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picturesareme
10 February 2016 22:04:29


 


Yes- have you noticed the UV UK range is now 1-8; it was 1-7 last June.


 I wonder if they've upped their reckonings across the year. We've not had 2 here before March before on their charts . Perhaps they've changed their rounding spec or something.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


they (metoffice) have always had a range up to UV 8, and last year it was frequently forecasted down here (South).. 


I think last year they had a change in attitude to how they would show the UV.. indexes into the 8 range have never been that uncommon down here but rarely forecasted. I presume in the past it's always based on mid afternoon average rather then ultimate peak possible.  

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10 February 2016 22:20:55

The great thing about Spring is it's an effect almost independent of temperature. Even with cold temperatures the humidity is lower so things start to dry out, and there is more light.

No matter how atrocious the weather the days keep getting longer and lighter, and the dew point keeps dropping. Even wet weather isn't humid as it is in November.

I have a personal threshold for when Spring starts: 13C+ maxes for 3 days in a row under calm winds and sunshine.


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picturesareme
16 February 2016 14:07:10
Snow, cold, winter??? I'm enjoying some lovely early spring sunshine in the park at the moment and it feels lovely β˜€οΈ

The birds are chirping away, the flowers are in bloom...

And this little fella agrees

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Whether Idle
17 February 2016 06:14:57

Light levels yesterday were wonderfully spring-like.


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Bertwhistle
17 February 2016 07:44:35

After a few days absence, the UV2 shot is back again (admittedly it's S Coast but that threshold will just keep moving N now).


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gbypzdmp7#?fcTime=1455753600


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picturesareme
17 February 2016 09:11:01


After a few days absence, the UV2 shot is back again (admittedly it's S Coast but that threshold will just keep moving N now).


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast/gbypzdmp7#?fcTime=1455753600


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


However it's not the UV that exclusively makes the sun feel warm, I think it's mainly infra redπŸ˜‰


Also in theory the Suns UV could potentially be as high as 3 in late February if it wasn't for the high ozone levels that have built up over the winter. You can still achieve a UV of 3 in early October.


In March down here in the far south UV of 4 do occasionally happen towards the later end of the month. 


 


Local weather station I use for UV maxed out yesterday @ UV index of 1.4 yesterday afternoon in the sunshine πŸ™‚ This years highest.

Bertwhistle
17 February 2016 09:17:04

 and


 


However it's not the UV that exclusively makes the sun feel warm, I think it's mainly infra redπŸ˜‰


Also in theory the Suns UV could potentially be as high as 3 in late February if it wasn't for the high ozone levels that have built up over the winter. You can still achieve a UV of 3 in early October.


In March down here in the far south UV of 4 do occasionally happen towards the later end of the month. 


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


No, but it does make a difference to the look of the light.


Solar incidence on the 21st February roughly aligns with that on 21st October and the best I'll get here that late in the month is a 2; in fact the rate of reduction seems massive through September and October, whereas in March and April it seems more gradual- just perception of course; I wonder if anyone can throw any light on it.



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picturesareme
17 February 2016 10:38:34


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No, but it does make a difference to the look of the light.


Solar incidence on the 21st February roughly aligns with that on 21st October and the best I'll get here that late in the month is a 2; in fact the rate of reduction seems massive through September and October, whereas in March and April it seems more gradual- just perception of course; I wonder if anyone can throw any light on it.



Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


you don't see or feel UV though.. Indexes of 15 are found at times in the Antarctic summer thanks to the ozone hole, these are the same kinds of values found in Kenya or Sri Lanka during their summers... πŸ˜Šβ˜€οΈ

Bertwhistle
17 February 2016 13:35:01


 


you don't see or feel UV though.. Indexes of 15 are found at times in the Antarctic summer thanks to the ozone hole, these are the same kinds of values found in Kenya or Sri Lanka during their summers... πŸ˜Šβ˜€οΈ


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


But you can certainly feel and see the effects of UV- even yesterday in the sunshine, my face felt prickly. And you know that intense light you get in a Mediterranean summer- much more dazzling than here even with dark surfaces around. There's definitely a changing appearance of light on surfaces. Even in September the light can take on a yellowy appearance, and in March it seems purer. Is there a time early in the year, do you think, that the residual winter ozone you mentioned quite regularly starts to reduce? Would it be about February/ March? I bet there's an average ozone table somewhere for this part of Europe.


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picturesareme
17 February 2016 16:00:34


 


But you can certainly feel and see the effects of UV- even yesterday in the sunshine, my face felt prickly. And you know that intense light you get in a Mediterranean summer- much more dazzling than here even with dark surfaces around. There's definitely a changing appearance of light on surfaces. Even in September the light can take on a yellowy appearance, and in March it seems purer. Is there a time early in the year, do you think, that the residual winter ozone you mentioned quite regularly starts to reduce? Would it be about February/ March? I bet there's an average ozone table somewhere for this part of Europe.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


the light is down the angle of the sun in the sky, the heat is mostly infrared...


http://www.herschel-infrared.com/heater-fundamentals/how-it-works/

Roger Parsons
20 February 2016 07:45:05

Snow, cold, winter??? I'm enjoying some lovely early spring sunshine in the park at the moment and it feels lovely β˜€οΈ

The birds are chirping away, the flowers are in bloom...

And this little fella agrees

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Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Thanks, Pix-R-me


Without seeing her bottom clearly I can't be sure [I expect they all say that!] but looking at the stripes and the hint of a white tail, plus the balance of probabilities,  I would say Bombus leucorum.


See simple answer, then the more complex answer:


http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/species/white-tailed-bumblebee


http://www.bwars.com/index.php?q=content/bombus-lucorum


Roger


 


 


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Skreever
20 February 2016 08:30:43
Lots of tete a tete daffodils now - first came through in 3rd week of January. Snowdrops now profuse and crocus appearing in clumps.
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Bertwhistle
20 February 2016 11:24:27

Lots of tete a tete daffodils now - first came through in 3rd week of January. Snowdrops now profuse and crocus appearing in clumps.

Originally Posted by: Skreever 


Glad to know it's thoroughly thawing out up there Rod! How are those geese?


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20 February 2016 16:08:06

Lilies are showing growing signs..  Shall  have to bury them deeper.. 






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picturesareme
20 February 2016 16:59:38


 


 


Thanks, Pix-R-me


Without seeing her bottom clearly I can't be sure [I expect they all say that!] but looking at the stripes and the hint of a white tail, plus the balance of probabilities,  I would say Bombus leucorum.


See simple answer, then the more complex answer:


http://www.wildlifetrusts.org/species/white-tailed-bumblebee


http://www.bwars.com/index.php?q=content/bombus-lucorum


Roger


 


 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


i think you might have identified it rightly😊 

picturesareme
20 February 2016 17:03:44
Even on a miserable day the dafs can brighten the place up 😏

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Skreever
20 February 2016 23:38:37


 


Glad to know it's thoroughly thawing out up there Rod! How are those geese?


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Lots of them around just now - gobbling up the winter fodder for the sheep.  


Shooting going on so lots of goose available at selected outlets on the islands.  Rather delicious.


 


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21 February 2016 13:54:37

Magnolia flowers in plenty on the park trees this morning - sure sign of a frost or two to come!


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picturesareme
25 February 2016 12:13:41
Something that only happens in spring here today...

I was cycling at around 8:30am this morning along a nice open back road in the city centre on the sunny side. Along side me was a large East facing stone wall, and on the other side where cars in the shade. Where I was the air temperature was easily into double figures and it felt very pleasant in the morning sun, and yet less 8 meters away the cars where still frosted... 😊
ARTzeman
25 February 2016 14:00:02

Some alder in the lane are well in to new leaves. Fruit trees  in pots on patio are coming into life. Seen Buzzards soaring around. 






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Saint Snow
25 February 2016 17:14:56


Early signs of spring?


The ermergence of HLB and a southerly-tracking Jet, which will remain with us until around November.


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow, back in early Feb 


 


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27 February 2016 16:45:20

Back in the real world ...


 


Bluebells in flower in a copse near here (East Ashling for those who know the area), here and there, probably a couple of dozen stems, not just one rogue specimen.


 


I've never seen bluebells in February before. Indeed, living in the south-east for the last 40+ years, I've come to regard the last week of March as early for the first bluebells.


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Bertwhistle
27 February 2016 16:56:06


Back in the real world ...


 


Bluebells in flower in a copse near here (East Ashling for those who know the area), here and there, probably a couple of dozen stems, not just one rogue specimen.


 


I've never seen bluebells in February before. Indeed, living in the south-east for the last 40+ years, I've come to regard the last week of March as early for the first bluebells.


Originally Posted by: DEW 


That's amazing Dave; referring to Lionel's post earlier, we do keep diaries of 'first' dates for various things although we're not as persistent with it as we might be. However, looking back through all my sad tattered bits of paper from the 1980s on, I've only got 3 bluebell records: I don't know why, when, like you, we're fairly blessed with them around here.


One is a comment referring to perceived & unproven averages (3rd week April) in 1984; one is from 1986 (no buds April 16); one is from 1990 (blue showing in buds March 31st). I'm sure there have been earlier ones here but as you say..February? Then again, the daffs were in full flower nearby before old November was out. Despite recent cold, it seems the florosphere  has early momentum that hasn't been checked by February's little cold splashes. Soil temps maybe??


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27 February 2016 17:15:25


 


That's amazing Dave; referring to Lionel's post earlier, we do keep diaries of 'first' dates for various things although we're not as persistent with it as we might be. However, looking back through all my sad tattered bits of paper from the 1980s on, I've only got 3 bluebell records: I don't know why, when, like you, we're fairly blessed with them around here.


One is a comment referring to perceived & unproven averages (3rd week April) in 1984; one is from 1986 (no buds April 16); one is from 1990 (blue showing in buds March 31st). I'm sure there have been earlier ones here but as you say..February? Then again, the daffs were in full flower nearby before old November was out. Despite recent cold, it seems the florosphere  has early momentum that hasn't been checked by February's little cold splashes. Soil temps maybe??


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


I've only kept records since retiring to Chichester, and not systematically (i.e., just wherever I happened to be); First bluebells as follows. The 'amazingly early' comment is rather contradicted by dates in subsequent years. A warm decade? or sssssh - you know what!


26/3/07 Forest of Bere  (Portsmouth) recorded as 'amazingly early'


26/3/08 Billingshurst


20/4/10 Whitchurch


29/3/11 Bolney (in bud, blue but not open)


14/3/12 Chichester (a bit of a cheat, one in a garden)


24/4/13 Duncton (Petworth)


7/4/15 Hamble


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27 February 2016 17:16:55


 


I've only kept records since retiring to Chichester, and not systematically (i.e., just wherever I happened to be); First bluebells as follows. The 'amazingly early' comment is rather contradicted by dates in subsequent years. A warm decade? or sssssh - you know what!


26/3/07 Forest of Bere  (Portsmouth) recorded as 'amazingly early'


26/3/08 Billingshurst


20/4/10 Whitchurch


29/3/11 Bolney (in bud, blue but not open)


14/3/12 Chichester (a bit of a cheat, one in a garden)


24/4/13 Duncton (Petworth)


7/4/15 Hamble


and now


27/2/16 Ashling (Chichester)


Originally Posted by: DEW 


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