World Cup 2014· Page 23

NickR
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15 June 2014 14:07:36

#551

Woy has been on some of the good stuff:

"It was undoubtedly the best I have seen us play, as a team, in my time with them," said Hodgson.

Originally Posted by: DEW

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Originally Posted by: Matty H

Well, I suppose it's better than 0-0 against Honduras. And he's not got the personality for the 'hairdryer' approach - but does he realise that substance, in the shape of winning results, is what counts , and style gets no credit.

Do you really need to ask that question? I mean, does ANYONE think that he was satisfied with its just being a good performance or doubt that he knows full well that winning is what counts?

All he did was state that it was a good performance, which should give us confidence. Do you honestly think that it would have been better management to have come out and said "we lost, which is awful, and that really means we're in trouble. Yes it was a good performance, but that means nothing, and the lads should be completely despondent about gettint nothing of any value from this game"?

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NickR
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15 June 2014 14:10:14

#552

I think the Hodgson quote is exactly what he needed to say. Personally I agree it is the best performance under his tenure, so most of all he needs to communicate to his players that they put in a good game and pick up what I suspect will be some disappointed lads.

When I play football in my local league, rather than hammer our goalie for letting in a goal with a flap (which happens allthe time), we tell him it happens and to pick himself up. Whilst it is not the high pressure, everything at stake game of the premier league or world cup, it is still the same principle. There's some young lads in that dressing room who put in a shift (e.g. Sterling) who need to carry forward some confidence and positives into the Uruguay game. Simples. They don't need the fear of failure hanging over them.

As for Rooney, he's not in my preferred XI but I'll leave the knives in the drawer until after the next game or two. Afterall, by all reports he's been putting in a lot of extra training which suggests this world cup does mean something to him.

Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko

Exactly. Some of the armchair pundits in here appear to be looking for any old excuse to criticise and are failing to understand that how a manager reacts to a defeat like this has a bearing on the team's morale and chances going forward.

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SEMerc
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15 June 2014 14:21:55

#553

Woy has been on some of the good stuff:

"It was undoubtedly the best I have seen us play, as a team, in my time with them," said Hodgson.

Originally Posted by: DEW

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Originally Posted by: Matty H

Well, I suppose it's better than 0-0 against Honduras. And he's not got the personality for the 'hairdryer' approach - but does he realise that substance, in the shape of winning results, is what counts , and style gets no credit.

I'm sure he does. I'm pretty certain that Woy has also drawn the conclusion, rather late in the day, that we don't have a back four that's good enough to grind out a narrow win, or bore draw, even if we decided to park the bus.

Matty H
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15 June 2014 15:09:14

#554

Passing - thats what italy do. defending and passing. Given that uruguay lost, i think it was a worthwhile gamble to play a more expansive side and risk defeat. We have nothing to fear from uruguay if we play the same way and in the cooler temps of sao paulo, that will be possible, i hope last night didnt take too much out of us. very difficult to judge the second period as they were ahead early and happy to sit back and defend thereafter. thats what they do - defend and pass well! Matty,you do need to realise the limitations of our squad. whilst we have pace and look good going forward, our players are not good at doing the things you admire in the italians. (In comparison). I am not too depressed - if we cant beat uruguay then we dont deserve to get out of the group anyway. (Was i watching a different game re rooney's chance? he had a defender infront of him and his decision to go near post was the only one that would probably have gone in. Hardly an 'open goal')

Originally Posted by: bledur

it is no good trying to emulate the italian style of play . we need to play attacking aggessive style which suits the players . but most of all you have to finish clinically. too many misses and its goodnight.

Originally Posted by: Matty H

This.

Originally Posted by: bledur

what?

Originally Posted by: nickl

I was agreeing with you 🙄

I think we all understand a win is essential now against Uruguay. So here we are again in the familiar position of playing catchup. No doubt the Uruguay that looked so poor against Costa Rica of all nations yesterday will suddenly look like world champions against us.

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NickR
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15 June 2014 15:13:27

#555

Uruguay are NOT a strong team, and I have no idea why they were being bigged up so much in the run up to the WC. Is it because of what they did 4 years ago? The fact is they barely scraped through qualifying, having to go through a play-off against Jordan to make it. They were woeful in many qualifying games.

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SEMerc
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15 June 2014 15:23:07

#556

Uruguay are NOT a strong team, and I have no idea why they were being bigged up so much in the run up to the WC. Is it because of what they did 4 years ago? The fact is they barely scraped through qualifying, having to go through a play-off against Jordan to make it. They were woeful in many qualifying games.

Originally Posted by: NickR

As I said yesterday.

"Well first of all we don't know if Suarez is match fit. Even if Suarez is, Forlan is likely past his best anyway.

More importantly, any team playing Lugano in defence can be got at. Lugano can't even get into the West Brom team F.F.S.

He's as slow as a cart horse and makes Michael Dawson look like a white version of Usain Bolt."

sriram
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15 June 2014 15:27:41

#557

England will beat Uruguay as long as we we sort out our defenders - going forward we are fine and on a different day we could have scored a couple against Italy. There is a situation where a draw v Uruguay might be enough if we beat Costa Rica - if Uruguay beat Italy in their last game then England and Uruguay will be on 4 points - as the result of the England and Uruguay would have been a draw it could come down to goal difference. A draw v Uruguay and a win v Costa Rica looks like a likely outcome and could well be enough - I would say Uruguay beating Italy is unlikely

All is not lost - in 1990 we did not beat Ireland in the opening game and reached the semis, in 1986 lost to Portugal and reached the QF and in 2002 did not beat Sweden and reached the QF

So a lot more twists and turns to follow for sure

Edited by user 15 June 2014 15:30:42 | Reason: Edit

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Lumi-Ukko
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15 June 2014 15:29:25

#558

I think the Italy England result can be better put into context after all the Group D games are done (stating the obvious). Afterall, we may beat Uruguay and the Italians tie or lose to them. Then how do we see yesterdays result?

Edited by user 15 June 2014 15:32:14 | Reason: Not specified

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SEMerc
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15 June 2014 15:35:07

#559

England will beat Uruguay as long as we we sort out our defenders - going forward we are fine and on a different day we could have scored a couple against Italy. There is a situation where a draw v Uruguay might be enough if we beat Costa Rica - if Uruguay beat Italy in their last game then England and Uruguay will be on 4 points - as the result of the England and Uruguay would have been a draw it could come down to goal difference. A draw v Uruguay and a win v Costa Rica looks like a likely outcome and could well be enough - I would say Uruguay beating Italy is unlikely All is not lost - in 1990 we did not beat Ireland in the opening game and reached the semis, in 1986 lost to Portugal and reached the QF and in 2002 did not beat Sweden and reached the QF So a lot more twists and turns to follow for sure

Originally Posted by: sriram

Since 1998 (when the number of teams was expanded to 32)

No of teams losing first match, yet not reaching the Round of 16 = 42

No of teams losing first match, yet reaching the round of 16 = 4.

You can draw your own conclusions.

westv
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15 June 2014 15:52:30

#560

England will beat Uruguay as long as we we sort out our defenders - going forward we are fine and on a different day we could have scored a couple against Italy. There is a situation where a draw v Uruguay might be enough if we beat Costa Rica - if Uruguay beat Italy in their last game then England and Uruguay will be on 4 points - as the result of the England and Uruguay would have been a draw it could come down to goal difference. A draw v Uruguay and a win v Costa Rica looks like a likely outcome and could well be enough - I would say Uruguay beating Italy is unlikely All is not lost - in 1990 we did not beat Ireland in the opening game and reached the semis, in 1986 lost to Portugal and reached the QF and in 2002 did not beat Sweden and reached the QF So a lot more twists and turns to follow for sure

Originally Posted by: SEMerc

Since 1998 (when the number of teams was expanded to 32)

No of teams losing first match, yet not reaching the Round of 16 = 42

No of teams losing first match, yet reaching the round of 16 = 4.

You can draw your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by: sriram

Surely the teams involved is relevant too?

At least it will be mild!

SEMerc
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15 June 2014 15:54:30

#561

England will beat Uruguay as long as we we sort out our defenders - going forward we are fine and on a different day we could have scored a couple against Italy. There is a situation where a draw v Uruguay might be enough if we beat Costa Rica - if Uruguay beat Italy in their last game then England and Uruguay will be on 4 points - as the result of the England and Uruguay would have been a draw it could come down to goal difference. A draw v Uruguay and a win v Costa Rica looks like a likely outcome and could well be enough - I would say Uruguay beating Italy is unlikely All is not lost - in 1990 we did not beat Ireland in the opening game and reached the semis, in 1986 lost to Portugal and reached the QF and in 2002 did not beat Sweden and reached the QF So a lot more twists and turns to follow for sure

Originally Posted by: westv

Since 1998 (when the number of teams was expanded to 32)

No of teams losing first match, yet not reaching the Round of 16 = 42

No of teams losing first match, yet reaching the round of 16 = 4.

You can draw your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by: SEMerc

Surely the teams involved is relevant too?

Originally Posted by: sriram

Yep, the good ones get through.

David M Porter
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15 June 2014 16:08:42

#562

Uruguay are NOT a strong team, and I have no idea why they were being bigged up so much in the run up to the WC. Is it because of what they did 4 years ago? The fact is they barely scraped through qualifying, having to go through a play-off against Jordan to make it. They were woeful in many qualifying games.

Originally Posted by: NickR

I think a lot of that is probably due to the hype, if we can call it that, surrounding Luis Suarez. For me he is the heartbeat of that Uruguay team. If he is taken out of the equation, they are a much lesser force IMO.

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SEMerc
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15 June 2014 16:11:04

#563

Uruguay are NOT a strong team, and I have no idea why they were being bigged up so much in the run up to the WC. Is it because of what they did 4 years ago? The fact is they barely scraped through qualifying, having to go through a play-off against Jordan to make it. They were woeful in many qualifying games.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

I think a lot of that is probably due to the hype, if we can call it that, surrounding Luis Suarez. For me he is the heartbeat of that Uruguay team. If he is taken out of the equation, they are a much lesser force IMO.

Originally Posted by: NickR

Not put a hex on it, but Cavani is also off form too.

WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus
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15 June 2014 16:12:40

#564

Uruguay are NOT a strong team, and I have no idea why they were being bigged up so much in the run up to the WC. Is it because of what they did 4 years ago? The fact is they barely scraped through qualifying, having to go through a play-off against Jordan to make it. They were woeful in many qualifying games.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter

I think a lot of that is probably due to the hype, if we can call it that, surrounding Luis Suarez. For me he is the heartbeat of that Uruguay team. If he is taken out of the equation, they are a much lesser force IMO.

Originally Posted by: NickR

Absolutely. England can be glad that Diego Lugano is in Uruguay's defence.

My sweepstake team is in action now, the mighty Ecuador! I have Sash! playing in the background to spur my boys on.

Malcolm

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David M Porter
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15 June 2014 16:16:35

#565

England will beat Uruguay as long as we we sort out our defenders - going forward we are fine and on a different day we could have scored a couple against Italy. There is a situation where a draw v Uruguay might be enough if we beat Costa Rica - if Uruguay beat Italy in their last game then England and Uruguay will be on 4 points - as the result of the England and Uruguay would have been a draw it could come down to goal difference. A draw v Uruguay and a win v Costa Rica looks like a likely outcome and could well be enough - I would say Uruguay beating Italy is unlikely All is not lost - in 1990 we did not beat Ireland in the opening game and reached the semis, in 1986 lost to Portugal and reached the QF and in 2002 did not beat Sweden and reached the QF So a lot more twists and turns to follow for sure

Originally Posted by: sriram

The difference in 1986 and 1990 was that then, the four best third-placed teams also qualified from their group along with those finishing in 1st & 2nd; this was stopped in 1998 when the number of teams was increased to 32 and only those finishing 1st and 2nd went through. Prior to then, teams that lost their first match in their group had more breathing space when it came to recovering from a poor start.

As a footnote, the Italians in 1982 didn't win ANY of their first round group games, yet still progressed and ended up winning the tournament. I reckon the chances of the same thing happening now must be considerably less.

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Ally Pally Snowman
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15 June 2014 18:51:48

#566

Some stats that might cheer up the disillusioned even Matty!

From Gary Lineker twitter via Opta

England have had more shots on goal than any team so far in this World Cup.

Passing accuracy 2nd only behind Italy ahead of Spain Brazil Holland.

Passing accuracy in oppositions half 1st out of all teams played so far.

Obviously we still lost the match but these are encouraging signs.

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SEMerc
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15 June 2014 19:36:56

#567

I'm still trying to figure out which of the following Ferguson decisions was more daft.

1- Not providing sufficient inducement for Pogba to remain at Old Trafford.

2- Helping to name Gollum as his sucessor.

Answers on a postcard.

Player to watch for France is Griezmann. Clubs all over Europe will be after him.

SEMerc
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15 June 2014 19:47:45

#568

You have to laugh, Pogba, who shouldn't have been on the pitch gets fouled by Palicios, who shouldn't have been on the pitch.

1-0 France.

SEMerc
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15 June 2014 20:11:19

#569

It's official, Jonathan Pearce is bonkers. He should go back to 'Robot Wars'.

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Matty H
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15 June 2014 20:41:45

#570

Goal-line technology 👍

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WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus
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15 June 2014 20:46:23

#571

Goal-line technology 👍

Originally Posted by: Matty H

The commentators were making a big deal out of nothing, like the technology was somehow wrong or dodgy for showing two different incidents. Clear goal after it hit the post, nothing else to add.

Malcolm

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