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Snowfan
27 October 2014 23:32:20





I've just added in 6 hour plots for the full GEFS tmin - tmax 2m temperature spread. These are available on the GEFS option on the chart viewer.


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


Each GEFS run as well as the control and op runs have 2 lines on the plot, one for min and one for max forecast temperatures. The thick white lines are the mean min and max values. 


 



Originally Posted by: Gooner 


This looks great to me - a definite downward trend, which is ideal for the time of year. Not sub-zero yet perhaps (except for a few outliers) but that's just about right for early Nov; I have hopes of a chilly if not frosty Bonfire Night, which is just the way it should be! 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


I don't know why your drooling at those, they're absolutely horrendus from a snow point of view. They end still above average lol 


Originally Posted by: Snowfan 


Im not sure Snowfan is looking for Snow, more for just some decent early Novemberish weather


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


Exactly - cool, crisp, autumnal weather is always worth drooling about, especially after a summer like this year's! After a month of hot, sticky weather I get totally fed up with it! Here's hoping the downward trend of temps will continue as we head thru Nov and Dec..... 


"Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow! "
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Quantum
28 October 2014 00:15:20






I've just added in 6 hour plots for the full GEFS tmin - tmax 2m temperature spread. These are available on the GEFS option on the chart viewer.


http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/datmdlout.aspx


Each GEFS run as well as the control and op runs have 2 lines on the plot, one for min and one for max forecast temperatures. The thick white lines are the mean min and max values. 


 



Originally Posted by: Snowfan 


This looks great to me - a definite downward trend, which is ideal for the time of year. Not sub-zero yet perhaps (except for a few outliers) but that's just about right for early Nov; I have hopes of a chilly if not frosty Bonfire Night, which is just the way it should be! 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


I don't know why your drooling at those, they're absolutely horrendus from a snow point of view. They end still above average lol 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Im not sure Snowfan is looking for Snow, more for just some decent early Novemberish weather


Originally Posted by: Snowfan 


 


Exactly - cool, crisp, autumnal weather is always worth drooling about, especially after a summer like this year's! After a month of hot, sticky weather I get totally fed up with it! Here's hoping the downward trend of temps will continue as we head thru Nov and Dec..... 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm actually quite enjoying it! Its no secret I hate summer because of how warm it is, but this extended psedo-summer is perfect because its so pleasantly warm without the day-star of July. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Charmhills
28 October 2014 07:54:25

Some interesting runs around this morning with all sorts of different solutions on offer in fi.


 


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
GIBBY
28 October 2014 08:20:02

As Duane has said a concoction of options available this morning in the longer term but as yet nothing particularly out of context to the season we are in is shown. Here is my website report today.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis%282859336%29.htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Jiries
28 October 2014 12:02:44

19C on Saturday 1st November?  Very interesting to see if 20C can be reached in here as it never recorded 20C in November since I been recording temps as the highest was 19.2C.  Good for last grass cut before light rain come in the evening and temps goes down as November progress.  Great October so far with warmth and also some bonus summery warmth on my few days trip to Germany recently.

Solar Cycles
28 October 2014 12:14:12

It's looking very mundane for the next two weeks at least with any worthwhile weather being reserved for NW Scotland for the majority of this period. That's until our friend the PV gets organised, then we'll be moaning about how wet it is.

Saint Snow
28 October 2014 12:18:07

That's until our friend the PV gets organised, then we'll be moaning about how wet it is.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


 


Not if the PV takes up winter residence in Siberia...



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Quantum
28 October 2014 12:45:40

Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Jonesy
28 October 2014 13:20:48


Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


or B*llsh*t laughing


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nsrobins
28 October 2014 16:56:52


Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Being a medical person PV is an abbreviation for a particular examination or administration of medicines and is short for 'Per Vaginus'.
There is also PR (Per Rectum) which may be a more appropriate way to describe the current output


Neil
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Jive Buddy
28 October 2014 17:58:23



Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Being a medical person PV is an abbreviation for a particular examination or administration of medicines and is short for 'Per Vaginus'.
There is also PR (Per Rectum) which may be a more appropriate way to describe the current output


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


There's also a similar abbreviation in meteorology for failed outcomes: TV (Titticus Verticus)


It's not over, until the fat Scandy sinks.....

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Gooner
28 October 2014 18:08:28

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn31217.gif


Some better temps on offer much further down the line


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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Banbury
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Charmhills
28 October 2014 18:10:55




Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 


Being a medical person PV is an abbreviation for a particular examination or administration of medicines and is short for 'Per Vaginus'.
There is also PR (Per Rectum) which may be a more appropriate way to describe the current output


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


There's also a similar abbreviation in meteorology for failed outcomes: TV (Titticus Verticus)


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Or tits up for short.


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Bugglesgate
28 October 2014 19:44:56





Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Being a medical person PV is an abbreviation for a particular examination or administration of medicines and is short for 'Per Vaginus'.
There is also PR (Per Rectum) which may be a more appropriate way to describe the current output


Originally Posted by: Jive Buddy 


There's also a similar abbreviation in meteorology for failed outcomes: TV (Titticus Verticus)


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Or tits up for short.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 ^^^   GB - Gordon Bennett 


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Osprey
28 October 2014 19:51:51


Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Okay Q - PVx OK ?


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LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
28 October 2014 20:02:12

 The Weather Outlook is continued NW SE Split and the SE plus South being closer to High Pressure and mild.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
28 October 2014 21:18:33

Clearly nothing exciting going on judging by the nature of the posts in this thread today!


Well actually there is something interesting to talk about and that is temperature date records.


We just missed out on a date record for temperature today. Warmest place was Church Lawford with 19.9C. Date record for 28 Oct is 20.6C


Looking ahead we will almost certainly see a date record on Friday and possibly also Saturday of this week.


After a cooler day tomorrow warm upper air starts to move back in from the south. The 10C isotherm arrives on the south coast during Thursday. The following links are from the high res NMM model


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014102812/nmmuk-16-50-0.png?28-18


2m temperatures widely exceed 19C in a large area of SE England. The date record for 30 Oct is 21.0C so not likely to be breached I think.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014102812/nmmuk-0-50-0.png?28-18


By Friday the upper air temperatures reach 12C across Southern England and above 10C quite widely across the UK.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014102812/nmmuk-16-72-0.png?28-18


The model only runs out to 12z on Friday. But even at that stage 2m temperatures are expected to have exceeded 20C in a number of places. So expect a few places to hit 21C or more on Friday. The date record for 31 Oct is 19.4C and goes back to 1968. This record will certainly fall.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014102812/nmmuk-0-72-0.png?28-18


Cooler air starts to move in on Saturday but the south-east should just cling on to the warmer air for one more day. Temperatures could still reach 19-20C on Saturday I think. The date record for 1 Nov is 19.7C so this could be broken. The warmest November day on record is 21.7C on 4 Nov 1946. This record is very unlikely to fall I think but we could see something over 20C on Saturday.


So some interesting and probably record breaking weather to come in the south over the next few days.


 

picturesareme
28 October 2014 22:42:46
Not that it has any baring as an omen to our coming winter but.... that november record back in 1946 preceded one hell of a snowy winter 🙂
Medlock Vale Weather
28 October 2014 22:45:10

Not that it has any baring as an omen to our coming winter but.... that november record back in 1946 preceded one hell of a snowy winter 🙂

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Yes and that Winter did not "begin" proper until after the 21st January. Bet people thought after mid January the worst of Winter was behind them 


Alan in Medlock Valley - Oldham's frost hollow. 103 metres above sea level.
What is a frost hollow? http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/reports/wxfacts/Frost-hollow.htm 
picturesareme
28 October 2014 22:50:48


Not that it has any baring as an omen to our coming winter but.... that november record back in 1946 preceded one hell of a snowy winter 🙂

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Yes and that Winter did not "begin" proper until after the 21st January. Bet people thought after mid January the worst of Winter was behind them 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Well i hope it starts proper a lot earlier this time round.. ideally on the evening of the 5th of December with bands of heavy snow pushing into northeast England  

Quantum
28 October 2014 23:26:44



Just a quick point to everyone, we really should not be abbreviating Polar vortex as 'PV' because PV is already an accepted abbreviation in meterology for potential vorcitiy which is something completely different. Its a little bit like abbreviating baby sitter as 'BS'. 


Originally Posted by: Osprey 


Okay Q - PVx OK ?


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I honestly don't know, I'm sticking to "polar vortex" its also more helpful to newer members that perhaps don't know what it is. Also I will find a way to actually use PV in an appropriate context of a model output discussion; although admittedly its not exactly the most intuitive of parameters to understand. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Scandy 1050 MB
29 October 2014 05:49:27

Mods - sorry as it's probably the wrong area, but I know this is likely of general interest - NOAA is back online this morning. Snow cover wise there's been a bit of a reduction Scandinavia wise but holding on in the far north:


 


http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/ims_gif/DATA/cursnow_asiaeurope.gif


 


And SST wise interesting developments; the cold pool in the Atlantic just won't go away and we have cooler water taking a chunk out of the warm water off the coast of Alaska which is no bad thing. Developments off the coast of south America too El Nino wise - all very interesting.


http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.10.27.2014.gif


 


Look forward to the video on that one Gavin, a lot to discuss.


 


Model output wise looks like ECM and GEM are going for a wet and cool end to the week next week though the latest ECM run isn't out yet at the time of writing. All FI though so could change and GFS quicker to raise pressure than the other models once the system has gone through.


 

nsrobins
29 October 2014 07:24:30

All about date records to end the week as the only genuine shock on Halloween could be the date record going. 21C possible IMO in places.


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
GIBBY
29 October 2014 08:44:10

A very mixed bag from the outputs this morning ut not without some interest. Here is my take on things from my website this morning.


http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/NEW-Model-Analysis%282859336%29.htm


Martin G
Kilmersdon Radstock Bath Somerset



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Charmhills
29 October 2014 09:32:02

The ECM yet again looking very unsettled as is the GEM and increasingly the Met/o runs to.


Lows heading more on a southern track with time and much cooler if not colder to.





Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.

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