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Brendon Hills Bandit
09 September 2014 18:34:31

Hi everyone,


I'm curious to know if there is anywhere else in the world (on land) that has a similar latitude to the UK but has winters that are as mild as we get here on average. I think I remember reading that there are places, but find it hard to believe how anywhere can beat the UK in terms of winter mildness!


Principally wondering about northern hemisphere but also southern.


 


220m asl, edge of Brendon Hills
Rob K
09 September 2014 18:46:22
I think I asked a similar question a few years ago. The Vancouver region is only slightly further south than the UK and fairly similar, temperature wise, although the mountains just inland obviously get more snow. The North Pacific Current is analagous to the Gulf Stream and keeps that part of the globe mild.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Arcus
09 September 2014 18:47:02

I would have thought areas of British Columbia have a similarly fairly mild winter climate given the ameliorating influence of the North Pacific Current.


EDIT: Snap, Rob


Ben,
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Medlock Vale Weather
09 September 2014 19:24:14

Seattle isn't a million miles further south than Cornwall and the Winters there in Seattle are similar to the UK. In the US it has a reputation for it's rain.


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Gusty
09 September 2014 19:43:25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Vancouver


There is virtually no difference between Vancouver and Central England in terms of temperature. We may be a degree cooler by day but they appear perhaps a degree cooler by night. 


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Andy Woodcock
09 September 2014 21:35:27
Vancouver is a very good comparison and I read an article in Weather some years ago that stated winter cold 'easterlies' are rarer their than here!

It's all down to being east of a large Ocean when the earth spins in its current direction.

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Matty H
09 September 2014 22:50:10
We are incredibly lucky here. For this latitude to have such mild winters is a remarkable testament to the power of the oceans.
Gooner
09 September 2014 23:04:25

We are incredibly lucky here. For this latitude to have such mild winters is a remarkable testament to the power of the oceans.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Yes incredibly


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Rob K
10 September 2014 10:14:37

We are incredibly lucky here. For this latitude to have such mild winters is a remarkable testament to the power of the oceans.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Yes it's easy to forget how far north we are on a global scale. 


True fact: if you live in London, you live further north than 75% of all Canadians. 


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Matty H
10 September 2014 10:52:09

We are incredibly lucky here. For this latitude to have such mild winters is a remarkable testament to the power of the oceans.

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Yes incredibly

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Lol, yeah depending on your point of view admittedly. As someone who can't stand cold weather then a winter like last year was a dream. Others will prefer to feel cold and have high fuel bills
Solar Cycles
10 September 2014 11:16:00


We are incredibly lucky here. For this latitude to have such mild winters is a remarkable testament to the power of the oceans.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Yes incredibly


Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Lol, yeah depending on your point of view admittedly. As someone who can't stand cold weather then a winter like last year was a dream. Others will prefer to feel cold and have high fuel bills

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

And dry feet.

four
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10 September 2014 11:33:02

North Western USA, even Southern Alaska is a bit like NW Scotland at times.


TimS
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10 September 2014 11:46:20


I'm curious to know if there is anywhere else in the world (on land) that has a similar latitude to the UK but has winters that are as mild as we get here on average.


Originally Posted by: Brendon Hills Bandit 


Yes, Ireland


But assuming you meant similar latitude to the British Isles on other continents, then there are a few extreme maritime locations that would have as or mild mild winters. Whilst Vancouver does count, Western Vancouver Island is even milder.


Interestingly there is a portion of SE Vancouver Island near Victoria that claims to be the most Northerly example of a mediterranean climate owning to its very dry summers and wet winters. If you look at the climate chart on the Wikipedia article the monthly temperatures are almost identical to those in parts of Western England and Wales, and the cooler bits of the South Coast. Victoria is at 48N, about the same as Brest in Brittany.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria,_British_Columbia


The difference is the summer rainfall, averaging 14mm in July and around 20mm in June and August.


The temperature data for Victoria international airport for 1981-10 are actually strikingly to South East England, for every single month.


Victoria's "mediterranean" status triggered an interesting debate on the Wikipedia forum which proves to me that the concept of the med climate has to be more than just a statistical thing, but takes in people's contextual associations with vegetation (olive trees, evergreen oaks, scrubby hillsides), culture and lifestyle (youths on scooters, short old people gossiping on village squares, celebs hanging out at pool parties in the Hollywood hills) as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMediterranean_climate


Off topic a little, a couple of years ago I looked into the Met Office site records to find the most "mediterranean" site in the UK. The closest I could get was Lymington on the South Coast, which has around 35mm average rain in July compared with 3 times that in November.


 


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Saint Snow
10 September 2014 11:51:15

We are incredibly lucky here. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Just stop it.


 


 


 


(we all remember how you get like a kid in a sweetshop when it snows)



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Matty H
10 September 2014 12:25:11

We are incredibly lucky here. 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Just stop it.


 


 


 


(we all remember how you get like a kid in a sweetshop when it snows)

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Like Rolf Harris in a playground.

Love snow - hate, hate, hate cold. In fact I refuse to believe anyone enjoys a cold, cloudy nothing day. Humans are mammals.
SydneyonTees
10 September 2014 13:03:26
Tasmania has a very British climate, although Tassie is a little higher latitude wise than the UK, I guess the equivalent latitude in the northern hemisphere would be southern France perhaps.

The southern tip of NZ is also similar, expect there are some big mountains in NZ which get heaps of snow.
Saint Snow
10 September 2014 13:49:07


In fact I refuse to believe anyone enjoys a cold, cloudy nothing day. Humans are mammals.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


I genuinely do in deepest, darkest winter.


 



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Saint Snow
10 September 2014 13:53:07



In fact I refuse to believe anyone enjoys a cold, cloudy nothing day. Humans are mammals.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


I genuinely do in deepest, darkest winter.


 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


PS - I have one of these to keep me warm



 


 


PPS - no, that's not me


PPPS - I bet you have a snood



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Saint Snow
10 September 2014 14:01:21

PPPPS - apologies for wrecking your thread, BHB



Martin
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Matty H
10 September 2014 15:41:51
You have a man in a hat with a cricked neck to keep you warm? Each to their own [sn_kiss]
Whether Idle
10 September 2014 17:57:21


Hi everyone,


I'm curious to know if there is anywhere else in the world (on land) that has a similar latitude to the UK but has winters that are as mild as we get here on average. I think I remember reading that there are places, but find it hard to believe how anywhere can beat the UK in terms of winter mildness!


Principally wondering about northern hemisphere but also southern.


 


Originally Posted by: Brendon Hills Bandit 


To actually answer the question, the obvious answer is the Republic of Ireland.  Valentia in the far SW is impressively mild.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Col
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10 September 2014 17:58:48

Tasmania has a very British climate, although Tassie is a little higher latitude wise than the UK, I guess the equivalent latitude in the northern hemisphere would be southern France perhaps. The southern tip of NZ is also similar, expect there are some big mountains in NZ which get heaps of snow.

Originally Posted by: SydneyonTees 


I think in the Southern Hemisphere the general rule is that in temperate regions at least the equivalent climate there equates to about 10 degrees nearer the equator than in the Northern Hemisphere. For example, The Falkland Islands at around 50°S have a similar climate to Shetland at around 60°N.


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Larry Seinfeld
10 September 2014 18:24:32


Seattle isn't a million miles further south than Cornwall and the Winters there in Seattle are similar to the UK. In the US it has a reputation for it's rain.


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


 


Seattle is a little colder than Torquay. In Seattle they can grow Chamaerops Humilis, the most northerly naturally occuring palm in the world, native as far north as France, and Trachycarpus Fortunei (Windmill Palms, Chusan Palms) those are mountain palms from China, Burma, Nepal, etc. But they can't grow Date Palms like the one's in the Med like we can in Torquay.


torquay_palm


A Canary Island Date Palm in Torquay. They can't grow these in Seattle.


richardabdn
10 September 2014 18:50:22

The Pacific North West and British Columbia coast would be the only places with winters as vile as the British Isles.

The endless cold, wind, gloom and rain of last winter was utterly horrific and is what I imagine places in this part of the world have to endure on a regular basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Hardy 

Certainly seems as though many winters would see little snow here just endless rain and 5-7C maxes like we suffered last winter. Only at 50 degrees north though. The climates further north are equally as putrid, with regards to cold rain and gloom, but snow and frost are much more likely than in the UK.


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Medlock Vale Weather
10 September 2014 19:05:25


The Pacific North West and British Columbia coast would be the only places with winters as vile as the British Isles.

The endless cold, wind, gloom and rain of last winter was utterly horrific and is what I imagine places in this part of the world have to endure on a regular basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Hardy 

Certainly seems as though many winters would see little snow here just endless rain and 5-7C maxes like we suffered last winter. Only at 50 degrees north though. The climates further north are equally as putrid, with regards to cold rain and gloom, but snow and frost are much more likely than in the UK.


Originally Posted by: richardabdn 


Indeed - The city of Forks in the Pacific North West is very wet, probably comparable to western Scotland/Lake district. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forks,_Washington#Geography_and_climate


The only difference is that it's further south than Scotland so when the much stronger sun decides to come out it would feel a bit more pleasant than a Summer in Fort William!


 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 

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