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Essan
26 September 2015 11:13:58


Andy..


Not sure what you are saying here.


Sept 2014 was 15.09C which was  1.38 above the 71-00 CET. It was 1.02 above the  81-10 values.

Originally Posted by: Grandad 



I assumed people knew what "for example" meant


 


But anyway for my part, this is a competition forum, it is not a test of memory, and it is not involved in any climate change discussion  - infact a lot of the people taking part will not have been born in 1971. So it means nothing to them. I would ideally like to see the last 10 years on here used as a comparison, but I realise the information is not as readily available from the Met Office.  



The competition is about predicting the CET, not the anomaly    So for that purpose the Met can compare the current CET with the temp in Delhi in 1881 for all the relevance it has


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ARTzeman
26 September 2015 11:39:03

UK Mean Temperatures 2010-2015 from Met Office.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/datasafe


Are available....


 


 


 






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26 September 2015 19:27:16

Andy's right, this is a competition to predict the current month's CET, so past averages don't really matter and it's really for the fun of it, rather than the science.  Unless of course you're me and rely on some kind of inkling to prevent your guess going 5c (or more) too high!   


I'm happy to go with anything but it's easier for GW to go with what's available from the Met Office.  He puts a lot of time and effort into running this comp and I would hate him to give it up because we've put more pressure on his time.  So let's keep it light hearted, as it was meant to be from the start and leave it to GW to use whatever data suits him.   Amen!


It's been quite a warm day here but we started with a light frost, so that won't have done anything to increase the averages!  I need it to rise to prevent my slide down the table. 


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Saint Snow
26 September 2015 20:14:58


I'm happy to go with anything but it's easier for GW to go with what's available from the Met Office.  He puts a lot of time and effort into running this comp and I would hate him to give it up because we've put more pressure on his time.  So let's keep it light hearted, as it was meant to be from the start and leave it to GW to use whatever data suits him.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 


Hear! Hear!


 



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ARTzeman
27 September 2015 10:40:17

Met Office Hadley.       13.0c.     Anomaly     -0.8c.  Provisional to 26th.


Metcheck                    12.49c.   Anomaly     -1.23c.


Netweather                 13.09c.   Anomaly     -0.62c.


Clevedon Weather       15.09c.   Anomaly     -0.7c.


Mount Sorrel               12.5c.    Anomaly      -1.2c.


My  Mean                    13.4c.    Anomaly      -1.9c.


 


My Annual   11.2c.  Difference  5.5c.    






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Grandad
27 September 2015 19:56:16


Andy's right, this is a competition to predict the current month's CET, so past averages don't really matter and it's really for the fun of it, rather than the science.  Unless of course you're me and rely on some kind of inkling to prevent your guess going 5c (or more) too high!   


I'm happy to go with anything but it's easier for GW to go with what's available from the Met Office.  He puts a lot of time and effort into running this comp and I would hate him to give it up because we've put more pressure on his time.  So let's keep it light hearted, as it was meant to be from the start and leave it to GW to use whatever data suits him.   Amen!


It's been quite a warm day here but we started with a light frost, so that won't have done anything to increase the averages!  I need it to rise to prevent my slide down the table. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Not unhappy also. As I suggested, it is easy to use the MO figures. So no change then.! My point was if we were going to change then we should use the latest figures.. Not 30,40 or 50 years ago. 


 


 

Zubzero
27 September 2015 22:12:51

What is the reason for the CET being based on 30 years and not 40 or 25 ect?


And why don't they use a rolling CET Average.  

Retron
28 September 2015 06:14:14


What is the reason for the CET being based on 30 years and not 40 or 25 ect?


And why don't they use a rolling CET Average.  


Originally Posted by: Zubzero 


It's the standard WMO practice to use 30 years.


http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2010BAMS2955.1


has more info.


Also, note this bit:


"Decadal updates. The WMO mandates member countries to compute 30-yr normals once every 30 years (1901–30, 1931–60, 1961–90, 1991–2020, etc.), but recommends that member countries create decadal updates as well"


This is why some reports still use 61-90, as it's one of the base mandated periods. 81-10 is of course fine to use as well, but we won't see a big shift until 6 years' time, when 91-20 will become the period quoted everywhere.


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ARTzeman
28 September 2015 10:27:03

Met Office Hadley         13.0c.     Anomaly      -0.8c.   Provisional to 27th.


Metcheck                     12.46c.   Anomaly      -1.27c.


Netweather                  13.05c.   Anomaly     -0.65c.


Clevedon Weather        16.8c.     Anomaly       0.2c


Mount Sorrel                12.5c.    Anomaly       -1.3c.


My Mean                      13.4c.    Anomaly       -1.9c.                       






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Gavin P
29 September 2015 10:39:30

September CET has gone under 13c! 


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ARTzeman
29 September 2015 11:13:41

Met Office Hadley       12.9c.      Anomaly       -0.7c.    Provisional to  28th.


Metcheck                     12.45c.      Anomaly        -1.27c.


Netweather                  13.04c.      Anomaly        -0.66c.


Clevedon Weather        16.7c.        Anomaly         0.1c.


Mount Sorrel                12.4c.        Anomaly        -1.3c.


My Mean                      13.3c.       Anomaly         -2.0c.   






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Saint Snow
29 September 2015 11:20:07


September CET has gone under 13c! 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


 


And yet, it's been a really pleasant month overall



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Stormchaser
29 September 2015 11:34:17

I know the anomalously cool start to the month was the nail in the coffin for anything average or above, but I guess I was a bit tame with my prediction on that basis 


Ironically, my local mean seems to be heading for a finish at somewhere between 13.1*C and 13.3*C. Though even if the CET was doing the same, it's not like I can finish very high up the table this year anyway 


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Gavin P
29 September 2015 12:39:37


 


 


And yet, it's been a really pleasant month overall


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


It's been a funny month hasn't it?


I remember September 93 and 94, the last time we had CET's like this, as being really cold, overcast and very wet months with flooding rains at times.


This month hasn't felt like that and I would guess much of this coolness has come from cold minima?


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Essan
29 September 2015 13:59:04


And yet, it's been a really pleasant month overall


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Aye, not really felt cool.  And it's been quite dry in many parts - only 50% average rainfall here.   I suspect the sunshine figures will be pretty good too.

But I bet the trend for negative CETs doesn't last much longer ....


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ARTzeman
29 September 2015 16:31:55

My own mean is 13.3c.   


  Time for OCTOBER'S to be thought about....






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29 September 2015 18:22:41

Yes, it's been a pleasant month here too, although I guess the low night temps have held down the mean. 


I have overcooked the temps this month and expect a fair old slide down the table.  My run of good guesses had to end!    


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Global Warming
29 September 2015 18:46:27


My own mean is 13.3c.   


  Time for OCTOBER'S to be thought about....


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Sorry time has run away from me so very late with the October thread. Will post it up later this evening.

Hungry Tiger
29 September 2015 20:52:30


 


Sorry time has run away from me so very late with the October thread. Will post it up later this evening.


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Good to see you on here Simon - I was just about to open the October thread for you. :-)


 


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Global Warming
29 September 2015 21:01:39

Latest estimate for the final September CET is 12.48C. We could be very close to finishing at the same figure as 1993.

Saint Snow
29 September 2015 21:18:34



Aye, not really felt cool.  And it's been quite dry in many parts - only 50% average rainfall here.   I suspect the sunshine figures will be pretty good too.


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Like has been said, much of it down to consistently cool minima. Saying that, I bet if we'd have just had an august like 2003, we'd probably be thinking this September had been decidedly chilly.


 



But I bet the trend for negative CETs doesn't last much longer ....


Originally Posted by: Essan 


Yup, the weather gods farting in our face as usual



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noodle doodle
30 September 2015 07:48:53
Who wouldn't prefer an average made from a daytime max of 20 and a sunrise temp of about 4 when compared to a constant 24hr clag of 10-13C? Got that in edinburgh yesterday and made the top 10 lists for both max and min temperature on the met office site. Very nice.
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30 September 2015 08:27:46

It will be 10.9C(-1.5C) here.


ARTzeman
30 September 2015 08:29:37

My Back Yard figure remains at  13.3c.    With an annual of 11.2c. ...






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30 September 2015 08:37:12

Year to date here is 8.7C

September av.max was 15C, Av. Min 6.6C

Highest 18.8C
Lowest 1.1C


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