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Quantum
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13 July 2014 18:32:36

Looks like this sort of thread is warrented. As far as I'm aware (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), we haven't reached 30C yet, which is quite odd given that summer so far hasn't exactly been cold. Its very likely we will reach 30C somewhere this week (probably thursday onwards), so a high temp thread seems appropiate. Incidently CAPE rises by the end of the week too, so we will probably see some more thunderstorm activity in the south and east.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
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13 July 2014 22:31:03
I think 30C will be hit by Wed, somewhere in the SE (probably Heathrow, St James's Park, Northolt or Gravesend).

Most intriguingly I get the feeling we may have embarked on a long run of days where somewhere in the country hits 25C. So far I think 3 days and counting.
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ARTzeman
14 July 2014 07:42:22

Could have highish  temps until at least Saturday .With a change on Friday. May be precipitation on Friday.






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vince
14 July 2014 07:45:51
90f but thats very warm to some peoples musings ..lol... i would love to know hot is
idj20
14 July 2014 10:10:16

A cold lover producing a heat-related thread, now that's a new one.

When I did my Cloud Master forecast this morning, I went for something like 25 C to 28 C widely across the South East (including Kent) as we wear onto the second half of this week. I should imagine a few favoured hot spots may just about touch 29 C or even 30 C at some point on Thursday or Friday but I guess it depends how quickly the Atlantic stuff does want to muscle back in again and it'll all be in the wind direction.
   And of course, we have to knock a few degrees off around south-facing coastal areas and towards the far East end of Kent and East Anglia. 

But for now, I never thought I'd find myself saying this but I'm glad that it does appear that Summer has finally caught on at this end after a dismal start to "High Summer".


 


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Stormchaser
15 July 2014 08:40:41

Sometimes I can't fathom what GFS gets up to; the 00z run suddenly dropped todays maximum temperatures by a couple of degrees, yet the cloud was showing more signs of breaking up than expected, which implies higher maximums, not lower!


It's already past 20*C in Reading and back in West Hants, when both locations were predicted to take until 10am to reach 19*C 


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Stormchaser
15 July 2014 20:05:33

Just spotted one of the largest maximum temperature errors I've ever seen; GFS predicted a high in the London area of 21*C today, yet that region reached around 25*C generally, and Heathrow climbed all the way to 26.5*C!


Looking at the cloud charts, GFS seemed to predict too much cloud cover building, which was then shown to take longer to melt away than has been observed.


Tomorrow looks to be a similar situation in terms of cloud building through the day - similar errors would put Heathrow at 29.5*C though and I'm not expecting it to turn out quite as hot as that that if I'm honest - that can wait until Thursday 


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Hungry Tiger
15 July 2014 20:08:46


Just spotted one of the largest maximum temperature errors I've ever seen; GFS predicted a high in the London area of 21*C today, yet that region reached around 25*C generally, and Heathrow climbed all the way to 26.5*C!


Looking at the cloud charts, GFS seemed to predict too much cloud cover building, which was then shown to take longer to melt away than has been observed.


Tomorrow looks to be a similar situation in terms of cloud building through the day - similar errors would put Heathrow at 29.5*C though and I'm not expecting it to turn out quite as hot as that that if I'm honest - that can wait until Thursday 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 



Great post - I've noticed this warm spell has been well underestimated.


I got 25C yesterday and 24C today which was at least 4C more than expected.


 


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TimS
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15 July 2014 20:14:46
So far 5 consecutive days of somewhere hitting 25C. At least another 5-6 to go, possibly rather more.
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Quantum
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15 July 2014 20:18:14



Just spotted one of the largest maximum temperature errors I've ever seen; GFS predicted a high in the London area of 21*C today, yet that region reached around 25*C generally, and Heathrow climbed all the way to 26.5*C!


Looking at the cloud charts, GFS seemed to predict too much cloud cover building, which was then shown to take longer to melt away than has been observed.


Tomorrow looks to be a similar situation in terms of cloud building through the day - similar errors would put Heathrow at 29.5*C though and I'm not expecting it to turn out quite as hot as that that if I'm honest - that can wait until Thursday 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 



Great post - I've noticed this warm spell has been well underestimated.


I got 25C yesterday and 24C today which was at least 4C more than expected.


 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


I always tend to find that the GFS tends to underestimate temps in summer when things are anticyclonic (and overestimate them on winter nights). To me the most important thing in determining temperature is the wind direction and also use 850hpas as a check.


Whenever the wind is in the SE, and things are not cyclonic there is a very good chance of seeing 30C.


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/12/78/windvector.png


Originally the models had the winds veering SE by thursday, but its now been delayed by friday so I think that will be the hottest day. My predictions for maxima are as follows:


Wednesday: 26C


Thursday: 28C


Friday: 31C


Saturday: 28C (but not in the SE)


 


There is no sign of anything continental thereafter, so a very brief 'hot' spell. At least some thundery activity is likely (for those that like it).


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Stormchaser
15 July 2014 21:13:44

Might as well have a bit of fun - for absolute maximums across the UK stations, attempting to apply adjustments for GFS underestimation, I can see a fair chance of 27*C tomorrow (basically today version 2), 30*C on Thursday, 32*C on Friday and 30*C on Saturday.


Of course, there's no way I'm revealing exactly what I consider a 'fair chance' to be 


It gets tricky given that I'm adjusting GFS maximums upward but still using the same cloud forecasts for loose guidance (just the large-scale features really - not the convective stuff, that's not going to be handled well).


 


As a footnote, if ECM verified for Saturday and then the sun made a decent appearance in the far SE, something in the range of 32-34*C wouldn't be out of the question. That requires a lot of things to fall in the right place, though!


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Saint Snow
15 July 2014 21:17:09

My highest so far this year is 23.5c


Which is odd, because it's felt warm for weeks, and we've had some really fine weather - best summer since 2013 by this point of the year...


 


 




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Stormchaser
15 July 2014 21:18:35


There is no sign of anything continental thereafter, so a very brief 'hot' spell. At least some thundery activity is likely (for those that like it).


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I have to ask - what about ECM, GEM and to a lesser extent UKMO? They look to either keep the heat largely in place (ECM and GEM) or bring it back quickly as tropical maritime air from the SW meets an easterly drift from the continent (UKMO based on where day 6 looks to be heading).


Your statement reflects GFS and JMA, though.


Bottom line is, what happens beyond the plume arriving is highly uncertain, and I suppose not really worth looking into much until the plume is arriving.


A long 48 hours ahead I reckon! 


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Stormchaser
15 July 2014 23:17:45

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=10day;sess=


I'm not sure how Netweather calculate these 'feels like' temperatures exactly, though I know humidity plays a large part.


For those who miss this version that used the 18z data (i.e. most people...) the values are sensational - 29.4*C tomorrow, 30.6*C Thursday, 35.8*C Friday (highest I've ever seen predicted), 34.5*C Saturday, then an easing off to 24.2*C on Monday before the heat rebuilds and it feels like 30.9*C by next Wednesday 


 


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Matty H
15 July 2014 23:22:23

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=10day;sess=


I'm not sure how Netweather calculate these 'feels like' temperatures exactly, though I know humidity plays a large part.


For those who miss this version that used the 18z data (i.e. most people...) the values are sensational - 29.4*C tomorrow, 30.6*C Thursday, 35.8*C Friday (highest I've ever seen predicted), 34.5*C Saturday, then an easing off to 24.2*C on Monday before the heat rebuilds and it feels like 30.9*C by next Wednesday 


 


Depending on what the GFS 00z comes up with, I may later today upload a saved snapshot of the outlook I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 



For starters the nighttime minima are well below the projected values. I'm tempted to say the whole thing is a standard computer generated load of tosh.

And Saturday storm risk at 0% when current thinking has the east as the absolute prime area..

Tosh.
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15 July 2014 23:41:25



There is no sign of anything continental thereafter, so a very brief 'hot' spell. At least some thundery activity is likely (for those that like it).


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


I have to ask - what about ECM, GEM and to a lesser extent UKMO? They look to either keep the heat largely in place (ECM and GEM) or bring it back quickly as tropical maritime air from the SW meets an easterly drift from the continent (UKMO based on where day 6 looks to be heading).


Your statement reflects GFS and JMA, though.


Bottom line is, what happens beyond the plume arriving is highly uncertain, and I suppose not really worth looking into much until the plume is arriving.


A long 48 hours ahead I reckon! 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Good point, although we have North easteries rather than south easterlies. And 850hpas are only ~10C, to me thats high twenties rather than low thirties. To really get past that 30C barrior the air usually has to come from the near continent rather than scandanavia, and ofc in the event of a NErly, E costal counties including E anglia, Yorkshire, NE england and E scotland and possibly kent will see very low temps due to low cloud (looking at mid teens) wheras a few miles inland itl be easily above 25C.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
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15 July 2014 23:55:29


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=10day;sess=


I'm not sure how Netweather calculate these 'feels like' temperatures exactly, though I know humidity plays a large part.


For those who miss this version that used the 18z data (i.e. most people...) the values are sensational - 29.4*C tomorrow, 30.6*C Thursday, 35.8*C Friday (highest I've ever seen predicted), 34.5*C Saturday, then an easing off to 24.2*C on Monday before the heat rebuilds and it feels like 30.9*C by next Wednesday 


 


Depending on what the GFS 00z comes up with, I may later today upload a saved snapshot of the outlook I'm talking about.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



For starters the nighttime minima are well below the projected values. I'm tempted to say the whole thing is a standard computer generated load of tosh.

And Saturday storm risk at 0% when current thinking has the east as the absolute prime area..

Tosh.

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


There is no way that Saturday will be storm free.


But in any case the models are not exactly precluding it:


https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20140715/18/96/ukcapeli.png


And with a trough sitting right across the UK in that stagnent warm air; looks reasonable.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
SydneyonTees
16 July 2014 06:12:04


http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=10day;sess=


I'm not sure how Netweather calculate these 'feels like' temperatures exactly, though I know humidity plays a large part.


For those who miss this version that used the 18z data (i.e. most people...) the values are sensational - 29.4*C tomorrow, 30.6*C Thursday, 35.8*C Friday (highest I've ever seen predicted), 34.5*C Saturday, then an easing off to 24.2*C on Monday before the heat rebuilds and it feels like 30.9*C by next Wednesday 


 


Depending on what the GFS 00z comes up with, I may later today upload a saved snapshot of the outlook I'm talking about.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


 


30c in the UK feels hotter to me than 30c in Australia. 30c here feels very comforrtable indeed and is a good  outside activity day here, often with a fresh afternoon sea breeze.


30c in the Uk feels roasting to me and I need temps pushing 40c here to get that same feeling as in the UK when it is 30c.


Maybe partly because summer temps here between 30c and 35c are normal and I am used to it here, I don't know.


My parents who have spent a good few summers in Australia now also made the same comment last week. They say they suffer more in UK 30c style heat than in most of their time in Australia.

picturesareme
16 July 2014 08:13:18
It's not so much the daytime heat forecasted for my neck of the woods that I'm interested in, those are not going to be anything spectacular - 23-24C being forecasted (probably add a couple more on), rather the night temperatures. Thursday night into Friday is not expected to drop below 20C!! This has been forecasted now since Monday evening.

That really is a warm night, even for us in a big city on the Solent coast.

Mid July night temperatures are usually 15-16C and warmer nights maybe between 18-19C.. But +20C is quite something, a rare event.
Stormchaser
16 July 2014 09:30:34

Here's that insane 'feelslike' temperature outlook I was talking about last night:



As you can see, Matty's comments are entirely accurate. I doubt that people stepping outside in Reading late on Friday night will find that it feels like 12.9*C, unless perhaps there is a torrent of rain to deal with.


Automated calculations, most likely.


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Frost Hollow
16 July 2014 11:37:12

I see 26.5c now at Heathrow with Gravesend & Northolt at 25.9c

Arctic Hare
16 July 2014 14:03:43
We hit 26.0 °C here in Bewdley an hour or two ago, though it's since fallen a couple of degrees with the front's approach. It felt very warm, too. Quite oppressive already under cloud cover, despite the noticeable breeze.

Incidentally, that "feels like" thing has 37.9 °C for the City of London on Friday. 😛
DeeDee
16 July 2014 14:13:55
Just heard on radio 2 that this had been triggered

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/heat-health/#?tab=heatHealth 

😝

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Stormchaser
16 July 2014 15:46:01

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2014/07/15/with-hot-and-humid-weather-could-we-see-a-spanish-plume/


This is what the Met Office have to say about the imminent plume and thunder potential.


It's as level headed and non-commital as you'd expect 


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Quantum
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16 July 2014 15:49:02

Looks like we are topping out with 27C today. Tommorow will be a degree or so higher, and Friday even higher where 30C is likely to be breached.


Saturday looks a mess with some high temperatures combining with heavy thundery rain and showers. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.

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