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SEMerc
23 August 2015 17:51:55


I will miss Carol Kirkwood's headlights!!laughing


Originally Posted by: colin46 


No matter, they'll be on view in the upcoming series of 'Strictly Come Dancing'.

Devonian
23 August 2015 17:52:02


 


For example, don't the MetO provide data for the ITV National forecasts? We've all seen how crap those forecasts are... 


Could it be that the quality of the broadcasts is determined by the broadcaster, not necessarily the data provider? 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


The data is the data - the best data does, and will, come from the Met O. If the broadcaster chose to make a hash of messaging that then the quality will suffer but, again, the best data, and thus the best forecasts, will come from the Met O.


 

Devonian
23 August 2015 17:53:16


 


Indeed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnxjZ-aFkjs


Originally Posted by: SEMerc 


My god, well spotted! You must be the first?

SEMerc
23 August 2015 18:03:27


 


My god, well spotted! You must be the first?


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Read it properly. It's the less often seen 'Full Version' where basically dick all is said about the sarf.

Jiries
23 August 2015 18:38:41

Full privatization of the MetO next on the cards, maybe.😁

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


Same as Royal Mail getting full privatization which make it worse as Royal Mail are losing mail volume rapidly and if Met go private I wonder if this will get worse and their website would not be free to view all.    How the BBC will able to forecasts without the data from Meto?  Meto is the only organization is this country so BBC are downgrading themselves so why should I pay the full licence? 


 

Rob K
23 August 2015 18:48:58
This is ridiculous. Why should the BBC even have to pay the Met Office for its data? The BBC is our national broadcaster. The Met Office is our national forecasting agency. Both are funded by us. They should be forced to share data in the national interest. Stupid politically correct "open market" nonsense.
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Solar Cycles
23 August 2015 18:56:06

This is ridiculous. Why should the BBC even have to pay the Met Office for its data? The BBC is our national broadcaster. The Met Office is our national forecasting agency. Both are funded by us. They should be forced to share data in the national interest. Stupid politically correct "open market" nonsense.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

bledur
23 August 2015 19:30:34

This is ridiculous. Why should the BBC even have to pay the Met Office for its data? The BBC is our national broadcaster. The Met Office is our national forecasting agency. Both are funded by us. They should be forced to share data in the national interest. Stupid politically correct "open market" nonsense.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Quite true . Although the met office get a lot of flak their forecasts are generally the best available as they have access to more models and it is in the national interest to have as accurate forecasts as possible for everybody.

Saint Snow
23 August 2015 19:58:13

This is ridiculous. Why should the BBC even have to pay the Met Office for its data? The BBC is our national broadcaster. The Met Office is our national forecasting agency. Both are funded by us. They should be forced to share data in the national interest. Stupid politically correct "open market" nonsense.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 



Trying to apply [politicised] 'open market' principles cannot work across all public services. It's nothing but short-sighted, dogma-driven ideology.


 


 


 


 



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Phil G
23 August 2015 21:17:03


 


 


There is a web only version for the UK


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhOyypuBzAY


 


I think we did have a 24 hr channel on Cable TV in the late 90s  but it didnt last long. I think Carol Kirkwood was a presenter. So too was Jo Price and a few others who went onto the BBC


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Thanks Beast, very interesting.


Watching the clip, it looks too much like our regular forecasts, so nothing new here.


I like the format and presentation of the American channel which works, and someone should try to adapt the same formula here. Could see it being very big and a one stop shop for most people. Can see audience figures increase too when there is abnormal weather about.


If I had money, would certainly give this a punt.


 


 


 

Perthite1
23 August 2015 23:24:19

This is ridiculous. Why should the BBC even have to pay the Met Office for its data? The BBC is our national broadcaster. The Met Office is our national forecasting agency. Both are funded by us. They should be forced to share data in the national interest. Stupid politically correct "open market" nonsense.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Nothing is going to be state owned in the near future. Some people on here will think that's a good thing, but when your only interest is to make money at all costs. It's not often in the best interests of providing service. The met office without doubt is about the most respected weather organisation around the World.

tallyho_83
24 August 2015 00:56:29
Devastating! - Will it go to AccuWeather??!
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LeedsLad123
24 August 2015 05:45:58

Devastating! - Will it go to AccuWeather??!

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


LOL! Don't say that.


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beanoir
24 August 2015 12:00:34

At first I was surprised to hear of this, but on reflection i'm not at all.

The BBC is not what it once was and is failing on many fronts to remain the most respected global news service it once was. It is not keeping up with modern technology and meeting the modern day demands of users in the way it's competitors are. Too often news stories have a slant on them in terms of political view point which is not what the BBC should be, and they operate on an outdated revenue collection mechanism, I think the BBC's days are numbered in it's current guise.

The Met Office, be it in it's current tax payer funded state or privatised is an institution that we should be proud of in the UK at the forefront of meteorological research and services - we all know that of course.

I would love to see a weather news and forecasting service provided by the MetO on it's own TV channel, radio station, web service etc hosted by the current presenters and offering a wider look at the weather and related issues.  Lets face it why do we have to wait for the 6pm news or Country File, the modern day consumer expects it on demand now. 


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Phil G
24 August 2015 12:12:32



I would love to see a weather news and forecasting service provided by the MetO on it's own TV channel, radio station, web service etc hosted by the current presenters and offering a wider look at the weather and related issues.  Lets face it why do we have to wait for the 6pm news or Country File, the modern day consumer expects it on demand now. 


Originally Posted by: beanoir 


As I have indicated, a weather channel would be a welcome addition to TV programmes over here, where most of the public would tune in and out of if it was good enough.


Beast kindly provided a link where this has been tried before over here, but this appeared to look too much like the usual weather bulletins, and looked quite boring to be honest.


I was thinking the American weather channel format and presentation with advertising to fund it looked good to watch and is a successful business model.

Brian Gaze
24 August 2015 12:41:37

Another thing I would expect to see on the Beeb is weather presenters on certain forecasts being replaced by the newsreader. This already happens on the radio and it is an obvious way of saving money. 


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lanky
24 August 2015 13:18:57


Another thing I would expect to see on the Beeb is weather presenters on certain forecasts being replaced by the newsreader. This already happens on the radio and it is an obvious way of saving money. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I think that it's the cost of the presenters that the beeb is trying to reduce rather than the cost of the Met office generating the forecasts themselves. Judging by the fact it seems the Met Office didn't even make the shortlist, the BBC must be looking for considerable savings that the Met Office just couldn't go along with and/or deliver


As they have already said, the beeb are keeping the met office prepared SWW's so in order to avoid a nonsense when models disagree it would seem they also have to keep the met Office model output for regular forecasts too


I think there are currently about 20 MetO staff at the beeb and they do all sorts of forecats on BBC news bulletins, World Service, News channel, BBC Radio as well as implanted in Andrew Marr, Countryfile etc which all adds up to a considerable cost.  I think the US model of having local station and network "Meteorologists" attched to the channel might work even though they are basically newsreaders who have "been on the course". Similar to the way sport is covered on the beeb news


I doubt we'll get a dedicated weather channel in the UK as I can't see the business model working (even in the US TWC seems to show re-runs of documentaries most of the time these days)


Martin
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TomC
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24 August 2015 13:56:06


If the MetO has lost the contract then I would expect something like this to follow:


1) Reorganisation at the Met Office


2) Privatisation of the forecasting division 


3) Date provision either opened up like NCEP or (depending on 1) a more commercial implementation of the current model


Unlike most people in this thread I do have a small amount of experience of speaking to the Met / ECM about the commercial provisioning of data. Between them they currently have the best numerical output available and control the radar network. However, access to their data sets comes at a high price which most small agencies can't justify paying whilst NCEP, CMC etc are free. Can't recall exact figures but ECM access was I think in the region of £80k to £100k per annum. The Met and ECM also gave me the impression of not having a strong sales focus. If Met / ECM were to implement a flexible self service 'pick n mix' model which was competitively priced they would quickly establish a large customer base across different media channels such as web sites, apps, local TV/radio etc.


What about the new BBC forecast provider? We'll need to wait and see but I'd be surprised if:


1) the full forecasting team is retained
2) presentation and graphics remain as now
2) the amount of repeat and looped forecasts is not increased


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The Met O and ECM are not publically funded in the way NOAA are so across the pond the forecast products are freely available to a largely private forecasting industry. Indeed there has been debate on whether publically funded bodies should be allowed to issue weather forecasts over there. Interestingly some of the premium forecasters in the US do pay for ECM products which they regard as superior to NOAA. If we are going down the route of the US model then the production of forecast data will needed to be funded out of taxation rather then being partly self financing as now.

Jonesy
24 August 2015 14:42:23

I will miss the curves of Georgina ..... hope they don't use CH5 weather providers 


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Brian Gaze
24 August 2015 14:52:24


 


The Met O and ECM are not publically funded in the way NOAA are so across the pond the forecast products are freely available to a largely private forecasting industry. Indeed there has been debate on whether publically funded bodies should be allowed to issue weather forecasts over there. Interestingly some of the premium forecasters in the US do pay for ECM products which they regard as superior to NOAA. If we are going down the route of the US model then the production of forecast data will needed to be funded out of taxation rather then being partly self financing as now.


Originally Posted by: TomC 


I agree the ECM products are statistically superior. My point was that in many (but clearly not all) cases their superiority isn't enough to justify the £80k to £100k per annum subscription fee. If ECM / MetO offered a competitively priced pick n mix menu of data products I think they would be able to substantially increase their subscription revenue. If all but the most specialist op and ens data was offered for £20k per annum and common variables were sold on a self serve platform I'd expect to see many web site / app / agencies switching across from GFS/GEFS. 


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TimS
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24 August 2015 16:36:27
In cold hard financial terms I get the point. I suspect the Met Office service is much more expensive, more bureaucratic, less dynamic than some alternatives.

But it hurts my soul. That may be irrational, but there it is.
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the converted
24 August 2015 17:22:15
Something similar happened with Met Eireann and RTE a few years ago, There was public outcry . All that is needed is people power to kick up a shindy, and they will be re-instated
SEMerc
24 August 2015 20:00:11
Matty H
25 August 2015 21:08:33

Maybe we'll get better writers? This is the current Meto extended forecast for here 


 


Outlook for Thursday to Saturday:
A mixture of sunshine and showers, with the risk of thunder and hail, for much of the time, although perhaps some rain for Thursday. Breezy and feeling fresher.


 


 


Solar Cycles
26 August 2015 18:33:12


Maybe we'll get better writers? This is the current Meto extended forecast for here 


 


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Matty H 

It's an overall improvement on previous ones.

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