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jhall
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23 February 2018 19:20:46

It seemed like this might be an opportune moment to start a topic on classic snowstorms of the past. For the first two, I've gone back to the 19th century. The blizzard of 17th-21st January 1881 was for much of southern England, the south Midlands and south Wales arguably the worst during the last 150 years or more. Fortunately, buried deep in the Met Office's online archive is the issue of Symons's Monthly Meteorological Magazine for February that year, which has detailed contemporary accounts of the storm:


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/file/sdb%3AdigitalFile%7Cbee0b22e-4d58-4ba6-96a8-1a0449625f3f/


The reanalysis chart for the 18th January is here:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=2&jaar=1881&maand=01&dag=18&uur=1200&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref


I wouldn't put too much faith in the 850 mb temperatures, as this was I think well before the use of met balloons, or even kites, to get upper air measurements.


In south-west England the blizzard of 9th-10th March 1891 (which affected all of southern England to some degree) was even worse, especially over Dartmoor, with many trains getting trapped by impenetrable drifts. There's an excellent book called "The Blizzard of '91" by Clive Carter, which I can thoroughly recommend. It was published over forty years ago, but second-hand copies are obtainable through Amazon. Here's the relevant issue of Symons's Monthly Meteorological Magazine:


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/file/sdb%3AdigitalFile%7Ccf47df28-ca37-475f-8695-bc8241dbbcd4/


The reanalysis chart for 9th March is here:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=2&jaar=1891&maand=03&dag=09&uur=1800&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref


I rather suspect that it has the 0C 850mb isotherm a bit too far north.


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23 February 2018 22:36:31
Good read, thanks! Just maybe in 2150 people will be talking about the great blizzard of March 2018!
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KevBrads1
23 February 2018 23:03:41
Late February 1933, a developing low came up against a cold block. Ireland was badly hit.
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Andrew E
23 February 2018 23:34:18


The reanalysis chart for 9th March is here:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=2&jaar=1891&maand=03&dag=09&uur=1800&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref


I rather suspect that it has the 0C 850mb isotherm a bit too far north.


Originally Posted by: jhall 



It definitely seems too far north compared to the contemporary accounts of the conditions. Heavy snow fell and accumulated on that day right down to the southern extremities of Devon and Cornwall, and the blizzard was also raging out in the Channel.


I too have read the book that you mention, indeed reading it as a child was one of the things which really sparked my interest in the weather. A must read for all snow lovers!


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23 February 2018 23:43:59
Need squish in here; he's the only one who has lived through these 😉
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23 February 2018 23:55:40


It seemed like this might be an opportune moment to start a topic on classic snowstorms of the past. For the first two, I've gone back to the 19th century. The blizzard of 17th-21st January 1881 was for much of southern England, the south Midlands and south Wales arguably the worst during the last 150 years or more. Fortunately, buried deep in the Met Office's online archive is the issue of Symons's Monthly Meteorological Magazine for February that year, which has detailed contemporary accounts of the storm:


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/file/sdb%3AdigitalFile%7Cbee0b22e-4d58-4ba6-96a8-1a0449625f3f/


The reanalysis chart for the 18th January is here:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=2&jaar=1881&maand=01&dag=18&uur=1200&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref


I wouldn't put too much faith in the 850 mb temperatures, as this was I think well before the use of met balloons, or even kites, to get upper air measurements.


In south-west England the blizzard of 9th-10th March 1891 (which affected all of southern England to some degree) was even worse, especially over Dartmoor, with many trains getting trapped by impenetrable drifts. There's an excellent book called "The Blizzard of '91" by Clive Carter, which I can thoroughly recommend. It was published over forty years ago, but second-hand copies are obtainable through Amazon. Here's the relevant issue of Symons's Monthly Meteorological Magazine:


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/file/sdb%3AdigitalFile%7Ccf47df28-ca37-475f-8695-bc8241dbbcd4/


The reanalysis chart for 9th March is here:


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/reanalysis.php?map=1&model=noaa&var=2&jaar=1891&maand=03&dag=09&uur=1800&h=0&tr=360&nmaps=24#mapref


I rather suspect that it has the 0C 850mb isotherm a bit too far north.


Originally Posted by: jhall 


Here is photo of the aftermath ths blizzard from one of the worst hit areas - Fareham.


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Rob K
24 February 2018 07:26:16
Here is an interesting read about 1891. Cold enough to freeze sailors into the rigging of a ship!

http://maritimeviews.nmmc.co.uk/index.php?/collections/featured_pictures/the_great_blizzard_of_1891 

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24 February 2018 07:57:46

Sunday 13th December 1981, I think some members on here will remember this one.



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polarwind
24 February 2018 08:09:48

The NW England storm of Jan 1940, gave Derby 450mm of snow, over a couple of days and more elsewhere.


 


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24 February 2018 10:14:55

1963 does it for me. the other notable fall since I was Out of the country. 






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Hungry Tiger
24 February 2018 14:23:40


Sunday 13th December 1981, I think some members on here will remember this one.



Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I remember that very well - part of a very cold December. The cold weather reastablished itsefl a few days later.


 


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jhall
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24 February 2018 18:06:43

Thanks to everyone. There are a couple of snowstorms there  (1908, 1933) that I wasn't previously aware of. Some great photos too.


As for 1963, there are several snowstorms to choose from. Which one did you have in mind?


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