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02 February 2014 20:51:31


It is of some concern to see ECM and JMA bringing back the Thursday/Friday system arriving across the UK having been somewhere near the Bay of Biscay.


Tomorrow's runs will be critical in terms of whether that event unfolds or not. It's the difference between 0-5mm of rain and 30-40mm of rain!


 


Troubling to see the height rises from the south beyond day 8 remaining absent on the 12z op runs. It seems like every door leading to somewhere new gets closed by something or other...


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Now supported by MetO; the Countryfile forecast put it squarely across SE England Thu night & Fri morning


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Bugglesgate
02 February 2014 21:03:12



Hi everyone. Here is tonight's overview of the outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for this evening Sunday February 2nd 2014, the text lifted from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/


snip...


Same old model guffput


...end snip


In Summary there remains little cheer for those looking for a break from this fascinating but monotonous period of sustained wet and windy disruptive weather. Over the period of tonight's output all models show various opportunities for gales and heavy rain will little relief in between rain bouts as Low pressure after Low pressure maintains the prospect of almost unprecedented Winter rainfall for 2013-14 should the next few weeks charts verify. As of this morning's output with so much emphasis on wet and windy weather from the Atlantic there remains little chance of anything remotely wintry in the way of cold and snow in the next few weeks anywhere in the UK other than in mountainous areas in excess of 2000 feet or so in the North.


Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 


Fascinating: "extremely interesting"


Monotonous: "dull, tedious, and repetitious; lacking in variety and interest."


Sorry, couldn't resist


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


Isn't it the sheer monotonousness of it that makes it interesting ? 


All extreme weather has an element of interest - although I think as far as those in flooded areas are concerned the (alleged) Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times” is applicable.


 


Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
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Chiltern Blizzard
02 February 2014 21:27:48
I agree - the very monotony that has led to these extreme conditions is in itself fascinating, though feeling a little guilty that I do find it fascinating given the suffering it's causing.
Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Osprey
02 February 2014 21:52:01

I agree - the very monotony that has led to these extreme conditions is in itself fascinating, though feeling a little guilty that I do find it fascinating given the suffering it's causing.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


It is facinating because it's not "the usual"


I'm about 4wks behind on a job because of this weather but it's nothing really... compared to the suffering it is causing others.


Still Im cofident the pendalam will swing the other way back by the end of the month (Back into drought and hosepipe bans again)


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Jive Buddy
02 February 2014 21:53:20

I used to get fascinated by monotony, but then the fascination became repetative, and I got bored with it


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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UncleAlbert
02 February 2014 21:59:48

I agree - the very monotony that has led to these extreme conditions is in itself fascinating, though feeling a little guilty that I do find it fascinating given the suffering it's causing.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


Edward Jenner found smallpox fascinating and many of us find the current models likewise.... though sadly unlike Mr Jenner we can do little but look on. 

Quantum
02 February 2014 22:38:21

In parts of N ireland and western scotland things could turn very wintry at some point. The canadian airmass is shown to be getting unusually far east. Snowy southwesterlies? 


Not any good for me, or anyone east belfast :S


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
03 February 2014 06:51:34

ECMWF is interesting.


I think we are increasingly getting cold zonality, and snow seems to be looking increasingly common especially for the west. 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gooner
03 February 2014 07:57:31

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.png


we can hope


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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The Beast from the East
03 February 2014 08:17:15


ECMWF is interesting.


I think we are increasingly getting cold zonality, and snow seems to be looking increasingly common especially for the west. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2014020300/gem-0-204.png?00


And GEM. Who knows, something could pop up out of nowwhere, at least a transient snow event


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GIBBY
03 February 2014 08:57:20

Good morning everyone. A new week a new dawn but the same old? Read on for the latest look at the outputs from GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Monday February 3rd 2014.


All models show a continuation of very unsettled and often windy weather this week as several or as many as three separate Low pressure areas are likely to affect us this week. The first today and tonight will bring a band of heavy rain slowly East to reach the East tonight followed by showers. The second will hit the SW tomorrow afternoon and sweep rain and gales NE over all areas again followed by showers. In the South there may be a further spell of rain as a small Low crosses East just to the South while the weekend returns more wind and gales as a new large Low spreads further gales and rain over the UK for next weekend. Temperatures will often be close to average but it may feel rather chilly at times.


GFS changes nothing through the lower resolution portion of it's run with further rain and strong winds at times in winds from between South and West before they turn Northerly late in the run as a temporary feature.


The GFS Ensembles maintain the pattern as before wind wild and wet weather at times as winds remain strong and from the West or SW with Atlantic Low pressure delivering rain and strong winds to all areas all too frequently.


UKMO today shows the end of next weekend as very windy with a deep Low over Scotland next Sunday with gale force westerly winds driving showers and longer spells of rain Eastwards very quickly in the flow. Some of the showers could fall as snow on northern hills.


GEM is very similar next weekend, spiraling up yet more depressions to the NW and West in the early days of the following week with strong Westerly winds backing Southerly ahead of more frontal rain especially in the West long before the end of the run.


NAVGEM shows a Low pressure complex over and around the British Isles towards the end of it's run with rain and showers scattered about nationwide with winds somewhat lighter due to the slacker nature of isobars but still biased towards the west and SW.


ECM today also shows a similar setup with deep Low pressure over Scotland at the end of next weekend followed by further depressions lined up over the Atlantic each bringing their attendant bad weather especially towards the West and SW.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts show the continuing theme of Low pressure to the WNW of the UK and a broad and unstable WSW flow likely to lie across the British Isles with showers or longer spells of rain across all areas with relatively mild SW winds.


The Jet Stream continues unabated in it's path across the Atlantic and over Southern Britain or France for the foreseeable future.


In Summary it's more of the same this morning with all models continuing to programme the theme of unsettled and often wet and windy weather throughout their outputs. Differences between the models are shown but the overall message indicated by the models today is still a very Atlantic based and windy WSW pattern for some considerable time yet.


Martin G
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ARTzeman
03 February 2014 09:32:02

Thank You Martin. ThumpUp


Would not be surprised for a repeat of this next week... 






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nouska
03 February 2014 09:56:28
http://images.meteociel.fr/im/8772/gfsnh-0-192_nka3.png  - is every bit as unusual as the synoptics of Dec 2010. In this instance the Polar airmass is heavily modified by a long track over warm Atlantic waters rather than a more direct route over northern ice. All the elements of recent winters are still in evidence (HLB and southerly tracking jet stream)- only difference, the angle of attack is not favourable for W. European cold.
nsrobins
03 February 2014 10:13:51
http://images.meteociel.fr/im/8772/gfsnh-0-192_nka3.png  - is every bit as unusual as the synoptics of Dec 2010. In this instance the Polar airmass is heavily modified by a long track over warm Atlantic waters rather than a more direct route over northern ice. All the elements of recent winters are still in evidence (HLB and southerly tracking jet stream)- only difference, the angle of attack is not favourable for W. European cold.


I sympathise with your assessment, but the issue with rPm is that in most cases however cold the source and however subdued the ssts, the modification resulting from a long sea passage will almost always tip the parameters away from low level snowfall. The wet-bulb potentials of moderated mixed polar air will hardly ever favour snow to sea level. Higher elevations of course will catch wintry ppn but in my experience any main vector south of west will not deliver to the majority of lowland UK.

All the time the mean trough sits where it is to the west of Scotland there is little chance of substantial wintry weather, but I stand to be corrected and no doubt someone will show an example of an historic contradiction.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Maunder Minimum
03 February 2014 10:14:30
http://images.meteociel.fr/im/8772/gfsnh-0-192_nka3.png  - is every bit as unusual as the synoptics of Dec 2010. In this instance the Polar airmass is heavily modified by a long track over warm Atlantic waters rather than a more direct route over northern ice. All the elements of recent winters are still in evidence (HLB and southerly tracking jet stream)- only difference, the angle of attack is not favourable for W. European cold.


It is measurably cooling the north Atlantic however, which will feed back into weather synoptics at some point, one way or another.


New world order coming.
Charmhills
03 February 2014 10:24:31

Still looking very unsettled as far as the eye can see though rainfall this week seems to have downgraded somewhat apart from Wednesday and Saturday and thereafter that is.


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Gooner
03 February 2014 11:17:55

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020306/gfsnh-0-54.png?6


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020306/gfsnh-0-126.png?6


A Couple of deep lows coming onto the UK....woeful


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Sevendust
03 February 2014 11:58:16


Still looking very unsettled as far as the eye can see though rainfall this week seems to have downgraded somewhat apart from Wednesday and Saturday and thereafter that is.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Thursdays low could well give the SE quite a soaking especially as it will entrain some warm air on its eastern flank.


Also bear in mind the continuing problem of heavy convective rainfall in between the rainbands which has been a real issue for the south all winter with rpm airstreams over warm seas

Stormchaser
03 February 2014 12:30:17



Still looking very unsettled as far as the eye can see though rainfall this week seems to have downgraded somewhat apart from Wednesday and Saturday and thereafter that is.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Thursdays low could well give the SE quite a soaking especially as it will entrain some warm air on its eastern flank.


Also bear in mind the continuing problem of heavy convective rainfall in between the rainbands which has been a real issue for the south all winter with rpm airstreams over warm seas


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Thankfully that issue of frequent convective rainfall has been more or less absent in the Solent region during the recent westerlies, but southwesterlies such as will be with us tomorrow and Wednesday are a very different matter... anticipating some more notable accumulations from those, with WRF and EURO-4 delivering an extra 5-10mm compared with the GFS version of events that only features limited convection.


 


Thursday sees a band of showers moving slowly up into the south according to WRF - generated by the displacement of airmass associated with the small low pressure system moving through the Channel.


It seems like ECM may be the only run that could bring the main mass of rain across the south, with the others taking it either in the Channel or across France - a bullet dodged? If so, it appears to be just one of many, many rounds, and we'll struggle to avoid most of them it seems 


 


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Hungry Tiger
03 February 2014 14:29:06




Still looking very unsettled as far as the eye can see though rainfall this week seems to have downgraded somewhat apart from Wednesday and Saturday and thereafter that is.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Thursdays low could well give the SE quite a soaking especially as it will entrain some warm air on its eastern flank.


Also bear in mind the continuing problem of heavy convective rainfall in between the rainbands which has been a real issue for the south all winter with rpm airstreams over warm seas


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Thankfully that issue of frequent convective rainfall has been more or less absent in the Solent region during the recent westerlies, but southwesterlies such as will be with us tomorrow and Wednesday are a very different matter... anticipating some more notable accumulations from those, with WRF and EURO-4 delivering an extra 5-10mm compared with the GFS version of events that only features limited convection.


 


Thursday sees a band of showers moving slowly up into the south according to WRF - generated by the displacement of airmass associated with the small low pressure system moving through the Channel.


It seems like ECM may be the only run that could bring the main mass of rain across the south, with the others taking it either in the Channel or across France - a bullet dodged? If so, it appears to be just one of many, many rounds, and we'll struggle to avoid most of them it seems 


 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Excellent description of the situation there.


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nsrobins
03 February 2014 16:13:45



Still looking very unsettled as far as the eye can see though rainfall this week seems to have downgraded somewhat apart from Wednesday and Saturday and thereafter that is.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Thursdays low could well give the SE quite a soaking especially as it will entrain some warm air on its eastern flank.


Also bear in mind the continuing problem of heavy convective rainfall in between the rainbands which has been a real issue for the south all winter with rpm airstreams over warm seas


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


Thankfully that issue of frequent convective rainfall has been more or less absent in the Solent region during the recent westerlies, but southwesterlies such as will be with us tomorrow and Wednesday are a very different matter... anticipating some more notable accumulations from those, with WRF and EURO-4 delivering an extra 5-10mm compared with the GFS version of events that only features limited convection.


 


Thursday sees a band of showers moving slowly up into the south according to WRF - generated by the displacement of airmass associated with the small low pressure system moving through the Channel.


It seems like ECM may be the only run that could bring the main mass of rain across the south, with the others taking it either in the Channel or across France - a bullet dodged? If so, it appears to be just one of many, many rounds, and we'll struggle to avoid most of them it seems 


 

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



Was this not the low that 'some' models forecast to bring snow to the south a few days ago? Umm. :)


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
ITSY
03 February 2014 16:32:17

GFS brings back the heavy rain for the South and East. Parts of central/western East Anglia and the home counties could see 30mms quite widely in a short space of time, perhaps more locally or over more exposed parts, so that's a big worry for an already saturated area. I guess the consolation if it does happen is that it isn't over the SW - although thats not much comfort given that everywhere is now modelled to see rain wednesday, and then again saturday after the Friday 'event'. When will it end?

Gavin P
03 February 2014 17:07:33

Hi all,


Have just released the February Month AHEAD fORECAST;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Above averagetemperatures and rainfall expected marking an end to this exceptionally wet and mild "winter"


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Scandy 1050 MB
03 February 2014 17:24:52


Hi all,


Have just released the February Month AHEAD fORECAST;


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Above averagetemperatures and rainfall expected marking an end to this exceptionally wet and mild "winter"


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Thanks Gavin, hope you feel better too. 


Looks like a mild February is the most likely outcome based on this then and I wouldn't be surprised when the Bejing model does update if it sides with the CFS, if it's right about March though could be a pleasant start to Spring.

Charmhills
03 February 2014 17:25:46


GFS brings back the heavy rain for the South and East. Parts of central/western East Anglia and the home counties could see 30mms quite widely in a short space of time, perhaps more locally or over more exposed parts, so that's a big worry for an already saturated area. I guess the consolation if it does happen is that it isn't over the SW - although thats not much comfort given that everywhere is now modelled to see rain wednesday, and then again saturday after the Friday 'event'. When will it end?


Originally Posted by: ITSY 


GFS does bring that new low Thursday night and into Friday much further north.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn781.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn841.png


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn901.png


The rest of the GFS 12z is very unsettled throughout!


 


 


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