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Nordic Snowman
25 January 2016 15:56:14

In view of the coming storm and heavy rains, the flooding is back on the agenda. Sadly, it is the same locations at most risk. I'd imagine many folks in the prime zones are bracing themselves.


Will it be a storm worthy of the forecasts or will it be an anti-climax?


Fire away


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Fothergill
25 January 2016 16:52:38

APERGE showing up to 100mm here in Wales. Ground is still saturated


ARTzeman
25 January 2016 17:26:32

The farmers filed will suffer with heavy downpours. Not nice. 






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Stormchaser
25 January 2016 17:41:59

12z GFS for the first frontal system of the week, which becomes slow moving across the south on Wed:


Modele GFS - Carte prévisions


Already a not inconsiderable amount of rain for many places, and this is missing the detail over high terrain that ARPEGE provides. A convective element in the far south may also be underestimated, again this is evidence in the ARPEGE chart posted by Fothergill.


 


By the end of the weekend - and the month - the moisture laden tropical maritime airmasses coming from well SW of the UK (those subtropical conveyors again, or atmospheric rivers) have done their nasty work:


Modele GFS - Carte prévisions


I imagine peak totals over high ground would be in excess of 200 mm from this run if it could resolve such things effectively enough.


IMBY (between the numbers just N and NW of the IOW), some 50 to 60 mm looks achievable when accounting for convective underestimation. That'd leave the month just short of 2008 for the 2nd wettest Jan in the past 16 years.


 


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Nordic Snowman
25 January 2016 17:45:17


We need a giant barrier to the west of the UK than can be raised at times like this 


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


...and that may finally arrive in the form of the MetO H:P eventually building. Sadly, the rain and floods will come first.


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stormbymills
25 January 2016 18:13:31

http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/flood/31618.aspx


A couple of flood warnings but over 60 flood alerts in force for England and Wales, though most have been issued earlier than usual and on a precautionary basis as opposed to actual river levels.


Would imagine these numbers to rise throughout tomorrow and Wednesday based on forecast rainfall figures.... hopefully Cumbria and other areas of Northern England which have been hit hard this winter will escape another deluge....  

ChrisJG
26 January 2016 11:15:13
Schools around Keswick are sending kids home as flooding is taking hold again. Awful morning but hopefully rivers had subsided enough to prevent the major problems seen in December. The BBC Cumbria live feed has some pics of the flooding this morning in Borrowdale.
On a side issue, I'm still taking diversions to work due to bridges still out after the December floods. The pictures taken by divers of the voids under the Kendal and Eamont Bridges are unbelievable.
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26 January 2016 11:18:15

It does feel like a short lived version of the December event with stationary orographic rain in the same spots (while we have dry and very windy again - just like last time)


ChrisJG
26 January 2016 11:43:04
Apparently Glenridding Hotel is flooding once again. Awful stuff. I think that's 4 times now since early December.
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stormbymills
26 January 2016 14:11:36

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2016/1/26/59aabc98-4878-426c-b3e3-df9306d5887d.jpg


Some rainfall totals coming in for the last 12 hours.... could be worse, but could be better

Fothergill
26 January 2016 17:03:40

46mm so far today.


APERGE 12z showing 100-150mm in some spots over next few days.


Bertwhistle
26 January 2016 19:52:41

Apparently Glenridding Hotel is flooding once again. Awful stuff. I think that's 4 times now since early December.

Originally Posted by: ChrisJG 


Yes- it was covered by BBC- the manager said she had to stay as it was her life/ livelihood but that she was at an end. Awful.


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Gusty
26 January 2016 20:33:57

We have a long weekend booked (5th-8th February) in the Lake District at a place called Ambleside. Its looking like plenty of rain will be falling in the 10 days up there. My wife has bought a comfy pair of swede boots today for our long walks.. bless her. I suggested she replaced them with something a little more akin to the conditions up there. .


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26 January 2016 21:05:07

Apparently Glenridding Hotel is flooding once again. Awful stuff. I think that's 4 times now since early December.

Originally Posted by: ChrisJG 


This has to be debris rolling downstream again, there is so much stuff loose in the channel from the earlier events.
They had a big digger there again continually fishing stuff out as it came down.
I think the solution will be radical deepening of the channel at Glenridding and raising that bridge opening which was almost acting like a dam again - after a relatively normal wet day.


ChrisJG
26 January 2016 22:40:18
Yes, it was just a normal wet winters day but to see how high and how quick the rivers have risen was astonishing frankly. The eden, lowther and Eamont have all burst their banks onto the fields again and as you say, local residents want the Eamont bridge demolished as that also acts like a dam, backing up the water and flooding those on the ullswater side.
The damage around from Desmond is everywhere and the old brougham bridge near Penrith looks likely to be the next casualty. It was already badly damaged and likely to collapse. I'll be amazed if it's still there after the weekend.
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Stormchaser
27 January 2016 10:40:46

Over the past 24 hours, much of the model output trended south with the position of the frontal boundary during Wed daytime, but a look at the radar suggests that was a mistake.


The result was a BBC forecast this morning that showed the worst of the rain gone by late morning but spoke of heavy rain being a frequent visitor until the evening.


Already had 10.5 mm to 6am today following 7.7 mm yesterday. Meanwhile not far to my south it has been even wetter, with Hurn reporting 31.6 mm for the 24 hours to 6am today. The high-res models have been in the 20-40 mm range for Tue-Wed combined but the precip from the southwest is looking pretty heavy so Hurn may exceed the upper limit by this evening and could reach 50 mm. After all, the freshly updated Met Office warning for  10:00-18:00 today goes for 10-15 mm generally with 25 mm locally. 


In these parts, what with the lack of elevated terrain to enhance the totals, 50 mm from an event is pretty noteworthy.


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Rob K
27 January 2016 10:49:24


Over the past 24 hours, much of the model output trended south with the position of the frontal boundary during Wed daytime, but a look at the radar suggests that was a mistake.


The result was a BBC forecast this morning that showed the worst of the rain gone by late morning but spoke of heavy rain being a frequent visitor until the evening.


Already had 10.5 mm to 6am today following 7.7 mm yesterday. Meanwhile not far to my south it has been even wetter, with Hurn reporting 31.6 mm for the 24 hours to 6am today. The high-res models have been in the 20-40 mm range for Tue-Wed combined but the precip from the southwest is looking pretty heavy so Hurn may exceed the upper limit by this evening and could reach 50 mm. After all, the freshly updated Met Office warning for  10:00-18:00 today goes for 10-15 mm generally with 25 mm locally. 


In these parts, what with the lack of elevated terrain to enhance the totals, 50 mm from an event is pretty noteworthy.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


The warning says the area of rain will move "southeastwards" across southern England but at the moment it is heading slightly north of east.


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Stormchaser
27 January 2016 12:03:16


The warning says the area of rain will move "southeastwards" across southern England but at the moment it is heading slightly north of east.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


True that - the angle of the front seems to be more SW-NE than the near W to E that it was meant to be. So even as it drifts a little S of E, the rain is moving NE along it.


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/observation/rainfall-radar#?map=Rainfall&fcTime=1453851000&zoom=6&lon=-4.00&lat=51.73


Signs now of the narrower secondary feature on the radar, which is even more SW-NE in alignment. It's beefed up more some way SW of the UK but thankfully the overall E motion should keep that lot mostly in the Channel.


Not sure about that wedge to the south of Ireland though. A third band coming into view? It could move far N enough to affect southern parts before it clears east.


Seems the models have made a bit of a hash of this.


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Stormchaser
27 January 2016 14:41:40

Rain's finally turned more sporadic here now. The local stream has swollen far enough to begin bursting its banks.


The possible third band of rain has been quasi-stationary in the last two hours so it may just be anomalous propagation (anaprop) i.e. a false signal.


Thoughts in these parts now turn to a rather similar looking event being suggested by a number of models for Saturday, including the possibility of the boundary stalling out and beefing up while right overhead during the following night, due to a potent wave developing along it.


Scope for some fluvial flooding problems.


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idj20
27 January 2016 14:47:46

Shades of Winter 2014 . . .


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picturesareme
27 January 2016 14:55:40
Around 30mm of rain since this all started yesterday afternoon of which half has fallen this late morning/ afternoon.

30mm over 26-27 hours isn't so bad.
Nordic Snowman
27 January 2016 15:30:30

Around 30mm of rain since this all started yesterday afternoon of which half has fallen this late morning/ afternoon.

30mm over 26-27 hours isn't so bad.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Is Copnor Road flooded yet?


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ChrisJG
27 January 2016 16:00:30
Is it just me or is there anyone else out there who finds the met office weather warning maps for Friday just a tad confusing?! There seems to be several layers of yellow and it's difficult to make out where the different boundaries are. Surely there's a better way of illustrating what's going on?!
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picturesareme
27 January 2016 16:05:19


 


Is Copnor Road flooded yet?


Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Noo nowhere near enough rain for that 😄


It really has just been standard January muck with the usual big puddles around blocked drains.. Portsmouth council have been slacking as per usual lol 


 

Nordic Snowman
27 January 2016 16:51:26


 


Noo nowhere near enough rain for that 😄


It really has just been standard January muck with the usual big puddles around blocked drains.. Portsmouth council have been slacking as per usual lol 


 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Lol - no changes then  I guess Eastern Road would flood first. Phew..... I do not miss those depressing wet/murky days!!


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