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Medlock Vale Weather
09 October 2014 18:39:50

Lol an enormous area of low pressure in the Atlantic by JMA



 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
GIBBY
10 October 2014 07:29:24

Running late this morning so can only quote a link to my website for my report today.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
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ARTzeman
10 October 2014 07:32:14

Read daily... Thank you Martin for your web site and every thing on there to read. Cam included.






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Others just get wet.
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Stormchaser
10 October 2014 08:42:35

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GFS has moved into line with ECM regarding this LP moving up from the south; this is the first run to show as much development of the system taking place. The impact for the UK is a very wet day as bands of precipitation drag themselves slowly northward.


ECM takes the LP system a bit further east, keeping the main precipitation away from the western half of the UK, perhaps further east too.


The stronger low also prevents the jet stream from meandering about quite as much as it could have, which means less of a ridge building into the UK from the north, and a closer Atlantic low on days 5-6:


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On this run the LP aligns with a ridge over Europe to bring a notable plume of warm air up through the UK, with 20*C maximums returning to the SE for a few days:


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Of course with such warm air and an increasingly unstable atmosphere as a secondary low rides up the western side of the UK, this is a recipe for some notable storm activity and very large rainfall amounts.


 


Not to be outdone, ECM splits the jet on day 9 and brings about a chart almost as incredible as the one from yesterday's 00z effort:


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I wonder if the 12z will again revert to firing the Atlantic NE... a lot of flailing about regarding how active the Atlantic jet stream is in the 6-10 day range.


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idj20
10 October 2014 10:17:27

It's like the Atlantic is sitting there plotting it's next dastardly plan as the GFS 06z output roll out.

You can tell I get nervous about our weather at this time of the year, as St Jude's Storm of last year and even the Great Storm '87 are still fresh to mind, since both occurred in October. I know I should expect some rough and tumble once in a while what with having the Atlantic next door to us, but rather have not too much of it.


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Osprey
10 October 2014 12:03:22

Those miniture model areoplanes/helicopters are out again! Which usually means the weather will get warmer Wonder if we'll be in for some flash! bang! wallops?


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Medlock Vale Weather
10 October 2014 19:02:10

ECM ends tonight more unsettled & windy the further north you live with a deep area of pressure tracking to the north of Scotland.



Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Stormchaser
10 October 2014 19:09:00

The GFS and ECM 12z op runs are back to showing strong Atlantic storms pushing  NE then E, flattening the ridge across Europe. With a lot of warm air getting drawn across the UK, the rainfall amounts could be very high.


 


The swinging about continues - the question now is whether we see consistency tomorrow or another shift back towards a weaker Atlantic jet.


 


Shorter term, agreement is growing for the heavy rain late Sunday to track across central and eastern parts of the UK. Could be quite a soaker.


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stophe
10 October 2014 19:19:46


The GFS and ECM 12z op runs are back to showing strong Atlantic storms pushing  NE then E, flattening the ridge across Europe. With a lot of warm air getting drawn across the UK, the rainfall amounts could be very high.


 


The swinging about continues - the question now is whether we see consistency tomorrow or another shift back towards a weaker Atlantic jet.


 


Shorter term, agreement is growing for the heavy rain late Sunday to track across central and eastern parts of the UK. Could be quite a soaker.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


This mornings ecm ensembles showing that London could get a soaking or nothing at all.


 Latest 15 days ensemble forecast cumulated rainfall for London


All depends where the little low ends up tracking up from Iberia across the bay of Biscay and over the south east at the moment.


Russwirral
10 October 2014 23:30:03
nice to see sustained cooling into Russia for any siberian snow cover growth

http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_mollw/ANOM2m_f168_mollw.html 

Interesting to see cold being displaced out of the pole

http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_arctic/ANOM2m_f168_arctic.html 

charts are out to 7 days. Will be watching this closely :

http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/ 
Quantum
10 October 2014 23:53:29

nice to see sustained cooling into Russia for any siberian snow cover growth

http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_mollw/ANOM2m_f168_mollw.html

Interesting to see cold being displaced out of the pole

http://www.karstenhaustein.com/reanalysis/gfs0p5/ANOM2m_arctic/ANOM2m_f168_arctic.html

charts are out to 7 days. Will be watching this closely :

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

">http://www.natice.noaa.gov/ims/


Its very early for cold air to be pooling this far south and west, it isn't all that useful though if it gets pushed away again by the atlantic come late october or november.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
GIBBY
11 October 2014 07:30:36

Hi folks. Here's this morning's attempt by me to decipher where this complex pattern of weather is moving over the coming weeks.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
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Saint Snow
11 October 2014 09:44:00

The 6h GFS (backed to a certain extent by the 0h ECM) certainly shows a very, very wet (and, at time, pretty wild) spell on the way for most of the UK, although the worst is showing to hit to the far north. For now.



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doctormog
11 October 2014 09:56:13

I can only see the 06z GFS out to about 90hrs or so currently but, while windy at times, it doesnt't look exceptionally wet up here at least. just typical autumnal stuff.


idj20
11 October 2014 10:21:12


The 6h GFS (backed to a certain extent by the 0h ECM) certainly shows a very, very wet (and, at time, pretty wild) spell on the way for most of the UK, although the worst is showing to hit to the far north. For now.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



I hope those who were wishing for a change in our weather are going to be happy.

Does look rather changeable for the foreseeable future, but here at this South East corner it may not be all that bad - unless we go onto having a repeat of St Jude as go into the tail end of this month and I know how such systems love this part of the world at this time of the year.


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Matty H
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11 October 2014 10:32:02



The 6h GFS (backed to a certain extent by the 0h ECM) certainly shows a very, very wet (and, at time, pretty wild) spell on the way for most of the UK, although the worst is showing to hit to the far north. For now.


Originally Posted by: idj20 



I hope those who were wishing for a change in our weather are going to be happy.

Does look rather changeable for the foreseeable future, but here at this South East corner it may not be all that bad - unless we go onto having a repeat of St Jude as go into the tailend of this month and I know how such systems love this part of the world at this time of the year.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Like I've said before, I refuse to believe anyone enjoys wet and windy weather no matter what they say. 


 


Mind you, if it continued all winter at the expense of any cold then I'd be happy, even though I don't like wet and windy weather either. 


Charmhills
11 October 2014 10:40:40



The 6h GFS (backed to a certain extent by the 0h ECM) certainly shows a very, very wet (and, at time, pretty wild) spell on the way for most of the UK, although the worst is showing to hit to the far north. For now.


Originally Posted by: idj20 



I hope those who were wishing for a change in our weather are going to be happy.

Does look rather changeable for the foreseeable future, but here at this South East corner it may not be all that bad - unless we go onto having a repeat of St Jude as go into the tail end of this month and I know how such systems love this part of the world at this time of the year.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Ian for the last time wishing has no effect on our weather please understand that!


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Matty H
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11 October 2014 10:42:42




The 6h GFS (backed to a certain extent by the 0h ECM) certainly shows a very, very wet (and, at time, pretty wild) spell on the way for most of the UK, although the worst is showing to hit to the far north. For now.


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 



I hope those who were wishing for a change in our weather are going to be happy.

Does look rather changeable for the foreseeable future, but here at this South East corner it may not be all that bad - unless we go onto having a repeat of St Jude as go into the tail end of this month and I know how such systems love this part of the world at this time of the year.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Ian for the last time wishing has no effect on our weather please understand that!

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Eh? He didn't say it does 


Osprey
11 October 2014 14:53:36




The 6h GFS (backed to a certain extent by the 0h ECM) certainly shows a very, very wet (and, at time, pretty wild) spell on the way for most of the UK, although the worst is showing to hit to the far north. For now.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I hope those who were wishing for a change in our weather are going to be happy.

Does look rather changeable for the foreseeable future, but here at this South East corner it may not be all that bad - unless we go onto having a repeat of St Jude as go into the tailend of this month and I know how such systems love this part of the world at this time of the year.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Like I've said before, I refuse to believe anyone enjoys wet and windy weather no matter what they say. 


 


Mind you, if it continued all winter at the expense of any cold then I'd be happy, even though I don't like wet and windy weather either. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Oh, I dunno! Penpushers seem to love this wet weather......................... From the inside of a warm office!


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Stormchaser
11 October 2014 22:13:25

http://www.sat24.com/en/eu?ir=true


The storm system for tomorrow evening is looking a bit potent right now... latest Euro4 run brings the rain right to the heart of England:


Precipitation EURO4 Su 12.10.2014 03 GMT


WRF is very similar. Worthy of keeping a close eye on.


We may then see a bit of a respite with some reasonably warm temperatures and less in the way of rain for a few days, before the Atlantic looks likely to take another swipe at us - though UKMO hints that this could take a little longer than ECM and GFS would have us believe.


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T-Max: 30.2°C 9th Sep (...!) | T-Min: -7.1°C 22nd & 23rd Jan | Wettest Day: 25.9mm 2nd Nov | Ice Days: 1 (2nd Dec -1.3°C in freezing fog)
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Medlock Vale Weather
11 October 2014 22:40:17

That's a very nice cold pool out east 



Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
Quantum
11 October 2014 23:15:49


That's a very nice cold pool out east 



Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Its extremely unusual, I know this hasn't happened since at least 2005, perhaps someone could confirm the last time such a large cold pool existed so close at this time of year. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
12 October 2014 07:46:24



That's a very nice cold pool out east 



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Its extremely unusual, I know this hasn't happened since at least 2005, perhaps someone could confirm the last time such a large cold pool existed so close at this time of year. 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


1994 is remarkably similar. http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1994/Rrea00219941019.gif 


As it happens that Autumn / Winter saw the warmest November - February period on record for the CET area at 6.95C.



1999 also has a large cool pool to the east http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/archive/ra/1999/Rrea00219991019.gif

GIBBY
12 October 2014 07:52:05

Good morning folks. Every Sunday when possible I try to give an even greater in depth text view at the charts and what they herald for the up and coming two weeks for the UK. Here's this morning's account.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Gavin P
12 October 2014 08:52:53


Good morning folks. Every Sunday when possible I try to give an even greater in depth text view at the charts and what they herald for the up and coming two weeks for the UK. Here's this morning's account.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 


That's really good Martin.


I've shared your website with my Facebook and Twitter followers.


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