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picturesareme
06 January 2016 12:24:54


 


imby?


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


"in my back yard"

tallyho_83
06 January 2016 12:25:39


looks crap imby


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn18617.gif


 


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Rob K
06 January 2016 12:28:08
We get this every time there is a cold spell on offer. People saying "looks bone dry" etc. People were saying that at the end of Dec 2009 and then the south got buried in a foot of snow!

As a wise man once said, let's get the cold air in place first.
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RobN
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06 January 2016 12:29:51


 


 


Your ensemble graph is correct - the WZ one seems to pick the wrong run out as the op run, and doesn't show the mild end to the run.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


WeatherCast seems to be plotting another GFS run (blue line) as the Op also



Rob
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picturesareme
06 January 2016 12:30:07


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn18617.gif


 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


oh wow look at how cold it is 😦 1C !!


look at that severe cold for the mainland -1C - +3C


-2C over the northern Pennines and -6C for highland Scotland.... 


Record breaking cold for January night? 

picturesareme
06 January 2016 12:32:59

We get this every time there is a cold spell on offer. People saying "looks bone dry" etc. People were saying that at the end of Dec 2009 and then the south got buried in a foot of snow!

As a wise man once said, let's get the cold air in place first.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


parts of the South you mean

LeedsLad123
06 January 2016 12:34:09


looks crap imby


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


-3C wouldn't be noteworthy here, or anywhere really. It fell to -8C at Heathrow Airport in January last year and that was an average January.


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Russwirral
06 January 2016 12:37:13
guys, are you seriously thinking it will be baltic cold as the cold air is arriving - let it arrive first will you.

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20160106/06/213/ukmaxtemp.png 

Thew following night is colder... stop panicking.
Fothergill
06 January 2016 12:37:37

A significant improvement in the outlook for coldies this morn. I'm starting to believe but really want the ECM to improve before I get too excited. The UKMO is fantastic.


The ECM ens anomalies are finally showing well below average uppers, can't remember the last time I saw that.



However there is by no means full agreement on a sustained cold spell yet, so definitely more runs needed tbh.

LeedsLad123
06 January 2016 12:38:27

guys, are you seriously thinking it will be baltic cold as the cold air is arriving - let it arrive first will you.

http://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20160106/06/213/ukmaxtemp.png

Thew following night is colder... stop panicking.

Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Settle down, partner - I'm not panicking. I'm not bothered how cold it is as long as it's dry, with some sunshine as an added bonus - just stating that the current GFS min temps being shown are.. unremarkable in every sense of the world.


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Brian Gaze
06 January 2016 12:38:49


 


WeatherCast seems to be plotting another GFS run (blue line) as the Op also



Originally Posted by: RobN 


The label on that chart suggests it's stale 0z data. 


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RobN
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06 January 2016 12:39:02


 


parts of the South you mean


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Indeed - I really hate it when people make these sweeping generalizations about semi-mythical past events.


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picturesareme
06 January 2016 12:39:03


 


-3C wouldn't be noteworthy here, or anywhere really. It fell to -8C at Heathrow Airport in January last year and that was an average January.


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


-4C or colder is noteworthy down her on the south coast. 😊 

RobN
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06 January 2016 12:40:34


 


The label on that chart suggests it's stale 0z data. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Ooops yes. For heaven's sake keep up Rob...


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Robertski
06 January 2016 12:48:20


 


oh wow look at how cold it is 😦 1C !!


look at that severe cold for the mainland -1C - +3C


-2C over the northern Pennines and -6C for highland Scotland.... 


Record breaking cold for January night? 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Tell you what, lets keep the p****ng rain and mild then.  This is  far more seasonal and who knows who gets what??

johnm1976
06 January 2016 12:49:06
To top it off, 2 consecutive GFS runs show signs of strat warming at the end.

Let's hope it stays and strengthen and the stratospheric vortex says bye-bye! Although all the WAA seems to be doing a good job of destroying it at the trop level so far.....

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=384&mode=10&carte=1 
Essan
06 January 2016 12:50:51


oh wow look at how cold it is 😦 1C !!


look at that severe cold for the mainland -1C - +3C


-2C over the northern Pennines and -6C for highland Scotland.... 


Record breaking cold for January night? 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Mock all you like, but GFS 06z op run would produce the coldest spell of weather, and lowest recorded temp, here since 2010.    We might even get more than 3 (three!!!!) consecutive nights with a temp below -3c .......    


Of course, I don't expect that to transpire, especially as this is the ever-unreliable 06z run.  But nice to see as a remote possibility, nonetheless


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JACKO4EVER
06 January 2016 12:51:49


 


Actually I don't like the way the Control run ends - that looks wose than the Op in terms of what happens next. Assuming you are looking for cold weather to continue, of course.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yeh, you Know Gandalf this ***could* be an epic spell- I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some serious overnight minima on snowfields up north. At least it will dry out somewhat too.  

Robertski
06 January 2016 12:52:02


 


 


Mock all you like, but GFS 06z op run would produce the coldest spell of weather, and lowest recorded temp, here since 2010.    We might even get more than 3 (three!!!!) consecutive nights with a temp below -3c .......    


Of course, I don't expect that to transpire, especially as this is the ever-unreliable 06z run.  But nice to see as a remote possibility, nonetheless


Originally Posted by: Essan 


 


Jonesy
06 January 2016 13:02:46

After the last 24hrs of outputs I'm hoping Gusty goes on another 2 week break from model watching in Feb ..sorry Steve, love ya really ...can you come out and update me on Thames Streamers please 


 


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Gandalf The White
06 January 2016 13:03:21

00z ECM ensemble for London:


 



As expected, 100% agreement on it turning much colder by Monday and lasting through the weekend.  So, that rarity of a week of cold weather in prospect.


Thereafter the usual spaghetti starts to appear after two weeks but the two main clusters off the choice of continuing very cold or becoming rather cold with virtually nothing mild on offer at the moment.


The detail is never clear at this range; it may be a predominantly dry cold spell or it may not.  Even if there are no disturbances or features around windward coasts will get peppered with wintry showers as always.


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Hippydave
06 January 2016 13:12:59

Surprisingly nice GFS runs this morning - must admit I was fully expecting the 0z to be as flat as a pancake. Then I was expecting the 6z to flatten the pattern out, just to make up for the 0z


ECM isn't as nice to look at, although still cold and perhaps more importantly for a fair chunk of the country, considerably drier than recently*. Hard to tell where it would go from T240 although enough potential there for it to go cold/stay cold (or slump back to average/mild of course).


Fair to say it will get cold for next week, still very much up in the air (tee hee) as to how cold, how prolonged etc. Given the pattern hinges an awful lot on the set up over the Arctic and WAA setting up in the right place, I'd be cautious on ramping just for the present - really wouldn't take too much to revert back to a more non-descript pattern with ridging from the displaced Azores HP collapsing after a couple of days. Happily of course that's not shown at present


I will of course big up my January CET guess if it does get cold enough


*Interestingly there's been a little bit of flooding down here lately too. Given it's not been that wet just shows the water table is pretty high I guess.


 


EDIT - added WAA comment....


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Arbroath 1320
06 January 2016 13:13:12


INSANE control- bit of an outlier at the end- but what a run for cold lovers.


At this rate I'm gonna have to hibernate


Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 


As well as the control run there's several very cold runs in the ensemble set. This is one of the coldest:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?ech=240&code=18&mode=1&carte=0


 


GGTTH
Fothergill
06 January 2016 13:18:59

As good as the GFS 06z looks, cold enough uppers for snow to most of the country (circa -8c) don't arrive until about 9 days time. What could possibly go wrong in that time?  


LeedsLad123
06 January 2016 13:24:30


As good as the GFS 06z looks, cold enough uppers for snow to most of the country (circa -8c) don't arrive until about 9 days time. What could possibly go wrong in that time?  



Originally Posted by: Fothergill 


T850s of -4C are more than cold enough for snow, even with light precipitation.


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