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Gooner
03 December 2017 22:37:12

Potential Easterly on this run 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
03 December 2017 22:38:43


 


I think that the main factor here might just be the blocking high to our west that has been coming and going recently and which as has been said before, is largely helped by a lack of any high pressure to our south. This would result in a north to south pattern of the jet stream which could work in one or two ways since we could either be on the western side of that block with the jet stream running northwards (which would result in us getting some really mild air coming up from the south), or we could be on the eastern side of that block with the jet stream then running back southwards and resulting in us getting cold northerly winds from the Arctic. So far, we have been lucky enough to be on that eastern side of the block with the jet stream running from north to south.


Generally, weather systems upon following the route of that jet stream around that block with then be diverted northwards on the western side of the block which in this case, would probably be just off the American seaboard. Those weather systems would then move around the top of that high pressure and thus approach us from the north-west before diving southwards across the country as it continues to follow the jet stream.


Basically, these weather systems are effectively just returning to their original latitudes and whilst crossing the UK, they might bring slightly less cold air for a time with cold northerly winds then coming in behind then. If there is also some high pressure to our south though, that would stop those weather systems from being able to get back south but if that high pressure isn't there, these weather systems can return south more freely and I don't think that this would require any further blocking to our east or north-east in order for that to happen.


Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


Very well explained John, this backs up my thoughts from October to current date and time.  You have said it the way it has been.😆😏.


Every now and then the GFS, ECMWF and the UKMO Models keep picking up this setup.  Very finely based on Meridional, Confluent Jetstream, adjoining plunging, double wide 2 stream interconnect, with linkages and ups and downs as well as supporting blocking high to our West and in Greenland to N Atlantic Sea.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
squish
03 December 2017 22:39:46

Extended UKMO looks rather uninspiring:

https://ruc.noaa.gov/hfip/tcgen/

A quick return to westerlies after that collapse of HP southwards.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


https://ruc.noaa.gov/hfip/tcgen/2017/2017120312/ukm2.2017121012.168.lant.troplant.prp.fcst.gentracker.png


 


(posted wrong chart!!)


shows slider scenario to my eyes?


 


 


 


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
nsrobins
03 December 2017 22:40:42

Extended UKMO looks rather uninspiring:

https://ruc.noaa.gov/hfip/tcgen/

A quick return to westerlies after that collapse of HP southwards.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Im not sure what some posters see that I don’t? 


The 168 has more of a decent slider waiting to slide than GFS IMO


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
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Rob K
03 December 2017 22:44:01

I really don't understand what the GFS is playing at. It looks as though it should be flattening out and then it somehow goes cold again. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
squish
03 December 2017 22:44:52
Agree...slider. The link showed a +60 hr chart. Anything past +120 is a bit of a punt at the moment. Quite exciting charts though for the start of winter....
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
squish
03 December 2017 22:46:20
Extended JMA...continued slider set-up. Always the most interesting...but hardest to forecast...

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma/runs/2017120312/JN264-21.GIF?03-12 

D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
doctormog
03 December 2017 22:46:23

Optimism level much lower having seen the UKMO and 18Z GFS. Looks like the hints of southerly diving jet were a red herring and it will be back to a straightforward westerly regime in a little over a week.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Yes never mind perhaps the 00z run will be better than this


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_117_1.png 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_324_1.png



I’m beginning to think I’m on a different planet or at least viewing different charts.


ballamar
03 December 2017 22:47:54
Extended GFS is a snowfest
Polar Low
03 December 2017 22:49:08

Indeed M getting a push from the n/e on this run




 


Yes never mind perhaps the 00z run will be better than this


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_117_1.png 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_324_1.png



I’m beginning to think I’m on a different planet or at least viewing different charts.


Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Gandalf The White
03 December 2017 22:51:11


 


Im not sure what some posters see that I don’t? 


The 168 has more of a decent slider waiting to slide than GFS IMO


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Yes, some odd interpretations of the model output. Maybe because what is being shown is so unusual?


Very different pressure pattern over the Arctic on the 18z with large areas of high pressure and split vortex again, just even more evident. Something is afoot but the models seem to be struggling with the specifics so no point in getting hung up on the charts beyond a week ahead.


This is the best in terms of a very different view of the Arctic:



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gooner
03 December 2017 22:53:14

NEly late on a continuing theme from GFS 


 


V good charts really 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Gandalf The White
03 December 2017 22:53:20

Extended GFS is a snowfest

Originally Posted by: ballamar 


Really? It looks dry for most places - northern Scotland excepted.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gooner
03 December 2017 22:54:20


 


Im not sure what some posters see that I don’t? 


The 168 has more of a decent slider waiting to slide than GFS IMO


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


Spot on, it has slider all over it 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


ballamar
03 December 2017 22:56:36


 


Really? It looks dry for most places - northern Scotland excepted.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


yep would be slow moving embedded troughs anc cold 

Gooner
03 December 2017 22:57:47


 


Really? It looks dry for most places - northern Scotland excepted.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Miles out to get into too much of a debate but I should imagine winds from the NE across the N Sea would bring showers inland 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Polar Low
03 December 2017 22:58:51

Are you sure Peter



 


 



 



 


Really? It looks dry for most places - northern Scotland excepted.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

tallyho_83
03 December 2017 23:01:08

Such a long way off but this blocking of 1050 mb over the north Pole/Arctic has really pushed cold air our way if this materializes:



 


 


The PV is split and disturbed: - View from northern Hemisphere: - obviously this is just for fun and unreliable time frame but i've run the sequence and pressure (block) over the north pole stays high and strengthens to 1050mb. We do end FI with what looks like a return to zonal but I doubt this will be for long! Look at below's southerly tracking LP systems!? (into France and Spain)



Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


Polar Low
tallyho_83
03 December 2017 23:09:58


Such a long way off but this blocking of 1050 mb over the north Pole/Arctic has really pushed cold air our way if this materializes:



 


 


The PV is split and disturbed: - View from northern Hemisphere: - obviously this is just for fun and unreliable time frame but i've run the sequence and pressure (block) over the north pole stays high and strengthens to 1050mb. We do end FI with what looks like a return to zonal but I doubt this will be for long! Look at below's southerly tracking LP systems!? (into France and Spain)



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 



Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


Gandalf The White
03 December 2017 23:11:22


Are you sure Peter


 


  


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Yes, thanks. Run through the precipitation charts; very few show anything of consequence. Certainly no evidence there of a ‘snowfest’.



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gooner
03 December 2017 23:13:02

So much potential from the control st 156 , slider racing towards the BI


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
03 December 2017 23:13:02


 


Spot on, it has slider all over it 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


I think that 12z GFS appears to have to sort it’s mess out again at 192-216 hours period.


Comparing it to the ECMWF Model I can see that the UK is clearly on the cold Continental European Setup, with Canadian Newfoundland Low push across the UK after an southerly zipping Low goes SW of us to Spain.


It looks like the UKMO will be showing the ECMWF continued North to SE moving Strong Jet from Newfoundland and SE of Canada and via SW off Greenland which means we will see a Cyclonic Low cross is NW then NE flow across the UK after the Monday not this week coming but after (Edit*) or delay it to Wednesday with cold weather.


There is a theme on the GFS and ECMWF in last 48 hours giving us a bit of a lull in our Cold spell after the NW wagging East and N SE of UK at the T144 mark.  168 and 192- NW Atlantic East SE direction flow but with UK drying up and less cold for about 48 hours Sunday and Monday after coming Saturday.  The Azores High will move west from the location of close to NW of Azores at 800 miles located in mid North Central Atlantic, we should see another Build of Greenland High by Tuesday and Wednesday next week with a brief link to Central N Atlantic High.  At that point cold weather should return Late on Tuesday into Wednesday the week following the from after next week.


😀.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Gandalf The White
03 December 2017 23:13:35


 


Miles out to get into too much of a debate but I should imagine winds from the NE across the N Sea would bring showers inland 


Originally Posted by: Gooner 


Yes, very much in the distant future. But, as they say, this is the model output discussion thread and I was discussing what it shows. Sorry....



Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


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