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The Beast from the East
05 December 2014 10:24:55

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014120506/gfsnh-0-174.png?6


Quite a bit different.


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The Beast from the East
05 December 2014 10:27:06

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014120506/gfsnh-1-186.png?6


Interesting to see where this sits in the ensembles


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Russwirral
05 December 2014 10:29:23


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014120506/gfsnh-0-174.png?6


Quite a bit different.


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


Thats very interesting when you combine it with this forecast from the Met/Beeb last night for next week:


 


http://www.bbc.com/weather/feeds/30340180


 


Sounds like theres something brewing for next week which hasnt yet presented itself on the charts...


jondg14
05 December 2014 10:37:37


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014120506/gfsnh-1-186.png?6


Interesting to see where this sits in the ensembles


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


It will be. A very different looking run with that big Siberian high breweing that some are touting. Could be the start of something akin to the ECM clusters that Matt Hugo tweeted last night. We'll see though as the mobile weather over the next week is certain and the best we can expect beyond that for now is volatile model output.

Stormchaser
05 December 2014 10:40:37

 



Really some strong trends showing up on the CFS, all the runs seem to be showing something interesting now. They all manage blocking of some description by the end of the year but some go a good deal further than that and somewhat sooner (blocking generally beginning sometime between the 20th and the new year). The most recent CFS run has cold Nerly by xmas and the beast from the east by the start of January, and its a real screamer on this particular run. 


In fact (and I'm not exaggerating) this is the coldest run I have ever seen on the CFS. 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That's a huge flip from what was a persistent tendency across the preceding three days to bombard the UK with Atlantic storms until a reformation of the polar vortex to the NW of the UK.


Goes to show you can never put much faith in that model even when it's consistent for several days.


 


Now, on to the morning output... I'm going to focus on the output following the consensus solution regarding the U.S. low which is ECM/UKMO/GEM as opposed to GFS.


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Both the ECM 00z op run (above) and the GEM 00z op run (below) show low pressure favouring a position just NE of the UK out to day 7 or 8.


ECM absorbs the U.S. low into the midweek trough and maintains it as a gradually weakening feature, while GEM bombs it out but not before the midweek trough has 'captured' it i.e. directed the jet such that the storm is drawn to the UK rather than heading NE.


Both models then show the jet digging further south, towards the Mediterranean. This looks like a response to a combination of the steadily increasing heights over the U.S. (looks like a major blocking high) and the disruptive influence of the Siberian High.


This is all good for maintaining two strong areas of blocking that can drive wave breaking into the strat. Really it's no wonder that Matt Hugo, among others, are reporting significant strat. warming events at the longer range.


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So what about GFS then? Well, it's transport of the U.S. low NE as a deep trough is only temporary, with a route towards the UK soon following, which brings it close to the ECM/GEM output. The main difference is that the jet hasn't been able to track so far south across Europe within the next 10 days, instead taking until day 16 to get as far as the others have it by day 10. 


The good news is, this doesn't prevent the Siberian High from doing it's work, and despite lacking the U.S. block that ECM and GFS have, the increasingly strong warming is still present for days 10-16.


You can already see the strat. vortex beginning to stretch at the end of the run as the warming takes effect:


Netweather GFS Image


 


After a long run of rather tedious model output, things are finally starting to look up if you like the idea of a cold end to the year or start to the New Year.


I will admit that my original idea of mid-late December cold, with a good chance of encompassing the Big Day itself, now looks to be a bit fast. That's largely due to a persistent low in precisely the wrong part of the Arctic which has prevented the Siberian High from driving wave breaking for the past week or so. Good thing it's on the way out! 


 


Briefly on the MJO - it could still give an extra boost, though perhaps not by much, with the consensus now showing a phase 7-8 path but at increasingly low amplitude. GEFS continues to show a more amplified MJO and ECMF has trended that way so who knows... but at the moment it looks as if it may spend the crucial period close to neutral, having not much of a say in things after all.


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tallyho_83
05 December 2014 10:42:04


 


 


Thats very interesting when you combine it with this forecast from the Met/Beeb last night for next week:


 


http://www.bbc.com/weather/feeds/30340180


 


Sounds like theres something brewing for next week which hasnt yet presented itself on the charts...


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


She did say I quote "Every low pressure bringing in slightly colder air with it!"


Least it's NOT purely the SW winds and low pressure coming in from the SW - I guess that Atlantic high is a good thing after all.


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Russwirral
05 December 2014 10:48:56
Maunder Minimum
05 December 2014 10:54:38


I've seen colder. Every winter charts are posted up and tagged as "the coldest ever". Maybe one day they'll actually materialise. Maybe this winter eh? Maybe not. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


Given developments in the Strat forecasts, is it worthwhile having a dedicated strat warming thread, as we have in the past?


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Brian Gaze
05 December 2014 10:58:07

A few more runs like this should generate interest for the Xmas period.  



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Jonesy
05 December 2014 10:59:48


A few more runs like this should generate interest for the Xmas period.  



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I'm looking forward to your next White XMas update Brian, your views against the computer etc...should be interesting 


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tallyho_83
05 December 2014 11:02:23
Shall I take this as a pinch of salt??

Some very mild if not warm day time temps by 19th Dec:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn37217.gif 


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Jonesy
05 December 2014 11:03:50

FI but the famous (cough) GFS weather type chart looks interesting for Sat 13th 


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=gfs&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=rart&HH=186&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD=


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Solar Cycles
05 December 2014 11:28:26


A few more runs like this should generate interest for the Xmas period.  



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Best get them servers in tip top condition then Brian😛

Whether Idle
05 December 2014 11:37:25


A few more runs like this should generate interest for the Xmas period.  



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Hmmm.


If I could post the 850s linked to that FI chart I would, but the lack of any deep cold on the 850 chart on the winter solstice on the 6z GFS is quite shocking.  A good job that as the days grow longer the cold grows stronger, and that its deep FI.


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kmoorman
05 December 2014 11:58:16
Underwhelmed.... That's the word I'd use

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Russwirral
05 December 2014 12:38:33

Snow rows up to 22 for the 10th December for Liverpool.....15th december now starting to ramp up too...


 


 


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Polar Low
05 December 2014 12:44:59

Lets hope his here really soon!!


 



 


 


 


 


 



Snow rows up to 22 for the 10th December for Liverpool.....15th december now starting to ramp up too...


 


 


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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 

Jonesy
05 December 2014 12:45:45


Snow rows up to 22 for the 10th December for Liverpool.....15th december now starting to ramp up too...


 


 


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Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


I noticed the GEFS for London has put it upto 20% Sunday into Monday http://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?ext=1&x=306&y=141&ville=Londres


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05 December 2014 12:49:27


 


Given developments in the Strat forecasts, is it worthwhile having a dedicated strat warming thread, as we have in the past?


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


To be honest, there's seems to be a be a new critical forecast criteria every other week at the moment, so important as this is, not in isolation, I'm not sure it warrant it's own thread right now. Will discuss it and review though. 


Gavin P
05 December 2014 13:42:57

Hi all,


Here's today's video update (look away now if you don't like Start talk  )


A look at the Strat + JMA Friday + BCC Update + More....


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


 


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David M Porter
05 December 2014 14:27:06


A few more runs like this should generate interest for the Xmas period.  



Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Nice!


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kmoorman
05 December 2014 14:40:57


Hi all,


Here's today's video update (look away now if you don't like Start talk  )


A look at the Strat + JMA Friday + BCC Update + More....


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


Very good - looks like a pretty wintry period coming up in the North and tantalizing hints for the New Year.


 


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Medlock Vale Weather
05 December 2014 14:53:00

Feeling hopeful - up to 85% chance here 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/runs/2014120506/graphe6_1000_250_41___.gif


 


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Gooner
05 December 2014 15:21:27


Hi all,


Here's today's video update (look away now if you don't like Start talk  )


A look at the Strat + JMA Friday + BCC Update + More....


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


Good update Gav


 


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