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yorkshirelad89
16 July 2014 21:53:36

Some really remarkable CAPE values on Friday and Saturday, very intense thunderstorms and flash flooding look likely.


Probably one of the most prominent Spanish plumes since I joined TWO in 2007 however things could still change.


Hopefully I'll be well placed in Norwich! 


Hull
Elstevio
16 July 2014 22:05:56
We've already had a few flash floods here Jonny so it is more than likely. Going to be very hot judging by just today's temp compared to original forecast.
Aylsham, North Norfolk
yorkshirelad89
16 July 2014 22:22:00

We've already had a few flash floods here Jonny so it is more than likely. Going to be very hot judging by just today's temp compared to original forecast.

Originally Posted by: Elstevio 


We've missed the worst of the thunderstorms here in Norwich, the forecasts for CAPE this weekend are most anomalous in the Midlands withs values of -9!!


East Anglia values are a bit lower but this may be a resolution issue, either way it would be good to see a big thunderstorm as the last really good storm I saw was in July 2006, hopefully the rainfall won't be too bad, but given the amount of energy in the atmosphere it could get nasty for some.


Hull
Elstevio
16 July 2014 22:27:45
Can't believe norwich missed the big thunderstorm on Sunday. 28mm in an hour here! We are only 12 miles up the road from norwich.
Aylsham, North Norfolk
Stormchaser
16 July 2014 22:37:59

The GFS is trying very hard to be a pain on the 18z, finding a bit of extra momentum in the mid-Atlantic to tilt the trough/ridge wave such as to keep troughing a lot closer to the UK... but even this run only shows very slack low pressure systems that are mostly to the east or west of the UK, and the airmass remains warm enough to keep producing mid to high 20's at the surface.


That's the most unstable option I among the operationals tonight, and it's not bad at all, though it does deny us the memorable heatwave that the 12z ECM, GFS, UKMO, GEM and JMA runs hint at strongly.


 


In short, we're in a good position tonight if you enjoy extended runs of very warm to hot weather and can handle some humidity and thunderstorms at times 


It would help if the 00z GFS tomorrow reverted back to something akin to the 12z GFS today out to day 8, though!


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Matty H
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16 July 2014 22:52:49
Love it, Steve 🤣

Would be a lot happier of the GFS just didn't exist. I'm just not quite feeling it at the moment despite weight of model opinion.
GIBBY
17 July 2014 07:18:46

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THURSDAY JULY 17TH 2014.


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A ridge of High pressure will move North across the UK today followed by falling pressure to the SW of the UK with a thundery trough moving North across Western areas tonight.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Warm or very warm at times with the chance of thundery showers at times, especially in the South.


GFS The GFS operational today shows the UK maintained within quite warm weather throughout the period as High pressure to the NE of the UK throws a ridge across the UK. There are periods when lower pressure to the South and SW give rise to some thundery showers in places especially across the South and west of the UK. The Ensembles too show a similar pattern of higher pressure to the North with thundery Low pressure maintaining the risk of locally heavy rain in between the spells of very warm sunshine more likely towards the South.


UKMO UKMO this morning also shows High pressure to the NE of the UK becoming dominant later next week with a ridge across the UK. There is a sign that further thundery Low pressure could develop towards the South and SW late next week re-introducing the risk of thundery showers here later within the otherwise warm or very warm and sunny conditions.


GEM The GEM operational also indicates a large High pressure area to the NE and then North of the UK next week. The North looks like becoming bone dry with sunny spells and warm weather while the South see more of an Easterly breeze. It will be very warm and somewhat humid here with thundery Lows to the South giving a risk of scattered thundery showers at times here.


NAVGEM NAVGEM holds the ridge from the High to the NE further South with cloud and a little rain in the NW for a time next week before it too joins the rest of the UK in mostly fine warm and settled weather under a strong ridge later next week.


ECM The ECM operational this morning shows quite a complex and slack pressure pattern next week mostly revolving around a differing day to day extent to the strength of a ridge of high pressure from an anticyclone to the NE. Much of the time the weather would be dry and warm or very warm but with shallow Low pressure areas or troughs trying to invade the UK from the West or SW at times the risk of scattered thundery showers has always to be catered for.


MY THOUGHTS  This morning offers us a very pleasant couple of weeks overall when a large High to the NE of the UK generally holds off the influence of any would be attacks from Atlantic Low pressure areas for the UK. Despite this things look unlikely to be straightforward and while the high temperatures and fine weather look like the most dominant factor for the majority there will be some interventions from thundery showers from shallow upper Low pressure especially across the South at times. While there are small variations between the models on this general theme there is sufficient parity on the overall trend for this scenario having a strong chance of evolving so while the chance of a heavy shower could be welcomed by some the vast majority of time will see the UK under warm or very warm and sunny conditions and parts of the North and NE may see no rain at all if some of this morning's output verify beyond this weekends very thundery phase.


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Stormchaser
17 July 2014 08:17:17

GFS has edged back in line with ECM and UKMO in terms of having less trough influence to day 8 


ECM and UKMO have found a replacement trough for the mid-Atlantic one, which is good news for heat lovers as the natural progression simply leads to another low stalled some way west of the UK, building further ridges of high pressure through the UK from the SSW - flooded with very warm air - and potentially starting to construct antoher plume.


 


Worth noting that the pattern we're looking at next week has been behind some of the hottest recorded spells of weather in the UK:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2003/Rrea00120030804.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2003/Rrea00120030810.gif


...but of course it takes a long time to build the heat to that magnitude!


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2006/Rrea00120060716.gif


2006 was more of an Azores Ridge scenario, as the Atlantic was relatively active and kept beating down the blocks to the NE. We were rather lucky not to have any of the storm systems driving east instead of NE and supressing the ridge. Well... until 10th August, ironically enough.


 


So who knows what we might be looking at a week from now 


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White Meadows
17 July 2014 12:02:46
Good prospects for warm or very warm extended conditions into August by the look of things.

Will 2014 turn out one to remember I wonder.
Medlock Vale Weather
17 July 2014 12:28:36

Sizzling in the SE tomorrow, 31C highly likely, maybe a degree higher than that in some locations.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014071706/nmmuk-0-32-0.png?17-13


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Medlock Vale Weather
17 July 2014 12:34:57

If this is anything to go by then places like Nottinghamshire/South Yorkshire, then down into SE Wales may see the heaviest of any thunderstorms by weekend.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014071706/nmmuk-25-72-0.png?17-14


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Gavin P
17 July 2014 13:32:02

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


Hot Summer Pattern Developing


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Next week looking very warm or hot, Atlantic blocked off, high pressure pulling in continental flows, the clues are certainly there...


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Whether Idle
18 July 2014 05:14:41

GFS confident of a heatwave lasting nearly 2 weeks:


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png  - SLP and TMAx


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png  - 850s and precip.


WI


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
sunny coast
18 July 2014 09:09:25
the forecast did change later but originally only the west was forecast to get storms but they were spectacular in parts of the south east away from the far east of sussex and kent
Matty H
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18 July 2014 09:19:25
I like things like this as it serves a reminder to people what a waste of time LRFs are.
vince
18 July 2014 09:49:01
No synopsis from Gibby this morning , think he is looking for the missing H on his keyboard 😉 lol.
GIBBY
18 July 2014 09:51:16
Sorry no time to post my report across to here this morning but you can read it via my website at www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk
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Saint Snow
18 July 2014 09:52:30

I like things like this as it serves a reminder to people what a waste of time LRFs are.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Indeed.


 


I'm trying to pin down the weather for next weekend in Devon and forecasts are annoyingly contradictory. TWO goes for Sat/Sun being scorchio. BBC says mild but chance of showers. Netweather goes with warmish and showery.


GFS looks mostly good and ECM is hardly poor - but with a complex network of high pressures, it's hard to say where pockets of PPN win pop up - and, of course, difficult to know the exact wind direction for any one time, which is so important to temps



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AlvinMeister
18 July 2014 09:59:59
Next weekend looks like some sort of breakdown is possible - either from the north or west. If it's the west, Devon could be the worst place to be. On the other hand, the Atlantic could fail to break through and the conditions could continue. So, I'd say 33% chance of it being poor, 66% chance of it being decent!
vince
18 July 2014 10:01:22

Sorry no time to post my report across to here this morning but you can read it via my website at Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

">www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk


 


but does it mention hot and thundery   i go look 

cultman1
18 July 2014 12:20:31
Gibby goes for 2 weeks of generally fine and warm weather after this weekend for most of the UK .As usual a well written analysis on his website .
Gavin P
18 July 2014 13:47:43

Here's today's video update:


Late July And Augist Look-Ahead


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


This much of July is looking very warm, hot at times, but August a little more uncertain.


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vince
18 July 2014 14:49:33


Here's today's video update:


Late July And Augist Look-Ahead


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


This much of July is looking very warm, hot at times, but August a little more uncertain.


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


Gavin ,was it that Jap model which gave a cracking July ? if so big credit to it 

Saint Snow
18 July 2014 14:59:58

Next weekend looks like some sort of breakdown is possible - either from the north or west. If it's the west, Devon could be the worst place to be. On the other hand, the Atlantic could fail to break through and the conditions could continue. So, I'd say 33% chance of it being poor, 66% chance of it being decent!

Originally Posted by: AlvinMeister 


 


The laws of probability it is then!!



 


Would love a dry, warm & sunny long weekend there.



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Gavin P
18 July 2014 15:17:00



Here's today's video update:


Late July And Augist Look-Ahead


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


This much of July is looking very warm, hot at times, but August a little more uncertain.


Originally Posted by: vince 


 


Gavin ,was it that Jap model which gave a cracking July ? if so big credit to it 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


There were hints, but don't think theres ever been a definite signal this summer. Has been a funny summer to forecast as I think I've said before, LOL.


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