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Quantum
28 September 2014 19:41:57

Look at that cold front on Friday.



If you get a warm belt rising over that front, it could be really stormy. 


 


Ah here we go:



Note how the surface cold front overtakes the warm belt to lie ahead of it (probably SE England at this point), when this happens heavy showers and thunderstorms develop very quickly.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin P
28 September 2014 21:53:58

I remember the cold front that brought a sudden end to the extended summer of 2003 in late September 03 - Might see something similar on Friday/Saturday.


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GIBBY
29 September 2014 07:31:17

HERE IS MY LATEST ANALYSIS FROM THE OUTPUTS OF THE WEATHER COMPUTER PREDICTION MODELS FOR TWO WEEKS FROM 8AM TODAY MONDAY SEPTEMBER 29TH 2014.


NEXT UPDATE TUESDAY SEPT 30TH 08:00


THE CURRENT GENERAL SITUATION. A slack pressure gradient remains in place across the Brtish Isles with a front reaching NW Britain tomorrow and a shallow pool of instability in the upper atmosphere crossing NE over Southern Britain today.


MODELS-2 WEEK HEADLINE  Continuing largely benign this week with a lot of cloud and a little rain at times especially in the NW. Becoming more unsettled and cooler for all later with more widespread rain at times.


THE JET STREAM ENSEMBLE FORECAST The Jet Stream remains positioned to the NW of Britain for much of this week before it troughs South over the UK next weekend and persists in this trough pattern close to the UK for most of week 2 with varying strengths.


GFS The GFS operational this morning shifts High pressure steadily East and declines it later in the week as pressure falls across the UK from the NW. After a benign start to the period SW winds freshen everywhere late in the week with a much more unsettled feel to the weather everywhere across Britain in Week 2 with occasional rain or showers and fresh winds too lowering temperatures towards the seasonal average as Low pressure engulfs the UK or lies just to the West.


THE GFS ENSEMBLES. The GFS Ensembles are symbolic of the operational through the first half of the run and while some continuation of occasionally wet and windy weather remains through Week 2 pressure is shown to be High to both the East and SW and a linking ridge could cut off the unsettled weather later with just the extremities North and South liable to see further showers in an otherwise return to more benign conditions again.


UKMO UKMO this morning shows High pressure declining later in the week. After a weakening trough crosses East over Wednesday with just a little rain SW winds freshen more markedly by next weekend with more active fromts bringing rain SE across the UK by the end of the run with temperatures falling back towards average values.


THE FAX CHARTS  The Fax Charts agree with the pattern of the raw data and remain unedited in any major way. Therefore the weather will be benign through the week but not discounting a little rain midweek as cold fronts are shown to slip SE. A ridge following shows a couple of drier and for some fresher weather days before wind and rain moves down from the NW under a more active SW flow by the weekend lowering temperatures then.


GEM The GEM operational also manintains the trend shown by other output this morning with a shift away from the fine and quiet conditions of much of this week with just a little rain for a time midweek to a much more active weather pattern with a concoction of Lows and troughs circling the UK next week with rain at times along with fresh winds and temperatures generally much cooler than of late.


NAVGEM NAVGEM too shows a decline in conditions by next weekend and the start to the new week with Low pressure becoming resident close to northern Britain with troughs swinging East in the flow. Temperatures will fall back to average after most of this week stays somewhat warm at times and winds will be much more noticeable.


ECM The ECM operational today completes the set with unsettled and windy weather arriving from the NW by the weekend as a deep Low moves down across the UK giving strong cyclonic winds with spells of rain and showers in much cooler weather than of late to start next week.


NOTABLE TREND CHANGES FROM PREVIOUS RUNS There is finally good cross model support for the trend to cooler and more unsettled, windier weather for all areas by the end of the week lasting through week 2.


MY THOUGHTS  The models continue to strengthen there trend towards a much cooler and more unsettled period of weather starting at the end of the working week and extending SE to cover all of the UK by the end of next weekend. Changes will feel marked as we have enjoyed some very protracted warmth and calmness to the weather of late so the increase in wind and more pronounced rainfall events will enhance the feel of the lower temperatures we will receive. The change of weather will move down from the NW and with the Jet buckling South to engulf the UK in a trough like form at the weekend and sustaining this pattern well into next week if not beyond. So once the unsettled weather arrives it will probably remain sustained, in particular as some cold air advecting West across Scandinavia next week is shown by several model runs this morning which once engaging with the unstable air over the UK could give rise to even more potent depressions towards the end of the period. However, as always there are always exceptions to this theory and the GFS Ensembles do show a return to High pressure as heights to the East and SW remain High possibly with a linking ridge over the UK late in the period to bring extensive mist and fog problems if that theory evolves rather than wind and rain. Having said all that this morning offers good overall support for Autumn proper to arrive next weekend with some decent amounts of rain and fresh breezes for most areas at times from then on with the much cooler feel of conditions becoming the main talking point as daytime temperatures fall some 5C or more from current daytime values across the South.


Martin G
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ARTzeman
29 September 2014 07:56:12

Thank you Martin. I have a good read and visit the web cam every day..  Church has disappeared into the fog.






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sizzle
29 September 2014 08:03:03

thanks gibby, and something colder at last, a change, and nice to see charts being posted like that than just the links, cos sometimes the links don't work,,,,,

briggsy6
29 September 2014 10:25:27

Oh dear, I fear a rerun of last Autumn.. Prepare for months and months of endless Atlantic storms battering our shores. Those welcoming these changes might soon come to regret their words.


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Charmhills
29 September 2014 10:28:37


Oh dear, I fear a rerun of last Autumn.. Prepare for months and months of endless Atlantic storms battering our shores. Those welcoming these changes might soon come to regret their words.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 



What you wish for has NO effect or control of our weather!


Yes it looks to be turning cooler and unsettled but it is Autumn and It was bound to happen at some stage.


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Duane.
Sevendust
29 September 2014 11:36:53



Oh dear, I fear a rerun of last Autumn.. Prepare for months and months of endless Atlantic storms battering our shores. Those welcoming these changes might soon come to regret their words.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



What you wish for has NO effect or control of our weather!


Yes it looks to be turning cooler and unsettled but it is Autumn and It was bound to happen at some stage.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


Quite!


Given that October can often be unsettled and sometimes a stormy month this would be no surprise after a prolonged settled spell.


No one can predict how things will move beyond the breakdown although experience tells me that a 2 to 3 week unsettled zonal spell would be  a good punt.


It should be noted that events of mid-December to mid-February last winter were exceptional in terms of their longevity and certainly not "normal".

Polar Low
29 September 2014 11:56:05

Thus far when you look back with this pattern change to come it does not long far out from what we had this time last year


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=1&type=0&archive=1&mois=9&heure=0&jour=29&annee=2013


and at t240 2014


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=1&type=0&archive=1&mois=9&heure=0&jour=29&annee=2014


 





Oh dear, I fear a rerun of last Autumn.. Prepare for months and months of endless Atlantic storms battering our shores. Those welcoming these changes might soon come to regret their words.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



What you wish for has NO effect or control of our weather!


Yes it looks to be turning cooler and unsettled but it is Autumn and It was bound to happen at some stage.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Quite!


Given that October can often be unsettled and sometimes a stormy month this would be no surprise after a prolonged settled spell.


No one can predict how things will move beyond the breakdown although experience tells me that a 2 to 3 week unsettled zonal spell would be  a good punt.


It should be noted that events of mid-December to mid-February last winter were exceptional in terms of their longevity and certainly not "normal".


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 

Gavin P
29 September 2014 12:57:21

Hi all,


Here's today's video update:


Autumn Arrives From The Weekend


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


Looks like a significant change in the weather pattern is on the way!


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Quantum
29 September 2014 13:05:43

Another look at that cold front on Friday.



The black line is the approximate position of the surface cold front, the red splash is where you would expect to see heavy rain and possible slight thunderstorm activity. The story seems to be that as the active front moves south the warm belt will rise over the frontal area spurring on some good convection, there are also likely to be one or two heavy showers ahead of the front. Behind the front it will be gloriously sunny, clear and chilly with perhaps a few lake effect showers for the far NW. This air-mass had arctic origin. This being said CAPE isn't that high so not expecting anything that notable. 


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Gavin P
29 September 2014 13:16:24

Great analysis Q. I'm not expecting much thunder, just a band of heavy rain (10-20mm in an hour or so?) and a big 5C+ temperature drop!


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Osprey
29 September 2014 13:26:05




Oh dear, I fear a rerun of last Autumn.. Prepare for months and months of endless Atlantic storms battering our shores. Those welcoming these changes might soon come to regret their words.


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 



What you wish for has NO effect or control of our weather!


Yes it looks to be turning cooler and unsettled but it is Autumn and It was bound to happen at some stage.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Quite!


Given that October can often be unsettled and sometimes a stormy month this would be no surprise after a prolonged settled spell.


No one can predict how things will move beyond the breakdown although experience tells me that a 2 to 3 week unsettled zonal spell would be  a good punt.


It should be noted that events of mid-December to mid-February last winter were exceptional in terms of their longevity and certainly not "normal".


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


I remember someone on the MOD say this when September arrived (Give or take a day) Paraphrased, 'That's it! It's the end of summer... Oops!


As the man said 'Long range is just for fun'  You're chuffed and beat your breast if you get it right, or hide away if it's wrong...


 


 


 


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Quantum
29 September 2014 16:24:01


Great analysis Q. I'm not expecting much thunder, just a band of heavy rain (10-20mm in an hour or so?) and a big 5C+ temperature drop!


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


I haven't mentioned this yet because its very FI but there is potentially an even more active feature the following monday, with a very active set of fronts, this one will also need watching. Although admittedly all activity is lost on the 12Z, such is the nature of FI!


 


Anyway that cold front again, this is the 12Z


 



Looks like most of the activity is for parts of wales and the SW this time. Note also the secondary low feature, this brings the risk of some very strong winds on its southern flank. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
idj20
29 September 2014 16:52:52

Urgh, too soon for all this autumnal s**t. I was hoping that the kind quiet theme would continue into October but I guess that is the nature of our mid latitude climate. Even a small part of me is starting to go off meteorology, must be an age thing. 

PS: Unless we go onto having a half decent winter with at least a couple of snowy spells, of course.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Osprey
29 September 2014 18:09:02


Urgh, too soon for all this autumnal s**t. I was hoping that the kind quiet theme would continue into October but I guess that is the nature of our mid latitude climate. Even a small part of me is starting to go off meteorology, must be an age thing. 

PS: Unless we go onto having a half decent winter with at least a couple of snowy spells, of course.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Quite right! Hoping this spell of unsettled weather is short then back to dry and warmer I'll take mid Nov to end of Feb weather can do what it likes


 


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Stormchaser
29 September 2014 22:25:45

The jet looks like becoming highly meridional next week, rather than zonal. It had a go at that last October as well:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2013/Rrea00120131014.gif


but could never quite pull it off:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2013/Rrea00120131017.gif


Then things really kicked into gear:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/archive/ra/2013/Rrea00120131028.gif


 


While the weather never follows the same path twice, I'm glad to see the main trough in the jet setting up in a different place this time around. If we can also avoid the persistent trough activity in the far-western Atlantic seen last time around, that will help too.


 


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Deep Powder
29 September 2014 22:26:44

great charts Q, thanks for posting. good analysis, nice and clear and very informative. reminds me of the charts Bren used to post......sadly missed.......frown


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GIBBY
30 September 2014 07:12:39

Hi folks. The models look much more interesting now and give me plenty to talk about and what to expect in weather terms. My thoughts on the 00zs can be found here.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


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sizzle
30 September 2014 07:47:54

thanks gibby,  great forecast, looks like there is weather on the way then,,,

bradders
30 September 2014 08:09:50

Like sizzle I`m looking forward to some interesting weather at last, bring it on.



Eric. Cheadle Hulme, Stockport.
bledur
30 September 2014 08:24:52

Well according to Weather Online the job situation is going to get better.


 


Saturday 04/10/14
The winds swing around to the west and it becomes cooler and could bring an increase in jobs. Rain now across East Anglia and the south east soon clears leaving a good deal of dry weather across the country except for showers around western coasts. Highs of 11 to 16C.  LOL

Charmhills
30 September 2014 09:00:26

Some very unsettled runs around this morning.


Significant rainfall to.


I've forgotten what proper rain looks like here its been dry for so long!


Loughborough, EM.

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Duane.
30 September 2014 09:30:34
I'm glad it's held off into October though to keep September as a record-breaking month.
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Jonesy
30 September 2014 10:46:04


Some very unsettled runs around this morning.


Significant rainfall to.


I've forgotten what proper rain looks like here its been dry for so long!


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


I thought that a few times before last Winter, look what happened then LOL


Prefer some rain rather than fog in the mornings though so will be welcomed.


 


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