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picturesareme
01 February 2015 15:39:10


5 or 6 very cold easterlies in there maybe the Op run wasn't so drunk after all!



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


8th - 12th is either going to be cold or very springlike.

squish
01 February 2015 15:45:20
GME is the first of the 12z's out. Still very cold across the south at the end of the week

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gme/run/gmenh-0-132.png 
http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gme/run/gmenh-1-132.png 

D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
Gooner
01 February 2015 16:21:04

Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions


UKMO has the cold pooling just to the South


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
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Gooner
01 February 2015 16:25:03

Modele UKMO - Carte prévisions


South staying cold


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Nordic Snowman
01 February 2015 16:25:19


 


GFS T162


Again, highlighting the possible outcomes - as per ENS. ECM is again the most consistent and so will await with interest.


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Phil G
01 February 2015 16:25:42
Though still an easterly, some warmer sectors being modelled in this run.
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1622.gif 

Looking at differences with other models, feels like FI is beginning to shorten.

The Beast from the East
01 February 2015 16:26:24

GFS back to normal sadly, but just a question of whether the high can hold position, sink or move nw


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Nordic Snowman
01 February 2015 16:32:06


GFS back to normal sadly, but just a question of whether the high can hold position, sink or move nw


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


 


The 06z op was an outlier though (in the sense of being the most extreme in terms of temperature, rather than the overall pattern) and I am not surprised to see the 12z op revert back to the above. GEFS obviously does show support for a UK High to extend into Scandi but we have to wait and see I guess. ECM is leading the way and for now, I am having more faith in that model.


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The Beast from the East
01 February 2015 16:36:16

in the shorter term UKMO looks to have a decent easterly for the SE for a few days and perhaps some wintry potential


 


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Nordic Snowman
01 February 2015 16:36:41

Also, just to reiterate what has been said, a UK High won't mean it will be mild. Bigger diurnal ranges and with much fog/frost overnight with wide local variations  too. In other words, stable winter conditions. Many valleys could actually be much colder than now. Where the sun does pop through, then naturally day temperatures will edge back to normal.


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Retron
01 February 2015 16:39:01


GFS T162


Again, highlighting the possible outcomes - as per ENS. ECM is again the most consistent and so will await with interest.


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


The drier Continental air lingers in the south. I'd expect the short GEFS to paint a cold picture down here at the surface a week out, even if not aloft. That would fit in well with the EPS plumes from earlier today as well.



 


Leysdown, north Kent
Gooner
01 February 2015 16:41:26


Also, just to reiterate what has been said, a UK High won't mean it will be mild. Bigger diurnal ranges and with much fog/frost overnight with wide local variations  too. In other words, stable winter conditions. Many valleys could actually be much colder than now. Where the sun does pop through, then naturally day temperatures will edge back to normal.


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Very good point , in a few areas fog could linger all day giving sub zero days


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
01 February 2015 16:41:52

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2015020112/gem-0-90.png?12


Reasonable easterly into the SE from GEM


 


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Whether Idle
01 February 2015 16:43:41


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gem/runs/2015020112/gem-0-90.png?12


Reasonable easterly into the SE from GEM


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Taken together with the much improved UKMO for SE snow prospects, this is pleasant again.


edit just seen the GME which - to be fair from my perspective - has performed well as it retained the high centre sufficiently NW thus allowing the cold NE feed later this week whereas other like UKMO were producing flabby and ill positioned HPs.


and the NAVGEM is cold:



 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
The Beast from the East
01 February 2015 16:49:27

GFS perhaps trying to retrogress our block towards Greenland. Some energy going under at last


 


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Gooner
01 February 2015 16:50:00


Lump of a HP setting up across the UK


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
01 February 2015 16:51:52

should be a lot of frost and not too cloudy with the continental feed anyway


 


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Whether Idle
01 February 2015 16:52:20



Lump of a HP setting up across the UK


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


from here a lot of things could happen...even a proper beast later in response to the WAA up the western flank of the high


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
01 February 2015 16:53:13


The cold days continue for quite some time as per the latest Met O update


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Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


The Beast from the East
01 February 2015 16:53:52

Greece colder than greenland.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2015020112/gfsnh-1-234.png?12


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Sinky1970
01 February 2015 16:54:07

That cold air to the east looks like it may be dragged around the south of the high. Nope heading towards the balkans and Greece.

Sinky1970
01 February 2015 17:06:17
Doesn't look like this one is favourable, wait and see what the next run brings.
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
01 February 2015 17:29:49

 


The GFS and GEM, NAVGEM and the UKMO, appear very cold with low daytime maximums Thursday and Friday for Southern and SE UK parts, cold with 1025 hPa line there, lower by 5 Mbps on English Channel where more greater risk of sleet and heavy snow showers, than for South and SE UK which still could be very cold with moderate frosts night and evening and mornings, with strong very cold Scandinavian Germany Denmark Netherlands to Denmark through N France and S SE UK, inland risk is for some sleet and snow showers especially above 150 metres ahem.


 


It turns dry by Saturday but as the Mid E N Atlantic To UK High dominates on all those models at t144hrs it looks still cold especially in the Far South and SE side in UK.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
doctormog
01 February 2015 17:41:41


Greece colder than greenland.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2015020112/gfsnh-1-234.png?12


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Not really  http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=234&mode=9&carte=1


The theme for generally anticyclonic week ahead continues on the 12z output. A few people are making the mistake of thinking mild upper air (oranges on the t850hPa charts) means mild at the surface. As Mike has mentioned it could be indicative of a temperature inversion which could lead to some very chilly nights.


http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html


Whether Idle
01 February 2015 18:27:55

This is what the Indian model thought would happen to the high on its 0z run:


by day 10 there's a slack easterly and -10 uppers



Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.

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