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David M Porter
27 June 2015 21:54:05


A quick question based on the various model outputs to those much more expert than me...


What are the chances of this July being the hottest in the cet record and could we see a July cet above 20c??


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


I reckon that for that to happen, virtually the whole month would have to be exceptionally warm. July 2006 gave us not only the hottest July day on record but it also turned out to be the hottest CET month on record, coming in at (I think) 19.7 and narrowly beating the previous hottest month of July 1983 which recorded a CET of 19.5.


August 2003 was a contender to be the hottest ever up until just after the peak of the record-breaking heatwave on the 10th, but IIRC the second half of the month was quite a bit cooler then the first couple of weeks, although still predominantly settled.


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Edicius81
28 June 2015 01:46:33


A quick question based on the various model outputs to those much more expert than me...


What are the chances of this July being the hottest in the cet record and could we see a July cet above 20c??


Originally Posted by: springsunshine 


Imo, desperately unlikely. We don't just need a prolonged heatwave to achieve that,  but a prolonged and almost consistently much above average spell that fits perfectly within a calendar month. I'm fairly confident we won't break 19c for July overall, let alone a record breaking 20c+.

Muckyme
28 June 2015 04:27:55

Further downgrades and corrections East from models so far this morning so any extreme heat looking increasingly unlikely.

Matty H
28 June 2015 05:26:17

GFS similar to last night in terms of temps. UKMO not as good. 


What it looks like is we are going to get a brief spell of hotter temps, mainly in the east, but it will stay fairly warm for many if unsettled. 


What it no longer looks like is we are going to get anything extreme or prolonged hot temps. 


A run of the mill, nothing to get worked up about summer spell? But still very much appreciated. 


KevBrads1
28 June 2015 05:42:35

I look at the charts and if you looking for a good period of hot dry sunny weather, the classic summer weather, to me, the charts are actually not that brilliant in that respect.

What I mean is high pressure sat over the UK with at least a week of continuous sunny warm if not hot dry weather. Like mid July 2005. The charts are not showing that as such, the FAX charts have fronts in the west on Wednesday and they are across the country on Thursday. The GFS rainfall ensembles for Manchester are actually quite wet looking for early July.

It's going to very warm/hot but to me it's still not quite a settled spell.


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Jiries
28 June 2015 05:59:39


Further downgrades and corrections East from models so far this morning so any extreme heat looking increasingly unlikely.


Originally Posted by: Muckyme 


Look the same to me and mid 30s still on schedule as uppers of 20-21c will reach most of southern areas and not just Kent on Wed and Sat as they upgraded the heat on sat with temps expected to match of Benelux maxes up which always end up same results on my local maxes here as they always undercooked maxes here by up to 3-4c range.  Was 27c yesterday despite lower uppers which the browning landscape help to contributed higher temps. No correction east as this one is not a few hours heat type.  Be happy to see widespread 15c uppers for other areas.  

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28 June 2015 06:22:00


 


Imo, desperately unlikely. We don't just need a prolonged heatwave to achieve that,  but a prolonged and almost consistently much above average spell that fits perfectly within a calendar month. I'm fairly confident we won't break 19c for July overall, let alone a record breaking 20c+.


Originally Posted by: Edicius81 


Agree, because the cool north Atlantic which has influenced the last couple of months is still there.


Ally Pally Snowman
28 June 2015 06:54:12

Very good output this morning . 35c still possible next week in the East.


Ecm hot again. To have 20c 850s 3 days out of 4 is incredibly rare.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm722.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1202.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1442.html


Thomas Shafenaker just now saying a very long period of very warm weather coming up.


 


 


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
28 June 2015 07:03:02

very warm/hot ensembles from GFS this morning looking good for a long spell of above average temps. In years past people would hve been overjoyed by these. Not sure why so much pessimism this morning.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
28 June 2015 07:05:51

ECM has mid to high 20s in the SE day 8 and 9 and settled . A very good run.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.html


 


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White Meadows
28 June 2015 07:11:15
Funny how any continental influence is usually set further west on the models, before it happens and corrects East, same as winter.

Temps now looking more like 30 in London, 25 on the south coast, cooler further west & North. These temps reflected in met & beeb forecasts this morning.
Upgrades not likely at this proximity unfortunately.
Matty H
28 June 2015 07:15:55


very warm/hot ensembles from GFS this morning looking good for a long spell of above average temps. In years past people would hve been overjoyed by these. Not sure why so much pessimism this morning.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


For my part there seems to be around 4 or 5 days of higher 850s before they drop back to current levels we are experiencing. Also looks very unsettled as Kevin has mentioned above. This isn't going to be a sunny and hot spell of weather for quite a few. 


Still happy to accept it though. 


Stormchaser
28 June 2015 07:25:48
A deliberately vague summary (details not worth it yet):

A hot sultry Wednesday - scope for 32*C in the SE - with light winds, destabilising in the form of a line of convective activity, how organised is open to debate.

A fresher but still very warm Thursday, high 20's quite widely despite some thunderstorms about.

Hot air returning Friday, most notable by evening with low 30's achievable in the SE depending on cloud amounts. Seems like dry air so hopefully skies clearing nicely.

Potentially a roasting hot Saturday followed by an explosive breakdown. Depends if the models are right with the shortwave low developing so rapidly where the Atlanticn trough meets the heat plume.
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Ally Pally Snowman
28 June 2015 07:31:55


 


For my part there seems to be around 4 or 5 days of higher 850s before they drop back to current levels we are experiencing. Also looks very unsettled as Kevin has mentioned above. This isn't going to be a sunny and hot spell of weather for quite a few. 


Still happy to accept it though. 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Fair enough The Manchester ensembles are quite wet but still very warm. The East though looks much dryer.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Manchester_ens.png


 


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Rob K
28 June 2015 07:33:17

Astonished to see any talk of a "downgrade" this morning with this ensemble. It really couldn't be much better.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png

Raw output still gives 34, 30, 32, 33 for Wednesday to Saturday for London. If four days above 30C is a downgrade than let's have more of them. Remember, just five days ago there was no sign of any real heat at all!


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Ally Pally Snowman
28 June 2015 07:34:39

Funny how any continental influence is usually set further west on the models, before it happens and corrects East, same as winter.

Temps now looking more like 30 in London, 25 on the south coast, cooler further west & North. These temps reflected in met & beeb forecasts this morning.
Upgrades not likely at this proximity unfortunately.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


With 850s so high over 20c I really think 35c is possible next week. 


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picturesareme
28 June 2015 08:03:21
Down grade temperature wise by the metoffice though.

The term Very Hot has now been removed from their forecast with just very warm or hot.

Also they're forecasting showers and cloud for Wednesday.

A high of only 23C for me now on Wednesday, much lower then the 27C of yesterday.
Arcus
28 June 2015 08:05:55

Down grade temperature wise by the metoffice though.

The term Very Hot has now been removed from their forecast with just very warm or hot.

Also they're forecasting showers and cloud for Wednesday.

A high of only 23C for me now on Wednesday, much lower then the 27C of yesterday.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


.. and an upgrade for me. Yesterday MetO for Wednesday showing 25c, today 29c. Swings and roundabouts.


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picturesareme
28 June 2015 08:30:25
The temperature figures on their own are likely to change as they're automated, but its the change in wording on the written forecast that is most notable.

Typically the term hot when used in forecasts in the southeast during summer normally means 30-31C.
Retron
28 June 2015 08:38:26
0z ECM ensembles. One hot day (Wednesday) and a reasonable chance of another hot day on Friday and/or Saturday.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2d7zl37.jpg 
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Andy Woodcock
28 June 2015 08:51:56
It's turning into another North/South split with a two day warm spell here and a quick return to more unsettled conditions by the weekend.


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Gooner
28 June 2015 09:01:13

Down grade temperature wise by the metoffice though.

The term Very Hot has now been removed from their forecast with just very warm or hot.

Also they're forecasting showers and cloud for Wednesday.

A high of only 23C for me now on Wednesday, much lower then the 27C of yesterday.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


????


Latest forecast from T Schaghljfv;ekwfnvenvker showing 33c for Wednesday ...................V Hot IMO


Chance of thunder with that humidity


 


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David M Porter
28 June 2015 09:03:49

It's turning into another North/South split with a two day warm spell here and a quick return to more unsettled conditions by the weekend.

Originally Posted by: Andy Woodcock 


If ECM & GFS have it right, it looks unlikely that this hot spell will continue anywhere beyond next Saturday, withe the whole country eventually being returned to fresher atlantic air.


It sure doesn't look like a July 2013 type hot spell, which had HP positioned firmly over the UK for a couple of weeks and allowed virtually the whole country to benefit from the excellent weather during that time.


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Gavin P
28 June 2015 09:27:36


 


If ECM & GFS have it right, it looks unlikely that this hot spell will continue anywhere beyond next Saturday, withe the whole country eventually being returned to fresher atlantic air.


It sure doesn't look like a July 2013 type hot spell, which had HP positioned firmly over the UK for a couple of weeks and allowed virtually the whole country to benefit from the excellent weather during that time.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Although a "cool down" seem's increasingly probable by Sunday, it looks like much of Europe will be staying very hot... Won't take much to build a ridge back and pump the hot air northwards again...


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2402.gif


As long as that upper ridge is through central Europe, further plume's can be expected, IMO...


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LeedsLad123
28 June 2015 09:33:35

Cool is relative as well - some forecasts show London reaching 31C again by the 9th and then mid twenties for the remainder of the period. Looks like low twenties here aster Saturday.

Either way, should still be pleasantly average at the very least with the potential for further plumes later in July.


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