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Brian Gaze
18 June 2014 20:57:06

Looks like the waiters are out. 

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SEMerc
18 June 2014 20:57:38

That performance from Chile was proper total football - and a lot of it can be put down to Bielsa when he managed Chile.

WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus
18 June 2014 21:10:21
I thought I was unlucky drawing Ecuador in my sweepstake. Could've been a lot worse...
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Arcus
18 June 2014 21:25:24


That performance from Chile was proper total football - and a lot of it can be put down to Bielsa when he managed Chile.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Yes, lest it gets lost in all the hoo-ha about Spain going out, that was an excellent performance by Chile in terms of adapting their approach in the second half.


It's another "France" with regard to Spain's exit. Too many players who have already been-there-done-that and got the '000s per week salary, so the desire to perform in the World Cup Shop Window isn't there. An afflication that has done England down as well in previous comptetions.


I stand by my Chile/Comlumbia double for the latter stages.

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Saint Snow
18 June 2014 21:25:50

End of an era for Spain. Surely now del Bosque must go, and someone new come it to begin the process of fading out the players who have been central to Spain's success, but now seem past it.


Unlike most, it would seem, I've no animosity toward Spain, nor the style of football that's served them well in recent years.


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18 June 2014 21:29:39



That performance from Chile was proper total football - and a lot of it can be put down to Bielsa when he managed Chile.


Originally Posted by: Arcus 


Yes, lest it gets lost in all the hoo-ha about Spain going out, that was an excellent performance by Chile in terms of adapting their approach in the second half.


It's another "France" with regard to Spain's exit. Too many players who have already been-there-done-that and got the '000s per week salary, so the desire to perform in the World Cup Shop Window isn't there. An afflication that has done England down as well in previous comptetions.


I stand by my Chile/Comlumbia double for the latter stages.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


Indeed, and credit where it's due as Spain had dominated international football since 2008.

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SEMerc
18 June 2014 21:34:57


End of an era for Spain. Surely now del Bosque must go, and someone new come it to begin the process of fading out the players who have been central to Spain's success, but now seem past it.


Unlike most, it would seem, I've no animosity toward Spain, nor the style of football that's served them well in recent years.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


It served them well indeed. Unfortunately it didn't serve the poor sods watching them.


Unfortunately, I don't think it's the end of the tippy tappy s.h.i.t.e era, because I fear the waiters will lose patience with the new system of Costa up top and revert back to the old 'false nine' mentality.


Contrast Spain's style with that of Chile under Bielsa. Thankfully, that tradition has been maintained with the present team.


It may have been madcap but the 3-3-1-3 set-up under Bielsa was exciting to watch.

future_is_orange
18 June 2014 22:04:19
Lol .. Love it , Spanish out as predicted
future_is_orange
18 June 2014 22:04:57
Medlock where r u
Gooner
18 June 2014 22:07:01

Brazil will play Chile or Holland in the 2nd round then. Can't see them beating either.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Brazil will have to up their game if they are to stay in the WC

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Gooner
18 June 2014 22:09:14



End of an era for Spain. Surely now del Bosque must go, and someone new come it to begin the process of fading out the players who have been central to Spain's success, but now seem past it.


Unlike most, it would seem, I've no animosity toward Spain, nor the style of football that's served them well in recent years.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


It served them well indeed. Unfortunately it didn't serve the poor sods watching them.


Unfortunately, I don't think it's the end of the tippy tappy s.h.i.t.e era, because I fear the waiters will lose patience with the new system of Costa up top and revert back to the old 'false nine' mentality.


Contrast Spain's style with that of Chile under Bielsa. Thankfully, that tradition has been maintained with the present team.


It may have been madcap but the 3-3-1-3 set-up under Bielsa was exciting to watch.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I agree, Costa just doesnt fit into the Spain way, his appearances will be limited IMO, Chelsea fans must be wondering if they have done the right thing also, he lacks pace for sure . Most defenders in the PL wont be too worried about facing him

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18 June 2014 22:11:04

Medlock where r u

Originally Posted by: future_is_orange 


Here lol did I say they would definitely win the whole thing? nah. Perhaps you should read my posts carefully in the future as you seem to forget things  

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SEMerc
18 June 2014 22:23:29




End of an era for Spain. Surely now del Bosque must go, and someone new come it to begin the process of fading out the players who have been central to Spain's success, but now seem past it.


Unlike most, it would seem, I've no animosity toward Spain, nor the style of football that's served them well in recent years.


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


It served them well indeed. Unfortunately it didn't serve the poor sods watching them.


Unfortunately, I don't think it's the end of the tippy tappy s.h.i.t.e era, because I fear the waiters will lose patience with the new system of Costa up top and revert back to the old 'false nine' mentality.


Contrast Spain's style with that of Chile under Bielsa. Thankfully, that tradition has been maintained with the present team.


It may have been madcap but the 3-3-1-3 set-up under Bielsa was exciting to watch.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I agree, Costa just doesnt fit into the Spain way, his appearances will be limited IMO, Chelsea fans must be wondering if they have done the right thing also, he lacks pace for sure . Most defenders in the PL wont be too worried about facing him


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


What was hilarious was that the former tippy tappy s.h.i.t.e world champions were facing a Chliean defence that included two players from relegated clubs (Cardiff and Osasuna) and a Nottingham Forest reject. And they say managers aren't that important when you send the players out on the pitch? Yeh right.


EDIT: If there is one match I'd love to see it would have to be Chile vs Mexico.

Matty H
18 June 2014 22:41:50

End of an era for Spain. Surely now del Bosque must go, and someone new come it to begin the process of fading out the players who have been central to Spain's success, but now seem past it.
Unlike most, it would seem, I've no animosity toward Spain, nor the style of football that's served them well in recent years.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Agree with this. It's the spectacular fall from such a height that's amazed me. They have been completely done over in both games. To say they are a shadow of their former selves is an understatement. And what's coming through? Spain to return back to the doldrums where they spent the first two decades of my life?
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schmee
18 June 2014 22:43:36
Spain out !!!. Cameroon are having a mare. Still only 1-0 down to Croatia. 10 man Cameroons keeper has been busy.
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Matty H
18 June 2014 22:46:25

RIP Tiki Taka.

Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


Tiki-taka is dead and buried.

Originally Posted by: WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus 



Grass roots FA typically a decade late to the party. This is the doctrine they've been drilling into their grass roots coaches for the last several years.. Back to the drawing board.
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Matty H
18 June 2014 22:54:04
Henry:

Thierry Henry: "I've been in that position with France and it's not fun. Spain gave us so much pleasure, you feel sorry for them and sad."



No, you do, and it was just as funny - no - more so, when it happened to France.
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Lumi-Ukko
18 June 2014 23:50:16

RIP Tiki Taka.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Tiki-taka is dead and buried.

Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 

Grass roots FA typically a decade late to the party. This is the doctrine they've been drilling into their grass roots coaches for the last several years.. Back to the drawing board.

Originally Posted by: WanderingLonelyAsACumulonimbusIncus 

Thank goodness we haven't started playing like that yet...hopefully the Premier League coaches will drill it out of them </end tongue in cheek>

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Lumi-Ukko
19 June 2014 00:08:29

Cameroon fairly shocking in that match. Looks like Brazil and the winner of Croatia/Mexico game from that group, I just cannot see Cameroon winning their tie with Brazil.


Big game tomorrow then, Uruguay versus England.  No surprises for team, it will be same XI that started against Italy with Rooney moved central, Welbeck left, and Sterling right.  Outside chance Lallana plays instead of Welbeck but I don't see it.  Uruguay have declared Suarez fit (even if I don't believe that he is 100%).  Hope we have a strong ref as we will have to put up with his antics of diving should he play.  Anyone's game, and even if we lose, we are not out of it if Italy beat Costa Rica (and Italy beat Uruguay and we beat Costa Rica in the last game), but I'd hate to see it coming down to a bottom-clencher like that.  If Costa Rica win against Italy and we lose to Urineguay, then Roy's boys can start packing for home.


I have to watch the game streamed on my android phone which is annoying. Part tempted to ignore all media until I get home and then watch the replay but you can bet that I'll somehow find out the score inadvertantly.  Good day for a sickie? 

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SEMerc
19 June 2014 00:21:59


Cameroon fairly shocking in that match. Looks like Brazil and the winner of Croatia/Mexico game from that group, I just cannot see Cameroon winning their tie with Brazil.


Big game tomorrow then, Uruguay versus England.  No surprises for team, it will be same XI that started against Italy with Rooney moved central, Welbeck left, and Sterling right.  Outside chance Lallana plays instead of Welbeck but I don't see it.  Uruguay have declared Suarez fit (even if I don't believe that he is 100%).  Hope we have a strong ref as we will have to put up with his antics of diving should he play.  Anyone's game, and even if we lose, we are not out of it if Italy beat Costa Rica (and Italy beat Uruguay and we beat Costa Rica in the last game), but I'd hate to see it coming down to a bottom-clencher like that.  If Costa Rica win against Italy and we lose to Urineguay, then Roy's boys can start packing for home.


I have to watch the game streamed on my android phone which is annoying. Part tempted to ignore all media until I get home and then watch the replay but you can bet that I'll somehow find out the score inadvertantly.  Good day for a sickie? 


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


Pretty much sums it up.


I can see Mexico beating Croatia, because Croatia are dodgy defensively in front of the back four. I haven't been that impressed with Croatia.


Song's sending off pretty much finished the game off as a spectacle. He'd kept Modric quiet to that point.

SEMerc
19 June 2014 00:34:30

Lots of assumptions but................


Assuming we beat Uruguay and Costa Rica and the Italians beat Costa Rica and Uruguay, so that we finish second in the group our next opponent would likely be Colombia or Ivory Coast. I'd take either. 

Lumi-Ukko
19 June 2014 00:59:40


Lots of assumptions but................


Assuming we beat Uruguay and Costa Rica and the Italians beat Costa Rica and Uruguay, so that we finish second in the group our next opponent would likely be Colombia or Ivory Coast. I'd take either. 


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


I'd take that too. Columbia - especially with all the practice against South American teams of late; Ivory Coast - unpredictable but on African teams showing so far, nothing to fear.

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SEMerc
19 June 2014 01:17:17



Lots of assumptions but................


Assuming we beat Uruguay and Costa Rica and the Italians beat Costa Rica and Uruguay, so that we finish second in the group our next opponent would likely be Colombia or Ivory Coast. I'd take either. 


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


I'd take that too. Columbia - especially with all the practice against South American teams of late; Ivory Coast - unpredictable but on African teams showing so far, nothing to fear.


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


One piece of bad news for England though, Lugano's out injured for Thursday night's game. I was looking forward to seeing that old carthorse in the heart of the Uruguayan defence.

SydneyonTees
19 June 2014 02:36:38


Cameroon fairly shocking in that match. Looks like Brazil and the winner of Croatia/Mexico game from that group, I just cannot see Cameroon winning their tie with Brazil.


Big game tomorrow then, Uruguay versus England.  No surprises for team, it will be same XI that started against Italy with Rooney moved central, Welbeck left, and Sterling right.  Outside chance Lallana plays instead of Welbeck but I don't see it.  Uruguay have declared Suarez fit (even if I don't believe that he is 100%).  Hope we have a strong ref as we will have to put up with his antics of diving should he play.  Anyone's game, and even if we lose, we are not out of it if Italy beat Costa Rica (and Italy beat Uruguay and we beat Costa Rica in the last game), but I'd hate to see it coming down to a bottom-clencher like that.  If Costa Rica win against Italy and we lose to Urineguay, then Roy's boys can start packing for home.


I have to watch the game streamed on my android phone which is annoying. Part tempted to ignore all media until I get home and then watch the replay but you can bet that I'll somehow find out the score inadvertantly.  Good day for a sickie? 


Originally Posted by: Lumi-Ukko 


 


lol reminds me of that episode of 'whatever happened to the likely lads' when they spend the whole episode trying to avoid the England result so they can watch the replay later .............they failed  


That team sound about right for England I would think. I think if we get beaten tomorrow we will go out, couldn't see the other results falling our way to get us through. If we draw and Italy beat Costa Rica however then it is all still to play for in the final game.


I think Italy v Costa Rica kicks off first so we will know a bit more about what is required by the time out game comes around.


My prediction -


Uruguay 1 - 1 England. I think it coud close and I can see Uruguay scoring first and then trying to frustrate us. If Italy beat Costa Rica this result wouldn't be a disaster.

Matty H
19 June 2014 05:40:49

Lots of assumptions but................
Assuming we beat Uruguay and Costa Rica and the Italians beat Costa Rica and Uruguay, so that we finish second in the group our next opponent would likely be Colombia or Ivory Coast. I'd take either.UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: SEMerc 



Aye, although I genuinely can't see us winning tonight. Draw at best, and I think Costa Rica will beat us. Hopefully I'm wrong this time. As long as we lose playing proactive football then I don't think many will mind or blame Woy. Most of us were under no illusions as to the squads shortcomings, and if they can eek out a win tonight then who knows? Anything is better than the defensive rubbish < extra time < pens we've had in the last few tournaments.
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