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Saint Snow
18 August 2015 10:18:47


The most incredible thing for me is all summer the models have been utterly useless beyond around 72 hours. For weeks and weeks, months even, we have rarely had weather pan out three days down the line as was initially projected. What this does do is show up, again, how pointless amateur long range forecasts are, and that would stretch to pro forecasts too were it not necessary to attempt them to advance.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 


 


Yup. For a few days models were showing a settled & likely warm Saturday, with decent prospects of a dry Sunday. Out go the party invites. In comes the output with a washout Saturday evening & Sunday.


Our climate is f*****g w***.


 


 



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LeedsLad123
18 August 2015 13:49:20


 


 


Yup. For a few days models were showing a settled & likely warm Saturday, with decent prospects of a dry Sunday. Out go the party invites. In comes the output with a washout Saturday evening & Sunday.


Our climate is f*****g w***.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I like the UK climate when its average - but this summer has admittedly been a little worse than average. That's my major grievance - there's no room for error. Above average? Great! Average? Not perfect, but pleasant. Below average? Dreadful. 


Summers in places like New York are too warm for me, but at least a below average summer there is still warm.


Sometimes, I really do feel like throwing in the towel regarding the weather in this country. Nearly anywhere else in Europe would be an improvement. If we could just get a summer like the ones we had from 1990 to 2006 I'd be fine. Even last year was nice. 


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TimS
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18 August 2015 20:38:37


 


I like the UK climate when its average - but this summer has admittedly been a little worse than average. That's my major grievance - there's no room for error. Above average? Great! Average? Not perfect, but pleasant. Below average? Dreadful. 


Summers in places like New York are too warm for me, but at least a below average summer there is still warm.


Sometimes, I really do feel like throwing in the towel regarding the weather in this country. Nearly anywhere else in Europe would be an improvement. If we could just get a summer like the ones we had from 1990 to 2006 I'd be fine. Even last year was nice. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


We had some good summers in that period but some bad ones too. 1991 was nothing special, 1992 and 1993 rubbish, 1997 crap until August, 1998 terrible, 2000 and 2002 poor, and 2004 while warm ended with the wettest August of the century. Essentially we had a decent run of 3 years from 1994-1996, and another OK pair from 2005-6. Otherwise the usual rubbish British weather.


The more one looks at the stats the more it becomes clear that British summer weather is, on average, utterly rubbish.


 


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Brian Gaze
18 August 2015 20:44:03


 Sometimes, I really do feel like throwing in the towel regarding the weather in this country. Nearly anywhere else in Europe would be an improvement. If we could just get a summer like the ones we had from 1990 to 2006 I'd be fine. Even last year was nice. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


On the bright side there can't be many other places in Europe where the temperature in mid January will only be a couple of degrees lower than it was today. 


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Rob K
18 August 2015 20:44:46


 


We had some good summers in that period but some bad ones too. 1991 was nothing special, 1992 and 1993 rubbish, 1997 crap until August, 1998 terrible, 2000 and 2002 poor, and 2004 while warm ended with the wettest August of the century. Essentially we had a decent run of 3 years from 1994-1996, and another OK pair from 2005-6. Otherwise the usual rubbish British weather.


The more one looks at the stats the more it becomes clear that British summer weather is, on average, utterly rubbish.


 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


Lots of people moaning but this has been one of the most pleasant summers for a long time (IMBY of course). I've had more meals out in the garden this year than in the past three years put together. It's only in the past week that my lawn has reverted to anything approaching green. I have only had to cut it three times since May. It has been that dry.


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LeedsLad123
18 August 2015 20:49:34


 


We had some good summers in that period but some bad ones too. 1991 was nothing special, 1992 and 1993 rubbish, 1997 crap until August, 1998 terrible, 2000 and 2002 poor, and 2004 while warm ended with the wettest August of the century. Essentially we had a decent run of 3 years from 1994-1996, and another OK pair from 2005-6. Otherwise the usual rubbish British weather.


The more one looks at the stats the more it becomes clear that British summer weather is, on average, utterly rubbish.


 


Originally Posted by: TimS 


Well that clearly isn't true - unless you think a typical summer in London is rubbish, but I don't.


 


Between 1989 and 2006, only 1992, 1993, 1998 and 2000 could be described as poor. 1997 certainly wasn't crap until August - July was marginally above average. 1991 was also above average - average high here was 22.7C in July which is 1.4C above average while in August it was 22.3C which is 1.3C above average. June was a shocker though.


I think this year hasn't been great - but you seem to be the type of person who will only be happy if something like 2006 or 1995 turns up again, which is fine if that's the type of weather you prefer, but you're going to be disappointed every single year, bar a few exceptions, unless you move somewhere else.


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TimS
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18 August 2015 20:49:58
It's an interesting point Weatherfan makes about regional differences. Since the 1980s I've moved a couple of times, each time further South and East and I now live in London. So for me the average summer has got warmer and drier purely by dint of geography. Those "glorious" 1990s summers as experienced in the North West, with the probable exception of 1995, would have been cooler, cloudier and wetter than those "dire" post-2007 summers as experienced in the South East corner.

And if Aberdeen had London's July and August 2015 people would be proclaiming a glorious aberration of a summer. Yet in London it feels disappointing because we expect better. Anything under 23C and less than 3 Octas of cloud cover is disappointing down here, but 22C with sunny spells in much of the country would be perfectly acceptable.
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LeedsLad123
18 August 2015 21:04:31

It's an interesting point Weatherfan makes about regional differences. Since the 1980s I've moved a couple of times, each time further South and East and I now live in London. So for me the average summer has got warmer and drier purely by dint of geography. Those "glorious" 1990s summers as experienced in the North West, with the probable exception of 1995, would have been cooler, cloudier and wetter than those "dire" post-2007 summers as experienced in the South East corner.

And if Aberdeen had London's July and August 2015 people would be proclaiming a glorious aberration of a summer. Yet in London it feels disappointing because we expect better. Anything under 23C and less than 3 Octas of cloud cover is disappointing down here, but 22C with sunny spells in much of the country would be perfectly acceptable.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Well, duh - we all have differing benchmarks for what is deemed acceptable in summer depending on where we grew up. What a Londoner considers an acceptable summer day would be deemed cool in Paris, and what a Parisian would consider an acceptable summer day would be downright frigid for someone in Rome.


For me, I consider 20C the bare minimum for acceptable in summer, but 21C is what I usually consider the cut-off point for 'nice'.


It's all relative - but London's summers are definitely not as sunny as that. 3 Octas? You can only wish! Like all of the UK bar the south coast, every month is London registers more cloud cover than sunshine. The sunniest month in London registers only 212  hours which is only slightly more than our sunniest month which is 210 hours.


I'd say a skies  like this is fairly typical here in summer, and May as well: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8152/6964356240_613b80a6c8_c.jpg


http://icons.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/g/Glaswegian/748-800.jpg


http://thegraftonvillager.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/partly-cloudy.jpg


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David M Porter
18 August 2015 21:13:14


 


Well that clearly isn't true - unless you think a typical summer in London is rubbish, but I don't.


 


Between 1989 and 2006, only 1992, 1993, 1998 and 2000 could be described as poor. 1997 certainly wasn't crap until August - July was marginally above average. 1991 was also above average - average high here was 22.7C in July which is 1.4C above average while in August it was 22.3C which is 1.3C above average. June was a shocker though.


 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


1990 was another year which had a rather poor June and then changed for the better in July with avengeance. I remember reading somewhere a long while ago that June 1990 was the first below average CET month since April 1989, yet that summer then gave us the hottest day recorded in the UK prior to 2003 at the start of August.


Just goes to show how fickle a beast the British weather is. The events of July just passed which started with the hottest July day on record for the UK and yet still managed to finish with a below average CET overall is proof of that in itself.


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Saint Snow
18 August 2015 22:23:53

 


Lots of people moaning but this has been one of the most pleasant summers for a long time (IMBY of course). I've had more meals out in the garden this year than in the past three years put together. It's only in the past week that my lawn has reverted to anything approaching green. I have only had to cut it three times since May. It has been that dry.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


[wonders if you'll get a smacked botty too for IMBYism...]



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Saint Snow
19 August 2015 11:20:13

My perception is rapidly going downhill, and I can't see any [heatwave] light at the end of the tunnel


 


It's not on a scale of crappiness with the summers of 2007-2012, and it's frequently been sunny & pleasant, but no nice spell has been sustained, and certainly no heat (apart from a fleeting couple of days at the start of July)


 



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Stormchaser
19 August 2015 12:00:30

I feel the year as a whole is more of an issue than the summer in isolation; the last spell of clear, sunny weather lasting more than a couple of days was way back in mid-April, and that only lasted five days (18th-22nd April).


Most years manage one or two spells of such conditions lasting a week or so and bringing a sense that the weather is really putting on a show. This year it's all been scattered fine days among many plagued by large cloud amounts and/or spells of rain.


Remember the final 10 days of May 2012? They were stunning for a large part of the UK, and helped us to soldier through the often tragic couple of months that followed. I fondly recall cycling along the coast in Southsea with the temperature in the mid-20's even as the sun was setting. The sensation of cycling through a sauna will stay with me for a long time.


This summer I have no such special memories, though there is one of a different kind thanks to the extraordinary storm I experienced 3rd-4th July. Without that, this summer would offer nothing to me, as I was away during the hot weather that kicked off the month.


 


Alarmingly, even the winter months offered only the occasional bunch of 2-4 crisp, sunny days, and only managed one morning of lying snow, while frosts were fairly patchy apart from a short spell at the end of 2014. There weren't any notable windstorms either.


Fact is, this has to date been the most tedious year of weather I can remember, the early July storm a glimmering gem in a mountain of dull grey rocks.


 


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Andy Woodcock
19 August 2015 16:39:36

A hugely disappointing summer full stop!

Crap just doesn't cut it and in the last 30 years only May - August 2012 was worse than the same period this year, remember in Cumbria and Scotland May is normally the driest month so a washout May just adds to the misery of a poor summer.

I am still waiting for the Mediterranean summers promised by the climate change models 20 years ago.

Andy


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Brian Gaze
19 August 2015 16:47:50

Mediocre to poor is my perception but unlike some contributors I enjoy continental style heat rather than low 20Cs UK standard fare. TBH our barbecue count for this summer (at home because on hols in the south of France we had several!) is a grand total of 0. I'm past the stage where I'm bothered about the barbecue ritual for the sake of it and having to pull on a jumper and fleece in the evening pretending to enjoy a beer in the 'usable British weather'.  


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Jiries
19 August 2015 16:58:26

ATM August rating would for sunshine 2, dryness 2 and temperatures at 0 out of 10 as there not a single hot day occur yet.  Overall for June is 6, then July 2 and August going for 1 out of 10.  2015 are now going down to the 2007-2012 path and even that year had a bit more hot spells than this year.

briggsy6
19 August 2015 18:14:27

Our climate is carp full stop. Snowless winters and summers full of rain - even when it's dry it's usually unbearably humid.


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springsunshine
19 August 2015 19:26:28

What about BH weekend? There was a glimmer of hope that things would settle down but it looks like another washout if the models verify...
A hugely disappointing summer

Originally Posted by: cultman1 


Corrected!

KevBrads1
21 August 2015 13:01:42
Manchester summer index is around 190 at the moment


Worst summers for Manchester

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194
MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238
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Saint Snow
21 August 2015 14:49:34

Manchester summer index is around 190 at the moment


Worst summers for Manchester

1954 143
1907 147
1956 155
1912 156
1924 158
2012 164
2008 168
1987 169
1946 170
1909 171
1931 173
1978 173
1980 173
1920 174
1923 174
2007 174
1927 175
1948 176
1938 177
1922 178
2011 179
1985 180
1958 184
1972 185
1916 188
1986 189
1965 189
1910 190
1936 190
1988 191
2010 191
1966 192
1998 192
1953 193
1963 194
1993 194
2009 194

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


 


Interesting. I'd put this summer in front of 2009 & 2010 - although I think each of those had a warm spell that was slightly less fleeting than this summer's, whereas this summer has just been depressingly average for most of it (and I missed a week of shoddy weather when I went on me jollies)


 


 



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Patrick01
23 August 2015 13:01:17

At least it is not snowing here yet!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/snow-falls-in-western-alberta-as-frost-advisories-issued-1.3199575

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


I find it odd that Calgary is where it is at all to be honest. To situate a city at 51° N at an elevation of over 1000m above sea level is quite unusual surely? The rain shadow and occasional Chinooks must be a bit of a lifeline in winter time I'd have thought. I think early last September the whole city had quite a heavy snowfall as well?


 


 

Saint Snow
24 August 2015 13:18:06

 


I find it odd that Calgary is where it is at all to be honest. To situate a city at 51° N at an elevation of over 1000m above sea level is quite unusual surely? The rain shadow and occasional Chinooks must be a bit of a lifeline in winter time I'd have thought. I think early last September the whole city had quite a heavy snowfall as well? 


Originally Posted by: Patrick01 


 


It's there (in a city sense) because of oil/gas.


The climate can be bananas. First time I went there (May), we landed mid-afternoon with temps nudging 80f - and still piles of snow lying around from a dumping a couple of days earlier. After a couple of nice days, temps began to fall and a week into our stay an overnight snowfall gave a good 8/9". By the time we were flying home, temp were back up to 80f.


 



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doctormog
24 August 2015 16:14:45


I find it odd that Calgary is where it is at all to be honest. To situate a city at 51° N at an elevation of over 1000m above sea level is quite unusual surely? The rain shadow and occasional Chinooks must be a bit of a lifeline in winter time I'd have thought. I think early last September the whole city had quite a heavy snowfall as well?


 

Originally Posted by: Patrick01 


My brother now lives in PEI and it can get a serious amount of snow in winter too. Last winter was a notable case with a level depth of around 6ft at times. 


As others have said Calgary really does have a volatile climate!


Jiries
24 August 2015 16:19:29


 


I posted over in one of the other threads that it was in fact snowing in Calgary over the weekend, not unprecedented of course but not the typical August day either. My brother now lives in PEI and it can get a serious amount of snow in winter too. Last winter was a notable case with a level depth of around 6ft at times. 


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Why not move to Canada, you have a excellent chance to get sponsored by him that last only 9 months then you move there.  I would be in a shot to get out from here as I see summers are getting cooler.  You should prioritize your interest before family as some don't move because of their kids and suffer to stay here. 

doctormog
24 August 2015 16:24:46

I rather like it here(for reasons other than our climate) so may take the drastic step of prioritising my family ahead of my interest in the weather. Strange I know 

Canada makes a good place to visit though.


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