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Tim A
26 December 2014 23:04:13
Snow starting to get lighter now , still 0.0c. 3cm seems average depth bit less on roads and pavement. Think it wont last much longer now. Happy with this and means 2014 wasnt snow free after all. Gfs and Nmm were most accurate for here with met office computer forecasts only coming on board with the snow threat last minute.
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Caz
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26 December 2014 23:04:46


we have at least 12cm and its still coming down.


Originally Posted by: Snowfairy 

We have a good 10cm and counting.  It's still coming down fast but the flakes are not as big now and the temp has fallen to -1.6c. 


I doubt local trains will be running tomorrow because it's the 'wrong kind of snow', the sort that really sticks.  Telephone lines are an inch thick with snow and we have a local power line down, which has caused several blips in electricity during the past hour.  My son's girlfriend is stuck at the country hotel where she works but the night manager can't get in either so she's having to provide night cover. 


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CAPE-steve
26 December 2014 23:16:20

Just over 15cm here and snowing moderately, although as Caz says much smaller flakes now. Very sticky snow blanketing tree branches and washing lines. Looks epic out there!


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peeps in west oxon
26 December 2014 23:16:45
Local weather stations saying temp is 0 deg C and Dp is 0 Deg C . Still snowing heavily. Trying to get some pics....😊.
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PolarLow
26 December 2014 23:25:09
We have a level 14cm here in low lying parts of Sheffield and several more cm higher up. My daughter has had to abandon her car and walk 2 miles. She saw a tree blocking a major road having come down under weight of snow.

Very much underplayed by the Met Office for this part of the world. Disappointing.
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Zubzero
26 December 2014 23:28:00

We have a level 14cm here in low lying parts of Sheffield and several more cm higher up. My daughter has had to abandon her car and walk 2 miles. She saw a tree blocking a major road having come down under weight of snow.

Very much underplayed by the Met Office for this part of the world. Disappointing.

Originally Posted by: PolarLow 


How was it when the warning says 10-15cm 


"


There is the risk of 10-15 cm, even at low levels, with parts of the north and east Midlands, the south Pennines and the Peak District being most at risk"
Darren S
26 December 2014 23:30:05


Just over 15cm here and snowing moderately, although as Caz says much smaller flakes now. Very sticky snow blanketing tree branches and washing lines. Looks epic out there!


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Originally Posted by: CAPE-steve 


 


Great to see you posting again, Steve! 


(I've still yet to see a flake since early 2013)


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Gooner
26 December 2014 23:36:10


Rain cleared about 7pm. Currently +9C and drizzle. Nice balmy evening as forecast.


Sorry off topic


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


I think the Met got the Eastward extent of the mild air slightly wrong , 7.3c here


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NeilM
26 December 2014 23:36:25

Rained for a couple of hours, then had a couple of hours of moderate snow, then turned back to rain, currently very drizzly sleety rain, have very patchy snow left on the grass, but nothing elsewhere.


The main snow belt stayed a bit further north than Birmingham, just as some models were suggesting.


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nsrobins
26 December 2014 23:39:37


 


How was it when the warning says 10-15cm 


"


There is the risk of 10-15 cm, even at low levels, with parts of the north and east Midlands, the south Pennines and the Peak District being most at risk"

Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


Totally agree. Some of the criticism the MetO get in situations like this is a joke. Read the text of the warning issued earlier and the updated one and it clearly states 'up to 15cm', with the areas slightly adjusted North in line with the real time developments.
If someone can provide a reason as to why they find the warnings 'dissapointing' then I'll be happy to reconsider. In the meantime can I suggest when making decisions to travel from A to B in an area covered by a weather warning to actually read the details.


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Saint Snow
26 December 2014 23:43:37

Stopped raining here, but much damage done to the snow cover


Temp fell steadily to 0.6c by 10pm'ish, but has been climbing since, now up to 1.4c. Presumably one of those infernal mild sectors.




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Zubzero
26 December 2014 23:47:35


 


I think the Met got the Eastward extent of the mild air slightly wrong , 7.3c here


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Shows up well on the dew point chart


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014122618/nmm_uk1-18-4-0.png?26-23


 

Darren S
26 December 2014 23:52:09


 


Shows up well on the dew point chart


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2014122618/nmm_uk1-18-4-0.png?26-23


 


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


That looks slightly wrong as the temperature is 6C lower than us to the west in Cirencester. 2C there, 8C here. This map shows it warmer to the west.


Darren
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2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Snowfairy
26 December 2014 23:55:13

Still falling here, really didn't expect to get the amount we have. Snow play day tomorrow


Steady
27 December 2014 00:01:42


 


How was it when the warning says 10-15cm 


"


There is the risk of 10-15 cm, even at low levels, with parts of the north and east Midlands, the south Pennines and the Peak District being most at risk"

Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


 


ok but honestly I understand. I have also been stuck and had to abandon the car along with my neighbours and others as well. All roads are covered in snow in Sheffield. The council doesn't seem to have heeded any warning but I actually feel a amber warning was justified. Agree it was a localised affair but honestly Sheffield is a city full of abandoned cars and people walking with kids and shopping bags.


There are about 15cms of snow and the wind has picked up, snow is still falling thick and fast....a little less than before however.


The depth is even on the lower parts of the city.


what a great event for our city and the surrounding areas.  But i do say an amber would have been justified.


 


 


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Zubzero
27 December 2014 00:08:33


 


 


ok but honestly I understand. I have also been stuck and had to abandon the car along with my neighbours and others as well. All roads are covered in snow in Sheffield. The council doesn't seem to have heeded any warning but I actually feel a amber warning was justified. Agree it was a localised affair but honestly Sheffield is a city full of abandoned cars and people walking with kids and shopping bags.


There are about 15cms of snow and the wind has picked up, snow is still falling thick and fast....a little less than before however.


The depth is even on the lower parts of the city.


what a great event for our city and the surrounding areas.  But i do say an amber would have been justified.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Steady 


Would an amber warning made much difference, when most chose to ignore what the yellow warning said and still travel anyway?


There is a cold weather alert also from the met office pointing out the risk of snow and ice


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/cold-weather-alert/#?tab=coldWeatherAlert 

Steady
27 December 2014 00:42:52


 


Would an amber warning made much difference, when most chose to ignore what the yellow warning said and still travel anyway?


There is a cold weather alert also from the met office pointing out the risk of snow and ice


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/cold-weather-alert/#?tab=coldWeatherAlert 


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


yes I think it would have.....an amber is take action whilst yellow is be aware. Maybe the council would have done more gritting and prep before and owing to past experiance me and my wife say we will never venture out in an amber snow warning. Not a huge deal but I stick by the Sheffield folk here and their views.


 


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martk1972
27 December 2014 01:47:32

A winter wonderland out there, 15cm of snow here. Lovely


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Caz
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27 December 2014 07:20:04

I wasn't expecting quite as much snow but that's the British weather for you and snow isn't the easiest to forecast accurately!  Looks really lovely though.  Nottinghamshire and Sheffield are being shown on Sky news and it looks like our neck of the woods has taken the brunt of it with many roads packed with abandoned cars. 


It does make me wonder how the reporters manage to get to the scene of roads packed with abandoned cars, then they warn that people should stay at home rather than try to drive anywhere! 


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PolarLow
27 December 2014 08:15:44

It's certainly a winter wonderland out there this morning. I still maintain that if we're going to have these colour-coded warnings to make it simpler for the public, we should be using them. There is a good argument to say last night should even have had a red warning (danger to life). If that tree I mentioned in an earlier post had come down while a car had been driving past it would have killed somebody. And having worked in Barnsley hospital I can tell you that some people don't know what "10-15 cm" even means.  Sheffield is littered with abandoned cars and buses this morning.


 


 


 


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nsrobins
27 December 2014 08:36:02

Yes on reflection it looks like some areas should have been upgraded to amber and indeed the forecaster's view that accompanied the updated yellow warning suggested an amber may be required but by then the snow had already developed. There was however plenty of information and detail highlighting the risk of heavy snow, and the people who lampooned the posters on NW who talked about 15cm on hills should, although the area worst affected was quite compact,  be apologising.

To exclude members of weather forums for a moment (because active members of discussion groups should really have no excuse) and just think about the general public and the criticism they might have as they think about retrieving their abandoned cars from the Glossop Rd or Arnold High St, maybe the Met Office need to think again how information is disseminated at short notice when the severity of events increases at short notice. Otherwise a reminder to take notice of the actual words used in the warnings on broadcast and internet output may be in order.


As we have seen and debated countless times, the wording and detail of these warnings and indeed text forecasts is considered carefully and updated if necessary. SOmetimes however the weather will have the last word.


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Caz
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27 December 2014 08:37:34


It's certainly a winter wonderland out there this morning. I still maintain that if we're going to have these colour-coded warnings to make it simpler for the public, we should be using them. There is a good argument to say last night should even have had a red warning (danger to life). If that tree I mentioned in an earlier post had come down while a car had been driving past it would have killed somebody. And having worked in Barnsley hospital I can tell you that some people don't know what "10-15 cm" even means.  Sheffield is littered with abandoned cars and buses this morning. 


Originally Posted by: PolarLow 


I do agree about the colour coded warnings and I think last night should have had at least an amber warning for this area.  10 - 15cm of snow falling in such a short time onto un-gritted roads is bound to cause a lot of disruption.


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Caz
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27 December 2014 08:49:54


Yes on reflection it looks like some areas should have been upgraded to amber and indeed the forecaster's view that accompanied the updated yellow warning suggested an amber may be required but by then the snow had already developed. There was however plenty of information and detail highlighting the risk of heavy snow, and the people who lampooned the posters on NW who talked about 15cm on hills should, although the area worst affected was quite compact,  be apologising.

To exclude members of weather forums for a moment (because active members of discussion groups should really have no excuse) and just think about the general public and the criticism they might have as they think about retrieving their abandoned cars from the Glossop Rd or Arnold High St, maybe the Met Office need to think again how information is disseminated at short notice when the severity of events increases at short notice. Otherwise a reminder to take notice of the actual words used in the warnings on broadcast and internet output may be in order.


As we have seen and debated countless times, the wording and detail of these warnings and indeed text forecasts is considered carefully and updated if necessary. SOmetimes however the weather will have the last word.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

A sensible post.  Mistakes are there to be learnt from and we all know how unpredictable the weather can be, especially when it comes to snow.  The problem is the general public know no better. 


I wonder how local authorities were informed of last night's forecast?  We haven't seen any gritters on our local roads, though of course it was Boxing Day, a Bank Holiday for local authority staff and no doubt for Met Office staff.  But as we were only in a yellow warning area, it didn't seem necessary to take action and by the time it was apparent we were going to suffer disruption, it would have been too late to try to get staff out to drive the gritters.


I think the biggest problem was that snow fell so quickly and caught a lot of people unawares.


 


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Retron
27 December 2014 08:57:13


10 - 15cm of snow falling in such a short time onto un-gritted roads is bound to cause a lot of disruption.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


10-15cm of snow falling in such a short time on gritted roads would also cause a lot of disruption!


There is a general view that grit is a miracle substance that stops snow from settling and roads from icing up, no matter how low the temperatures or how heavy the snow...


 


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27 December 2014 09:06:53
Slight thaw overnight but it cleared to freeze the snow and slush


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