Were the cold, snowy winters of 08, 09 and 10 a figment of my imagination?

Originally Posted by: Tractor Boy 

I think one of the major players in winter potential in this corner of the world is Atlantic temps. Winter really seems to have died a death since they have warmed in the last decade or 15 years or thereabouts. From my own experience, even during mild winters before then, we still could get quite a bit of snow at times, even from a westerly source. Real Atlantic storms (and I don't mean the watered down 'Barney' types)have virtually become extinct also since the Atlantic has warmed. For me, winter nowadays has just become an extension of summer, if just a little cooler (at times)

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

After yesterday’s nasty, grey, windy conditions, which were worse than the named storms produced in December, it was depressing as hell once again this morning. Grey with some sleety drizzle and a nasty chill in the air but nowhere near a frost again.  Min 2C, max 3C, grey, windy and damp. Could there be winter weather more repellent than this? Simply vile.

Last year the nightmare finally came to an end on 13th January. Just when the hell is this disgusting, dull and depressing extreme frost-free dross going to relent?

These two charts some up how dire the UK climate is. Look at how little rain there was for most in December http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/anomacts/2016/12/2016_12_Rainfall_Anomaly_1981-2010.gif 

Yet rain days were above average for the majority http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/pub/data/weather/uk/climate/anomacts/2016/12/2016_12_RainDays02_Anomaly_1981-2010.gif 

Not my idea of what a “dry” month should be like

Originally Posted by: richardabdn 

Does that include the winter of 2014 which saw to 11 significant storm systems? After all, one of those took out a certain railway sea wall.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

Yes.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

I don`t mind the sunny frosty days but the overcast,dull drizzly days (3rd Jan and today) are really depressing. Anyone with suicidal tendencies couldn`t pick a better day to end it all.

Roll on Summer.

Originally Posted by: bradders 

I think one of the major players in winter potential in this corner of the world is Atlantic temps. Winter really seems to have died a death since they have warmed in the last decade or 15 years or thereabouts. From my own experience, even during mild winters before then, we still could get quite a bit of snow at times, even from a westerly source. Real Atlantic storms (and I don't mean the watered down 'Barney' types)have virtually become extinct also since the Atlantic has warmed. For me, winter nowadays has just become an extension of summer, if just a little cooler (at times)

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Not only is that counter intutitive, its absolute rubbish.  

And I would also question whether the Atlantic has warmed in recent years

Originally Posted by: Essan 

1. Nope, not rubbish. I've posted stats on such, from Valentia to Malin, more than once on this forum


2. Yes, it has. You can find data on such on the KNMI climate site. Again, I've already done so and posted the results on this very forum.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Ah, right. It doesnt occur in your back garden ergo it does not exist

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Ah, right. It doesnt occur in your back garden ergo it does not exist

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Jaysus, you must think I have one hell of a big back garden..

Here is a link to some climate data. At least back up your claims with some stats:

https://climexp.knmi.nl/start.cgi?id=someone@somewhere

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Where's this mild weekend then? Currently 4c here, I was promised 10c on Saturday. Bloody mild spells, always get downgraded when they finally arrive.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

Lucky bugger - it was 8c here this morning.   Gonna have to ditch the duvet again if I want a decent nights sleep

Originally Posted by: Essan 

http://www.climate4you.com/SeaTemperatures.htm#North%20Atlantic%20(60-0W,%2030-65N)%20heat%20content%200-700%20m%20depth

Originally Posted by: Essan 

You are the one who claimed that "real" Atlantic storms have become "extinct".   You show me the evidence that these storms  never occurred

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Still warmer than normal? does nothing to prove your claim that the Atlantic has not warmed at all.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Where's this mild weekend then? Currently 4c here, I was promised 10c on Saturday. Bloody mild spells, always get downgraded when they finally arrive.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

I never said that. 

I said "I would also question whether the Atlantic has warmed in recent years".  The evidence appears to show it has not.

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Then you are deliberately misrepresenting my post in which I said that the Atlantic has warmed over the last 15 years or so. The recent downward trend still does not hide the fact that the Atlantic is still warmer than normal. What you were attempting to question had nothing to do with what I put forward.

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea