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


No need to rub it in mate!


 


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Gooner
19 January 2014 12:39:19


Looking poor for coldies just unsettled and often Atlantic dominated.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Not according to TS ................apparently


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


David M Porter
19 January 2014 12:49:35


The atlantic is still the evil party here. Nothern blocking would have happened long before now if it wasn't for the canadian cyclone cannon. 


http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.1.15.2014.gif


It can't go on forever, a tripole has formed with very cold water off the canadian sea board. Soon it will be covered by sea ice, when that happens cyclogenesis will be significantly reduced. I'm seriously confident that we could see a major pattern change in early february or even slightly before. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


We can but hope Q. The strength of the vortex so far this winter has been one of the biggest problems we've had, if not the biggest, and many people have said in the past that if dark purples appear over the east of Canada and set up shop there, it is never a good sign for cold weather over here.


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Hade Edge Snowman
19 January 2014 12:50:49



Looking poor for coldies just unsettled and often Atlantic dominated.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Not according to TS ................apparently


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Not the Shafinator Marcus?!


Hade Edge Snowman
West Yorkshire
1060 feet/323 metres ASL
Jiries
19 January 2014 13:07:08


The atlantic is still the evil party here. Nothern blocking would have happened long before now if it wasn't for the canadian cyclone cannon. 


http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.1.15.2014.gif


It can't go on forever, a tripole has formed with very cold water off the canadian sea board. Soon it will be covered by sea ice, when that happens cyclogenesis will be significantly reduced. I'm seriously confident that we could see a major pattern change in early february or even slightly before. 


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


We can but hope Q. The strength of the vortex so far this winter has been one of the biggest problems we've had, if not the biggest, and many people have said in the past that if dark purples appear over the east of Canada and set up shop there, it is never a good sign for cold weather over here.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 



Yes and also causing widespread drought in SW USA with high temps daily non-stop. Something have to break at some point.
Gooner
19 January 2014 13:07:54




Looking poor for coldies just unsettled and often Atlantic dominated.


Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 


Not according to TS ................apparently


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Not the Shafinator Marcus?!


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


A mate of Speedy I believe


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Scandy 1050 MB
19 January 2014 13:16:09





Looking poor for coldies just unsettled and often Atlantic dominated.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Not according to TS ................apparently


Originally Posted by: Hade Edge Snowman 


Not the Shafinator Marcus?!


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


A mate of Speedy I believe


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Sorry mods - should be in media I know but too good not to share, big old ramp from the latest week ahead forecast - possibility of colder air getting into the South and East on Friday and rain advancing Friday night could turn to snow - JUST a possiblity but to mention it that far ahead they must have access to something we don't?

Charmhills
19 January 2014 13:18:09



Looking poor for coldies just unsettled and often Atlantic dominated.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Not according to TS ................apparently


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


More like clutching at straws!


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
nickl
19 January 2014 13:22:05

gandy asked me if i see anything wintry in the next 10/15 days and the answer is 'perhaps'.   we have some big players now entering the scene.  a highly amplified alaskan ridge coupled with some very low heights dropping into the eastern side of n america. you think upstream will be well modelled ?  add to that an arctic high which we know from experience will be poorly represented by the output. our scandi ridge (which should have gone days ago according to ncep) is still expanding west. and then the powerful jet streaks courtesy of the large thermal gradient off the eastern seaboard coming into the atlantic and distorting the azores high in differing ways depending on how the depressions enter the ocean area. add to that the general theme of the modelling to want to drop the systems se into the continent (how well have we seen that modelled this month thus far - not really) and you can come up with a myriad of solutions, all feasible.  the hip bone is connected to the thigh bone but at the moment, no one knows which is the hip, thigh, knee etc etc.


to just state that it will carry on as it has done thus far is merely playing safe.  the zonal flow in the strat is also easing back a lot which takes a westerly driver out of the equation.


oh and finally, that bloody canadian vortex - if the vortex split is persistant (and it could be for a good few days at least) then how well will it survive without any energy coming from siberia to pump it back up.  its been a dire winter thus far for those seeking proper wintry conditions. the stack is being shuffled now and there are some jokers being introduced.   


should continue to be a fascinating time to watch the nwp and how it deals with all these factors.


for starters, the gfs 00z op is an outlier from day 1 in warsaw and day 2 in berlin according to the ecm ens. if its that wrong at T24, what chance its right at T120 ???


 

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