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Quantum
28 August 2014 22:40:41

So Cristobal is going to hit iceland, and deliver some warm weather to the UK in the process.


For those that are interested


Tommorow 12pm, cristobal is still fully tropical


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_18_UTC/18_5.gif


by 6pm transition begins


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_18_UTC/24_5.gif


Sub tropical by 6am Saturday


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_18_UTC/36_5.gif


Still has some tropical characturistics by midnight sunday


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_18_UTC/54_5.gif


but by 6am sunday its 100% post tropical


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_18_UTC/60_5.gif


The warm sector hits the UK by sunday night


http://www2.wetter3.de/Animation_18_UTC/72_5.gif


So some rain likely for the NW, cold front could still be quite active for parts of N ireland.


 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
GIBBY
29 August 2014 07:26:54

A new day and a new day of model outputs. Is the fine spell still on course to arrive next week and will it last. My version of how I see things evolving using todays outputs can be found here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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Stormchaser
29 August 2014 08:59:43

The models have shifted the Atlantic jet further north in the 8-10 day timeframe, hence a new ridge from the Azores is favoured over an Atlantic onslaught in the 00z op runs.


GFS and UKMO show the preceding Scandinavian ridge to be elongated west to east, which reflects a flatter jet profile and is most effective for keeping the UK within the warm airmass as the Azores High ridges NE and links with the Scandi ridge.


ECM and GEM depict a more circular HP, reflecting a more amplified jet profile, though ECM has backed down a bit from what it came up with in yesterday's runs. The jet dips down to our west enough to give a weak LP to the S of the UK what it needs to develop a little and head N/NE through or close to the UK. The main impact on us is to pull in some much cooler air for a day or two, along with some showers.


 


The persistence of the models with the idea of a strong 'Atlantic train' to our NW for the second week of September lends good confidence to the idea. Just how far NW the train runs remains to be sorted out. Even so, the trend NW this morning is encouraging if you're seeking widespread settled and warm conditions 


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Gavin P
29 August 2014 12:40:44

Hi all


Here today's video update; 

September Look-Ahead With JMA Friday; 

http://www.gavsweathervids.com/

A dry and warm start, but for how long? Think a change may come around mid month?


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Polar Low
29 August 2014 16:31:29

Not sure how sunny it will be next week Martin not really in the clear untill winds back s/e with dryer air


lets hope that front decays quickly as the high builds


http://www.weathercharts.org/ukmomslp.htm#t120


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=euro&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=tcdc&HH=66&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


 


 



A new day and a new day of model outputs. Is the fine spell still on course to arrive next week and will it last. My version of how I see things evolving using todays outputs can be found here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Jiries
29 August 2014 17:01:59

Managed to book Tue-Wed off next week and Tue off on the following week as my normal days off on Sun/Mon meaning great timing to do the garden fence painting which was delayed this month due to poor weather.  At least from Sunday onward things look warmer, sunnier and both car boot sales would be on.  Great to see summer on the way back after being absent for nearly a month now.

David M Porter
29 August 2014 21:43:31

The outlook according to the models looks pretty decent for a while. I'd say the model runs just now are the best I can recall of any since the late part of July.


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GIBBY
30 August 2014 07:11:48

Is the fine spell still on course for next week and how long will it last. I attempt to answer these questions in this morning's analysis report here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


 


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idj20
30 August 2014 09:27:00

I might have to be a bit of a moaning minnie spoilsport but I reckon it's going to end up as being a "Scotland/West Is Best" thing if the models carry on showing winds often coming in from the north east here at Kent what with that high pressure being positioned to the north of us here at this end. Very much what it has been like in the past summer.
  Of course, what I also need to factor in is how the seas around us are now at it's most warmest so there probably won't be much in the way of that North Sea cooling effect anyhow.

Or it might just be me being cranky after 20-odd emergency services vehicles converged on this one house on the other side of the street at 1 am last night where all the flashing reds, whites and blues made my bedroom light up like a night club, even with curtains closed.

Still, it is far better than seeing the charts being filled with bombing Altantic depression systems so I mustn't be too greedy.


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ARTzeman
30 August 2014 10:10:32

Decent outputs of decent weather.. Well liked..  Keep any Beast From The East Away...






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Matty H
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30 August 2014 11:06:05

Decent outputs of decent weather..Well liked.. Keep any Beast From The East Away...

Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 



Yeah, Labour-sympathising fool that he is 😒





Hi Beast 🤣 😉
Stormchaser
30 August 2014 21:01:32

GFS certainly seems to be on its own tonight with regards to how the Atlantic jet stream evolves from day 4 onward and the associated behaviour of the mid-Atlantic ridge and troughs located south of it.


With ECM's extended ridge over a cut-off low to the south now well supported by UKMO and JMA, and GEM giving it some thought, that looks to be the form horse.


 


The mid-Atlantic/Greenland ridge and Scandi trough combination was actually first depicted by the ECM model, on last night's 12z op run, so it's curious that while this turned out to be just a wobble from that model, GFS has decided to run away with it today. Perhaps the answer lies with the MJO projections, which show a low amplitude MJO capable of at least a weak influence:


 


http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/MJO/CLIVAR/ALL_emean_phase_full.gif


The GEFS resolutely steer the MJO from phase 3 to phase 1 via phase 2, but the Canadian and Japanese model ensembles (JMAN and CANM) head the other way, while ECM has it hanging around in phase 3 without much sign of moving along.


 


See what phase 2 can bring in August:


http://www.americanwx.com/raleighwx/MJO/MJO/AugustPhase2all500mb.gif


This looks a lot like the GFS 12z op run. The September phase 2 mean looks nothing like any of the output, so the response seems to be characteristic of August despite the change of month.


Here's the phase 3 mean for August:


http://www.americanwx.com/raleighwx/MJO/MJO/AugustPhase3all500mb.gif


The ECM and JMA 12z op runs fit well with that.


Meanwhile Phase 4 in September is a good match for the GEM output:


http://www.americanwx.com/raleighwx/MJO/MJO/SeptemberPhase4all500mb.gif


...so perhaps that model is seeing a response more in tune with the long term average for September.


 


I don't usually give the MJO much weighting for our weather, but the similarity of those means to the current model output really caught my eye.


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Ally Pally Snowman
30 August 2014 21:16:50
CET could be quite a bit above average after the first week of September.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png 
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yorkshirelad89
30 August 2014 21:24:40

CET could be quite a bit above average after the first week of September.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.pngOriginally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

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Can clearly see that a few runs are going for a build of pressure over Greenland there with a cluster of colder outputs.


Very uncertain at the moment, lets hope it goes the way of the ECM output.


Hull
Medlock Vale Weather
30 August 2014 21:26:40

Just seen the BBC weather forecast on the news channel and to be honest its not that fantastic, for most of this coming week it looks like a cloudy high pressure. Temps mainly low 20's in the far south, further north high teens. Suppose it could be worse - with an Atlantic dominated outlook.


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GIBBY
30 August 2014 22:31:46
Yes as I have indicated in my morning analysis recently there has always been a lot of complications both in the short and longer term and while I still feel that there will be some fine, warm and sunny weather for a time cloud could be a stubborn issue at first especially over Southern Britain and showers could return latterly too. It just goes to show that when High pressure builds across weakening fronts they always seem to maintain enough energy to maintain cloudier skies if not rain. Still let's hope I can be more optimistic in the morning.
Tonight's range of Faxes show the complications well.

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?carte=2000&ech=0 
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Russwirral
30 August 2014 23:11:01
one or two northern blocking options in the offing tonight. quite interesting timing as it can tend to hang around for a while, which could lead to early snowfall in the higher regions of Scotland (wouldnt rule out snow to low ground in favoured spots in the highlands)

Is this a sign of things to come as we go into Autumn proper? Time will tell. What i will say is - as we go into a change in seasons and a change in concentrations of heat / cold Im always on the look out for general large scale patterns. Something - i believe has been a regular of our weather over the past decade or so.

A significant pattern that re-establishes itself over and over again for the duration of at least a season.

Last year was the severe storm of October which we saw succession of repeat events run through to 2014 with very similar characteristics. The year before was defined by a succession of slider lows with a scandi high to the north east. Etc.

What will the general pattern for autumn winter 2014 -5 be remembered as?


Saint Snow
31 August 2014 00:19:42

Some charts into early FI on the GFS pub run that'd have half of TWO (me included!) macaroniing their trousers if it were January


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/08/30/basis18/euro/pslv/14090906_3018.gif


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/08/30/basis18/euro/pslv/14091218_3018.gif


 


As it's September, we'll just have to make do with mostly settled, mild - generally nice 



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GIBBY
31 August 2014 07:43:06

Good morning TWO'ers. Here is this morning's digestion of the 00z outputs of the major models this morning and where they take us over the next few weeks.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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Cumbrian Snowman
31 August 2014 08:56:24

Often puzzles me on this forum which I assume is for weather enthusiasts why a spell of decent weather is welcomed, which on this occasion is for a warm spell of weather. Do we not prefer a spell of windy weather or thunderstorms for example.


I assume most of us have to go to work, I cant think of anything worse that a warm spell when I am working. ( I work both indoors, outdoors and stuck in car )


Its proabley just me, but roll on some interesting weather please, the current models look fairly settled and therefore unintersting for the next 14 days. 


David M Porter
31 August 2014 09:02:02


Often puzzles me on this forum which I assume is for weather enthusiasts why a spell of decent weather is welcomed, which on this occasion is for a warm spell of weather. Do we not prefer a spell of windy weather or thunderstorms for example.


I assume most of us have to go to work, I cant think of anything worse that a warm spell when I am working. ( I work both indoors, outdoors and stuck in car )


Its proabley just me, but roll on some interesting weather please, the current models look fairly settled and therefore unintersting for the next 14 days. 


Originally Posted by: Cumbrian Snowman 


I think we need to remember that this is the UK and our weather is pretty changeable to say the least for much of the time. I'm sure that many will have been glad of the pretty decent summer this year after such a horrendous winter, plus up to and including a couple of years ago we had 6 rotten summers on the trot.


In summer most people, as far as I know, want decent weather, i.e mostly settled. While thunderstorms and similar weather may be interesting to some people, I'm afraid I don't class them as "decent" weather.


Sorry, off-topic.


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Gavin P
31 August 2014 09:40:41


Often puzzles me on this forum which I assume is for weather enthusiasts why a spell of decent weather is welcomed, which on this occasion is for a warm spell of weather. Do we not prefer a spell of windy weather or thunderstorms for example.


I assume most of us have to go to work, I cant think of anything worse that a warm spell when I am working. ( I work both indoors, outdoors and stuck in car )


Its proabley just me, but roll on some interesting weather please, the current models look fairly settled and therefore unintersting for the next 14 days. 


Originally Posted by: Cumbrian Snowman 


Well it's not going to be overly hot.


Temperature look like peaking in the south around 25c Thursday or Friday with most places around 20-23c. Temps probably drop back closer to average by the weekend as well, so it's a fairly brief and quite modest affair really, in terms of warmth.


All in all, very plesent.


I do kind of agree in terms of the synoptics though. Personally I think high pressue systems in September can be quite boring from a forecasting perspective, though on a personal level I do enjoy the final warm ray's of the sun before it leaves the northern hemisphere for the next six months...


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Matty H
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31 August 2014 11:11:48

Often puzzles me on this forum which I assume is for weather enthusiasts why a spell of decent weather is welcomed, which on this occasion is for a warm spell of weather. Do we not prefer a spell of windy weather or thunderstorms for example.
I assume most of us have to go to work, I cant think of anything worse that a warm spell when I am working. ( I work both indoors, outdoors and stuck in car )
Its proabley just me, but roll on some interesting weather please, the current models look fairly settled and therefore unintersting for the next 14 days.UserPostedImage

Originally Posted by: Cumbrian Snowman 



By the same token it always baffles me when people get excited by a wet and windy day because someone tagged the name "Bertha" on to it. Bizarre.


ARTzeman
31 August 2014 11:40:01

Really decent ideal weather for me is cold crispy OR warm But clear nights. Then the spotting scope, Binoculars, or Telescope can come out to see the heavens.....  






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