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bowser
08 December 2017 10:18:47


 


 


Yup - and especially when it's the Southeasterners!


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


BBC news won't have any other content if it comes off..

LeedsLad123
08 December 2017 10:24:00


 


 


Yup - and especially when it's the Southeasterners!


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I am going to be mightily miffed if we end up with nothing but places down south get a pasting. I will have to keep my TV turned off entirely if that happens! 

Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
NickR
08 December 2017 10:25:12


 


... and especially when it is the same ones who constantly get all of the decent weather during the summer which is around. This just shows that in the world of weather at least, life just isn't fair.


I seem to remember a similar thing happening last winter not so much with snow, but with the temperatures. I think that this was back in January (although I might be wrong of course) when the south of England was actually colder than average overall during that month whilst here in Scotland, it was milder than average yet again.


That was the only colder than average month which I can remember anyone getting in recent times, and it had to end up being the south of England which got that. I mean, who would below that the south of England could actually be colder than Scotland? Yet, that is what happened on this occasion and of course, it is just Sod's Law that this had to happen during the winter.


 


Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


This. Exactly this.

Nick
Durham
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Darren S
08 December 2017 10:27:45


 


 


Yup - and especially when it's the Southeasterners!


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Look at my signature for how much snow we've had in the last 4 winters and tell me Scotland or Durham has had less? St. Helen's it wouldn't surprise me if you had had less but I think seeing Scots moaning about the SE getting more snow than them isn't valid. 

Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Saint Snow
08 December 2017 10:28:31

 


... and especially when it is the same ones who constantly get all of the decent weather during the summer which is around. This just shows that in the world of weather at least, life just isn't fair.


Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


 


At risk of getting all UIA, they get the bulk of the money and investment, too



You're right... life isn't fair


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
Saint Snow
08 December 2017 10:29:48

 


Look at my signature for how much snow we've had in the last 4 winters and tell me Scotland has had less?


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


 


Not that much behind MBY (and you've had more than Blackburn & Manchester, for instance)


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
NickR
08 December 2017 10:32:48


 


Look at my signature for how much snow we've had in the last 4 winters and tell me Scotland or Durham has had less? St. Helen's it wouldn't surprise me if you had had less but I think seeing Scots moaning about the SE getting more snow than them isn't valid. 


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


We've not had much more than you over the last few years. Those figures could be applied here. The hills have got more, but not here.

Nick
Durham
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johncs2016
08 December 2017 10:39:35


 


 


At risk of getting all UIA, they get the bulk of the money and investment, too



You're right... life isn't fair


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Well, there is plenty more which I could say about that, but I will refrain from doing so here since I don't want to get a row from Brian from bringing politics into the main weather forum.


 

The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
LeedsLad123
08 December 2017 10:43:37


 


We've not had much more than you over the last few years. Those figures could be applied here. The hills have got more, but not here.


Originally Posted by: NickR 


Edinburgh's been pretty crap for snow too hasn't it? 


Anyway, hopefully the slider is 'corrected' so far south that nowhere in the UK is affected. 

Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Sharp Green Fox
08 December 2017 10:46:22
Never could understand the love of snow that happens on this site. Snow quite low down on my list of favourite weather types.

Just finished clearing my wife's car of the 5cm that fell here this morning, so that she could attend an appointment. Glad to be indoors again, although I concede it does look nice from indoors.
Saint Snow
08 December 2017 10:55:28

Never could understand the love of snow that happens on this site.

Originally Posted by: Sharp Green Fox 


 


You either get it or you don't.


 


 


Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
NickR
08 December 2017 10:58:34

 



 


Edinburgh's been pretty crap for snow too hasn't it? 


Anyway, hopefully the slider is 'corrected' so far south that nowhere in the UK is affected. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Bitterness and selfishness are much underrated. I'm fully in favour of embracing them when it comes to snow and other parts of England.

Nick
Durham
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David M Porter
08 December 2017 11:01:42


 


Edinburgh's been pretty crap for snow too hasn't it? 


Anyway, hopefully the slider is 'corrected' so far south that nowhere in the UK is affected. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Has anywhere in the UK really had an abundance of snow during any winter since the early part of 2013?


Not that I can instantly recall. Truth be told, we haven't really had a notable snowfall here at any time going all the way back to December 2010.

Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
johncs2016
08 December 2017 11:03:02


 


Edinburgh's been pretty crap for snow too hasn't it? 


Anyway, hopefully the slider is 'corrected' so far south that nowhere in the UK is affected. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


You are absolutely correct. Even if there is snow around the Edinburgh area, that very rarely gets right across the city to the north of Edinburgh. This means that we can on a number of occasions find cars and vehicles coming into the city with bucketloads of snow on top of them, only to find that there isn't actually any snow here (and in a few of those occasions, it will actually just be raining here at that time).


Things have been so bad here recently though, I can't even remember the last time that there was even any snow in that outer vicinity. If there is going to be any snow in this area, the first place to see that would normally be on the top of the Pentland Hills. Yet, even the Pentland Hills have been completely bare of snow just about all the time and over the entire autumn/winter season, I can only remember there being just the one covering of snow on the top of the Pentland Hills and even that didn't last for long.


If you want to find a good source of data for what the snow situation is on the Pentland Hills, you don't need to go any further than the website for Jerry from Morningside's local weather station at Swanston. If that snow goes all the way down to lower levels, that site will tell you what the snow depth is at that station, otherwise it will tell you what the level of the snow line in feet is on the Pentland Hills at that time. For this month so far, there hasn't been a single entry there so far for snow depth or even the snow line level on the Pentland Hills and that just tells you how much of a complete non-event this winter has been so far in terms of snow in this part of the world.


Yet, it never used to be like that because I can remember back in my younger days when there would be the first covering of snow on the Pentland Hills as early as late October with maximum temperatures here, now down to around 7°C. From that, I always knew then, that winter was well and truly on its way.


 


 

The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Solar Cycles
08 December 2017 11:03:15


 


Has anywhere in the UK really had an abundance of snow during any winter since December 2010


Not that I can instantly recall. Truth be told, we haven't really had a notable snowfall here at any time going all the way back to December 2010.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

Corrected for you Dave. 😁

tallyho_83
08 December 2017 12:26:20
Exeter once again looks set to remain bone dry - showers over Moors to West and to east and as for Sunday it looks like cold rain! Dire! I thought one wintry shower would have been the least bit appropriate. Just one!! See latest rainfall radar - looks bone dry for east Devon.

Wales and N. Ireland must be doing well and the Isle of man look like they are getting a good plastering of snow or sleet!?


http://www.raintoday.co.uk/ 
Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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picturesareme
08 December 2017 12:41:37
There are no snow warning out for the southeast on Monday!! Get a grip you spoilt northerners
LeedsLad123
08 December 2017 13:12:35

There are no snow warning out for the southeast on Monday!! Get a grip you spoilt northerners

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
Tim A
08 December 2017 13:18:44
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/mobile/forecast/gcwf6jyz1#?date=2017-12-10 
Whilst this forecast continues to shows snow for Sunday I will not remain concerned about the northern extent of the snow.
Forecast was spot on last night abut when the heavy snow showers would occur.
Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
tallyho_83
08 December 2017 17:46:31
It looks dire for the south - looks like that not even will we see any snow in the south but we won't see any significant or widespread frost!?

Yet again for the second time the south west (Exeter) has missed out on the wintry showers of sleet and snow - not even one!! All showers have been to the NW. I thought this northerly it's meant to get colder each time? Yet the temperature has been stuck at +4c since 3pm. Just bone dry! There was a spit of rain around 345pm with 5 seconds of ice pellets and this was merely noticeable too as it was so light. Now tomorrow we will have no wintry showers. Tonight we won't get frost due to the wind and Sunday we expect rain! Dire colder northerly spell for East Devon.
Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


Solar Cycles
08 December 2017 21:27:48
I think I may well take up residence here for the remainder of this winter, the s**ts hit the fan with regards to Sunday’s snow event ( as things stand ) and tomorrow looks like a messy rain, sleet and snow affair according to the MetO. On a more serious note I think I’ll just ignore the MetO and various other outlets and stick my head out of the window, it’s more accurate amd saves me wasting hours on end trying to decipher MOD output and read all the manic tweets, threads and hopecasts. 😂
johncs2016
08 December 2017 21:30:57
After my earlier discussion on this thread about the lack of snow on the Pentland Hills during this winter, I have looked more into that and what I have realised is that we have actually had more snow on those hills during a mild and zonal winter where there is no northern blocking to be seen, than what we have had this time.

Obviously mild and zonal winters which are westerly dominated are the absolute curse for cold weather lovers, and there is a good reason for that because such winters are also bad news for those of us here in Edinburgh as well in terms of snow as well as in terms of the temperatures. This is shown by the fact that even during a relatively cold spell, temperatures will still be getting up to around 6°C or 7°C during the day.

However, those sorts of temperatures are often still cold enough for any showers to fall as snow over high ground. Furthermore, those mild and zonal winters also tend to be wetter winters which mean that we usually always end up getting those showers which are often very frequent and merging together into longer spells of rain. Since it is cold enough for these showers to be falling as snow over high ground at those times, this is often enough for that to be the case over the Pentland Hills as well so that these hills can often take quite a pasting of snow during these periods, even though these periods are always short-lived before the next weather system brings the next bit of really mild weather.

As well as that, there are often times during those relatively cold spells when the air gets cold enough to bring some transient snow to lower levels including here in Edinburgh. Therefore, there have been many mild and zonal winters which have brought a lot more snow to the Pentland Hills than what we are seeing just now, and that just has to confirm just how much of a non-event, this winter has been in terms of snow in this part of the world.
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
tallyho_83
09 December 2017 00:09:42

I think I may well take up residence here for the remainder of this winter, the s**ts hit the fan with regards to Sunday’s snow event ( as things stand ) and tomorrow looks like a messy rain, sleet and snow affair according to the MetO. On a more serious note I think I’ll just ignore the MetO and various other outlets and stick my head out of the window, it’s more accurate amd saves me wasting hours on end trying to decipher MOD output and read all the manic tweets, threads and hopecasts. 😂

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 


 


Actually very sensible - and at any rate when we were in November none of the models predicted this northerly wind and colder spell!not that it's even that severe anyway - remember the CFS V2 predicted the exact opposite - (poor play & very unreliable!)

Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


tallyho_83
09 December 2017 00:12:49

After my earlier discussion on this thread about the lack of snow on the Pentland Hills during this winter, I have looked more into that and what I have realised is that we have actually had more snow on those hills during a mild and zonal winter where there is no northern blocking to be seen, than what we have had this time.

Obviously mild and zonal winters which are westerly dominated are the absolute curse for cold weather lovers, and there is a good reason for that because such winters are also bad news for those of us here in Edinburgh as well in terms of snow as well as in terms of the temperatures. This is shown by the fact that even during a relatively cold spell, temperatures will still be getting up to around 6°C or 7°C during the day.

However, those sorts of temperatures are often still cold enough for any showers to fall as snow over high ground. Furthermore, those mild and zonal winters also tend to be wetter winters which mean that we usually always end up getting those showers which are often very frequent and merging together into longer spells of rain. Since it is cold enough for these showers to be falling as snow over high ground at those times, this is often enough for that to be the case over the Pentland Hills as well so that these hills can often take quite a pasting of snow during these periods, even though these periods are always short-lived before the next weather system brings the next bit of really mild weather.

As well as that, there are often times during those relatively cold spells when the air gets cold enough to bring some transient snow to lower levels including here in Edinburgh. Therefore, there have been many mild and zonal winters which have brought a lot more snow to the Pentland Hills than what we are seeing just now, and that just has to confirm just how much of a non-event, this winter has been in terms of snow in this part of the world.

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


Very True John - For instance it's just gone midnight and still large parts of the UK (major towns/cities etc) are at or above Freezing and tonight/tomorrow should have been the peak of our cold spell! 


Nice to see snow in places that haven't seen it yet and to see Aberdeen in snow but once again it's hardly bitterly cold there it's like 0.5c or +1c 

Home Location - Kellands Lane, Okehampton, Devon (200m ASL)
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Sean Moon
Magical Moon
www.magical-moon.com


johncs2016
09 December 2017 01:36:16


 


Very True John - For instance it's just gone midnight and still large parts of the UK (major towns/cities etc) are at or above Freezing and tonight/tomorrow should have been the peak of our cold spell! 


Nice to see snow in places that haven't seen it yet and to see Aberdeen in snow but once again it's hardly bitterly cold there it's like 0.5c or +1c 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


The lack of snow is one thing, but we also have remember that here in Edinburgh, we have also build up quite a large warmer than average temperature anomaly for this month here in Edinburgh as a result of what happened before this latest cold spell started. This current cold spell should bring that anomaly down a bit but that anomaly has already got to a stage now where if we have any more milder periods during this month, then this month can't really be anything other than a milder than average month overall. To me, the fact that the models are predicting milder weather at around Christmas only serves to seal that fate.


 

The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

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