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Whether Idle
13 January 2016 20:08:52

The lesser models strongly favour Atlantic dominance !


Brazilian model 132:



Chinese 144:



Whereas the NAVGEM goes for this at 120:



 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
doctormog
13 January 2016 20:19:06
That little feature running down the east on Friday and Saturday is also shown in the ECM 12z run. Definitely worth watching if you're near the east coast or (far?) southeast

http://meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016011312/ECU1-48.GIF?13-0 
http://meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf/runs/2016011312/ECU1-72.GIF?13-0 
scarborough whiteout
13 January 2016 20:31:01


 


Agree. Was mentioned on local forecast too.

stophe
13 January 2016 20:34:39
Looking at the Dutch ecm short Ensemble, the operational was one of the warmer runs.
Whether Idle
13 January 2016 20:39:11

Looking at the Dutch ecm short Ensemble, the operational was one of the warmer runs.

Originally Posted by: stophe 


 I do have the postage stamps 120 - very interesting


http://old.ecmwf.int/samples/d/inspect/teasers/samplers/banner/mean_sea_level_pressure_and_temperature_at_850hpa!120!pop!od!enfo!enplot!2016011312!!/


quite a few would lead to this... on a knifedge...



 


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
stophe
13 January 2016 20:45:51
My mistake I was looking at yesterday's on my mobile and it hadn't refreshed. I am sure some one will post them.there is a warm cluster and the operational was one of them.
Ally Pally Snowman
13 January 2016 20:56:34

http://cdn.knmi.nl/knmi/map/page/weer/waarschuwingen_verwachtingen/ensemble/detail/ensemble-verwachtingen-detail10.png

Originally Posted by: stophe 


 


Met backing the cold to stay so hopefully the ukmo model is on to something.


 


Ian Fergusson Twitter 


W COUNTRY By weekend we see the coldest spell nationwide since March 2013: Atlantic mobility & mildness "not expected anytime soon" say UKMO


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Whether Idle
13 January 2016 20:57:44

http://cdn.knmi.nl/knmi/map/page/weer/waarschuwingen_verwachtingen/ensemble/detail/ensemble-verwachtingen-detail10.png

Originally Posted by: stophe 


Yes, the switch from the op being in the coldest 5% of runs on day 5 to the mildest 10% on day 6 adds to the impression that the run is suspect between 120 and 144.


Next.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
David M Porter
13 January 2016 21:21:48


 


 


Met backing the cold to stay so hopefully the ukmo model is on to something.


 


Ian Fergusson Twitter 


W COUNTRY By weekend we see the coldest spell nationwide since March 2013: Atlantic mobility & mildness "not expected anytime soon" say UKMO


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Encouraging words from Mr Fergusson.


IMO, it is the MetO's own model that has performed the most consistently of any in the past week, even though it only goes out to T+144. GFS in my estimation has had a nightmare of a time and I think it's sometimes too progressive nature has been exposed fully in recent days.


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SJV
13 January 2016 21:31:52


 


Encouraging words from Mr Fergusson.


IMO, it is the MetO's own model that has performed the most consistently of any in the past week, even though it only goes out to T+144. GFS in my estimation has had a nightmare of a time and I think it's sometimes too progressive nature has been exposed fully in recent days.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Agreed. It's skewed somewhat seen as it updates 4x a day, but even so it has consistently over-egged the Atlantic progression and then backtracked to the less-progressive solution  


 

Whether Idle
13 January 2016 22:06:53


 


Encouraging words from Mr Fergusson.


IMO, it is the MetO's own model that has performed the most consistently of any in the past week, even though it only goes out to T+144. GFS in my estimation has had a nightmare of a time and I think it's sometimes too progressive nature has been exposed fully in recent days.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


Well said David.  The logical conclusion,If the UKMO is correct, is for trough development to the S of the UK and HP development to the N.  this would lead to easterlies.  We shall see what tomorrow morning brings.  I'm not bothering with the pub run.


 


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Ally Pally Snowman
13 January 2016 22:12:10


 


Well said David.  The logical conclusion,If the UKMO is correct, is for trough development to the S of the UK and HP development to the N.  this would lead to easterlies.  We shall see what tomorrow morning brings.  I'm not bothering with the pub run.


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


That could well be correct two more fascinating quotes from Ian Fergusson on Twitter.


 



.whilst the parallel UKMO-GM starts mobility again next week *but* (unlike recent GFS), only across latitudes S of the UK.


 


subtropical storm Alex important in broadscale mix: huge amounts of warm air advection into W Atlantic to bolster blocking.


 


 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
AIMSIR
13 January 2016 22:20:01

Is there a chance of deeper LP system forming over Ireland within the next few hours?.
https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/fax/20160113.1853.PPVA89.png.

Gooner
13 January 2016 22:26:22


Front edging down on the latest 120 Fax


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


SJV
13 January 2016 22:28:37

Pinched this from the other side; the beginnings of Subtropical Storm Alex, whose forecast path can only be good for our block 


Gooner
13 January 2016 22:34:22


The cold really is hanging on


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Chiltern Blizzard
13 January 2016 23:03:28


 


That could well be correct two more fascinating quotes from Ian Fergusson on Twitter.


 



.whilst the parallel UKMO-GM starts mobility again next week *but* (unlike recent GFS), only across latitudes S of the UK.


 


subtropical storm Alex important in broadscale mix: huge amounts of warm air advection into W Atlantic to bolster blocking.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Mobility to the south of the UK.... Isn't that the holy grail of winter weather giving 1947-type Synoptics?


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
kmoorman
13 January 2016 23:16:34


 


Mobility to the south of the UK.... Isn't that the holy grail of winter weather giving 1947-type Synoptics?


Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


 


It certainly could be, as long as it's close enough,  but not too close 


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Gandalf The White
13 January 2016 23:34:54

ECM 12z ensemble for London:


http://www.weathercast.co.uk/services/ensemble-forecast.html


Solid agreeement between the GFS and ECM 12z runs out to the middle of next week and very little ensemble scatter in the ECM run either. Some support for slightly less cold conditions on Friday 22nd.  Quite a few members extend the cold past that weekend but there's only one smallish cluster offering maxima around 5C.


I've put the precitation chart in this post as well as it very dry after tonight's rain (London) and a brief and small amount of, I assume, sleet/snow on Friday afternoon.


Worth remembering that the ensembles are only testing for the stability or otherwise of the starting position - they can flip and flop just like an operational as/when new factors come into play.


 




Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
13 January 2016 23:38:44


It certainly could be, as long as it's close enough,  but not too close 


Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


That's invariably the challenge - low pressure typically brings warmer, moist air to bring the chance of snow but that opportunity can become a risk as well.    Deep and vigorous Channel Lows are the only way (other than low pressure from the east, which is rare) to introduce moisture whilst keeping the UK in the Arctic air mass.  But that puts, say, the south coast and Channel Islands at risk, of course.


1947 might sound like fun but, like another 1962/63, I suspect the novelty would wear thin after a few weeks when the disruption ceased to be a source of entertainment (for some).....



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Retron
14 January 2016 05:37:03

The GEFS remains mild this morning, with the majority of members going mild by 144 - only 4 members stay cold to 180. That's just as remarkable a turnaround as yesterday's 12z was compared with the 6z.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
JoeShmoe99
14 January 2016 05:44:45

The GFS would give a snowy breakdown in favoured areas whilst the UKMO would be dry and cold before the high topples. Let's see what ECM says but neither run is exciting tbh. The UKMO has changed where it sends the energy out of Greenland suggesting less chance of the undercut


still such large differences at t+96 both between models and inter model runs it's hard to take any of them too seriously!

Karl Guille
14 January 2016 05:49:07
In UKMO we trust this morning as the cold holds on at T144 with high pressure centred broadly over the UK with an easterly influence in the s/e. GFS hinted far more strongly of an Atlantic breakthrough on last night's 18z and this is backed up even more strongly on this morning's 0z with mild winning through by 18th. GEM is somewhere in between but also giv s up just a day later on 19th.
St. Sampson
Guernsey
Nordic Snowman
14 January 2016 05:57:45


The GEFS remains mild this morning, with the majority of members going mild by 144 - only 4 members stay cold to 180. That's just as remarkable a turnaround as yesterday's 12z was compared with the 6z.


 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I think the chances of a major 'flip' are now beginning to reduce. Never say never (of course) but IMO I think the HP will eventually slip ESE and open up a NW/SE split across the UK. Milder air then looks like spilling into Scandi too. Who knows what will happen thereafter but my own gut feeling is perhaps a short period of a N-S split with higher heights to the S whilst the jet runs to the N and into Scandi.


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