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smeeagain
28 January 2015 11:02:05
Yebbut no but yebbut....where's the breakdown?
White Meadows
28 January 2015 11:16:42
The *possible* easterly theme crops up again on the 06z I see.
I wonder if GFSP realigns to a more default westerly zonal mode as much as GFS used to when it struggles to interpret less common HP positions such as a Scandy/ Siberian block?
hobensotwo
28 January 2015 11:22:14


What are the chances of this low pressure from Monday into Tuesday next week? -Could it sweep across English Channel and if it does head northwards into southern Eng for more prolonged sleet/snow!??????


 


 


But we have always been let down so it will probably miss us and head to Channel Isles and Northern France .


 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I would be happy with that a March 2013 repeat maybe on the cards if it stays cold enough.

Gooner
28 January 2015 11:44:34


The Control is a fan of the block to the East


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Stormchaser
28 January 2015 12:06:17

After an unexpectedly hectic and challenging morning (don't worry nothing too serious), it's a big relief to discover that model support is now looking strong for the shortwave in the Atlantic not to phase with the U.S. low in four days time, with the early part of next week now looking very promising for a bit of snow thrown in with some proper Arctic cold entrenched right across the UK  


 


Then there's that easterly potential... will this one go the way of the last? The pattern seems more supportive this time around so I'm seeing reasons to be positive 


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The Beast from the East
28 January 2015 12:06:46

This cold spell looking like an Ariston special (it goes on and on). Every OP run at the moment is consistently keeping the UK in an arctic or continental influence to the end if next week.
And yes 'the' low for the SW is still there. Snow on its N flank - but where will it track?

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Majority of GEFS at Day 10 power back the Atlantic which ties in with METO longer range thoughts. Odds do not favour a Scandi or even UK high at  the moment. Northern jet is too stong


 


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warrenb
28 January 2015 12:11:33
I shall repeat what I said a few days ago. the GEFS are all based on the old GFS, so they are a little strange, as they are comparing old with new. but at a very low resolution.
Saint Snow
28 January 2015 12:13:14



The Control is a fan of the block to the East


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


Very pretty.


Question is, what would that low over western Iceland do next? Zip over the top of the SH, or slide SSE'wards over/near the UK? There's energy from it slipping both ways..



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Russwirral
28 January 2015 12:36:58


 


 


Very pretty.


Question is, what would that low over western Iceland do next? Zip over the top of the SH, or slide SSE'wards over/near the UK? There's energy from it slipping both ways..


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


I think the LP over the Mid atlantic and the one over north scandinavia will dictate where the HP goes.  With enough UMPH from the siberian LP that HP could relocate north and west towards iceland


Matty H
28 January 2015 12:49:06

Latest from Ian for this region:


 


W COUNTRY Further ahead, despite the colder weather, we currently don't forsee any real snow issues here Fri-Sun. Some uncertainty nxt week.


Solar Cycles
28 January 2015 13:00:16


Latest from Ian for this region:


 


W COUNTRY Further ahead, despite the colder weather, we currently don't forsee any real snow issues here Fri-Sun. Some uncertainty nxt week.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Wise words again from IF, though Tuesdays little feature does show a snow event for Bristol but like Ian says uncertainty going forward.

nsrobins
28 January 2015 13:04:40
The GFS op continues to plough a rather lonely furrow after the 4th Feb, with again most of the suite pushing the Atlantic back ( which the op does anyway from the 7th).
I'll say one thing - it's persistent with the three day easterly drift so the door is left open .
Loads of weather to get through before the 4th though.
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kmoorman
28 January 2015 13:14:27

The GFS op continues to plough a rather lonely furrow after the 4th Feb, with again most of the suite pushing the Atlantic back ( which the op does anyway from the 7th).
I'll say one thing - it's persistent with the three day easterly drift so the door is left open .
Loads of weather to get through before the 4th though.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Yep - lots of potential. 


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I'm hoping the 'weather' we need to get though includes at least a little snow, and would it be too much to ask for some settling?


The upper air temps seem better late Sunday into Monday down here, so hopefully that low Tuesday will deliver for the snow starved South.


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Rob K
28 January 2015 13:34:39
Well it is already sleeting here in London with uppers only -3C or so (according to the models) so that bodes well for later!
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Stormchaser
28 January 2015 13:36:29

With GEFS still running on old code, hopefully they are displaying a strong case of the bias to power up the northern jet too fast and too far, with the upgraded op run managing to steer clear of such behaviour.


Either that or higher resolution is proving very important.


Or a bit of both!


 


Tricky times, but I am seeing some indications on the technical side of things (based on trends in GWO/AAM projections for example) that the pattern should be reluctant to move on from where we are early next week. As ever, that does depend on those trends being correct, so I reckon it's best not to pin hopes on much beyond Monday/Tuesday, to be safe.


Having the Thursday-Tuesday period laden with so many opportunities for a bit of white precipitation should give us plenty to keep track of while the direction later next week gets sorted out 


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Stormchaser
28 January 2015 13:44:15

Well it is already sleeting here in London with uppers only -3C or so (according to the models) so that bodes well for later!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I notice the dew points have fallen off a cliff sooner than the past few NMM high-res runs have shown. Of all the models I would like to see getting it wrong over the coming few days, NMM is the one, with it's persistently higher dew point projections and insistence on not even one flake falling IMBY.


Euro4, WRF-ARW, GFS and the TV forecasts from the BBC all give areas from around Reading southward at least a chance - though no real sign of anything settling, which I do consider to be realistic.


At least it's easy to take a relaxed approach at the moment, thanks to the greater potential Saturday night through to at least Tuesday.


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ARTzeman
28 January 2015 13:51:38


Wise words again from IF, though Tuesdays little feature does show a snow event for Bristol but like Ian says uncertainty going forward.


Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

 


Tears will flow if no snow.... 😥😥😥😥😨😢😢😤






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Rob K
28 January 2015 14:02:52


 


I notice the dew points have fallen off a cliff sooner than the past few NMM high-res runs have shown. Of all the models I would like to see getting it wrong over the coming few days, NMM is the one, with it's persistently higher dew point projections and insistence on not even one flake falling IMBY.


Euro4, WRF-ARW, GFS and the TV forecasts from the BBC all give areas from around Reading southward at least a chance - though no real sign of anything settling, which I do consider to be realistic.


At least it's easy to take a relaxed approach at the moment, thanks to the greater potential Saturday night through to at least Tuesday.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Well that's now two days this winter I have seen falling snow. I am pretty optimistic of seeing at least a bit falling tonight/tomorrow morning (hopefully it will coincide with me cycling home late tonight).


Then I have a feeling Monday/Tuesday might spring a surprise or two.


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soperman
28 January 2015 15:09:52


 


Tears will flow if no snow.... 😥😥😥😥😨😢😢😤


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


 


Not from me.  Cracking cold snap 10 days ago - 4 blue sky days on the trot - it may not feel so pleasant this time with the wind but it is great walking weather.


Will miss any snow in the Chilts this weekend as will be walking the coast path from Dartmouth to Brixham and will try and pick the sunniest day. 


I can absolutely guarantee no snow there - only ever seen a sprinkle once about 3 years ago.


 


 

Quantum
28 January 2015 15:31:24

I'm in the process of updating this visualization to include other useful info. But anyway here is the lake effect potential for midnight tonight.



Values generally between 14 and 18. So the potential for some fairly hefty showers but probably nothing thundery (20C+ usually required). Possibly something a bit more interesting by the time we get to the weekend though on those very cold northerly winds...


 


No reds or yellows though unfortunately. You can still get thundersnow if all the other factors are good (sheer, fetch, inversion level) which they are, so if anything this is probably an underestimation. Also ofc if you get a feature that changes things as usual. 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Whiteout
28 January 2015 15:40:47


 


Well that's now two days this winter I have seen falling snow. I am pretty optimistic of seeing at least a bit falling tonight/tomorrow morning (hopefully it will coincide with me cycling home late tonight).


Then I have a feeling Monday/Tuesday might spring a surprise or two.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I think Ian F's tweet sums up our chancs Rob:


'A 30% chance small snow accumulations in parts of S England, e.g. Salisbury Plain; most seeing none'


You never know...


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Quantum
28 January 2015 15:41:49

Really need to watch saturday, this could be quite nasty.



2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
stophe
28 January 2015 15:56:29

This mornings ECM run was in the Middle of all the ensembles.


Girthmeister
28 January 2015 15:56:38


Really need to watch saturday, this could be quite nasty.



Originally Posted by: Quantum 


 


Giant teeth headed for Matty...

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28 January 2015 16:08:01
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