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KevBrads1
02 March 2018 16:21:31


 


 


I literally no longer know what can produce snow for my area,  Ive tried everything.  



  • Frontal snow from the west - marginal

  • Frontal snow from the south - Dries out

  • Front snow from the south west - Wales shadow effect

  • Frontal snow from the east - Pennine snow effect

  • Showers from the north west - Marginal - hail and rain

  • Showers from the north - No coastal access to moisture

  • Showers from the east - Pennine shadow effect


Any of the above only applies in colder air... If this is the summer - literally no effect on precip amounts.  


 


I think everyone on this board who moans when it doesnt snow doesnt realise how lucky they are.  Snow events that you might consider rare - are maybe 10x rarer for us, yet we have to put up with cooler temps all year round.


 


This winter has been exceptional.  We have been in prime position on maybe half - a dozen times.  And weve seen little if any snowfall.  We saw 3 cms the other day.  Thats been our lot for this year.  


 


As march moves on, its beginning to become a pointless task, id rather take spring now.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


You probably need an Arctic NW or NNWly producing a Cheshire Gap effect. When was the last time you had one of them?  A stalling front like February 1996. A polar low tracking through the Wirral into the Cheshie Gap. 

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Shropshire
02 March 2018 16:22:03


And in all those years to come, when people reference this event and talk of it being 'legendary', we'll get that plunging sensation in the pit of our stomachs as we remember our briefly-laying couple of cm's and missing out on all the snowy fun.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Well imagine living through 63 - this would be happening about twice a week for 10 weeks ! 

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andy-manc
02 March 2018 16:26:08

It is a depressing sight. No matter what direction these showers come from, they stall, falter and fail as they approach here as if there's a hidden force. I remember there was a Sunday back in December when we were absolutely nailed on for heavy snow with a weather warning and it was snatched away from us very last minute. I'm still frustrated about that and the last week has just be a joke here for such a "legendary" and "memorable" spell of weather. We've had the wind and cold...just not the pretty stuff with it.

Saint Snow
02 March 2018 16:34:20


 


Well imagine living through 63 - this would be happening about twice a week for 10 weeks ! 


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


 


Yeah, I've been told that there was a snowfall on Boxing Day that put down about 3" and that was that for 3 months - dry as a bone and bloody cold.


 


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Shropshire
02 March 2018 16:37:06


 


 


Yeah, I've been told that there was a snowfall on Boxing Day that put down about 3" and that was that for 3 months - dry as a bone and bloody cold.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Yes a huge fall here I'm told around the 27th, but after that scraps compared to huge falls around the Birmingham area and of course West, East and South of there. 

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richardabdn
02 March 2018 18:11:17

Richardabdn
How about moving house a few miles out of Aberdeen - I live near insch, 28 miles for Aberdeen and we had had heavy snowfall for last 3 days, and road from our house Blocked by waist deep snow drifts

Nothing to moan about here

Originally Posted by: telemarker 


I would like to move to Aboyne or Ballater but don’t fancy the long commute into work every day. Shouldn’t need to though because we should be getting the snow here like we always used to.


Britain’s snowiest city suffering Britain’s worst snow drought. What a sick joke this is

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doctormog
02 March 2018 18:16:17
More of a snow deficit than a snow drought. It is currently snowing and there is a level 8cm in my garden. Entirely underwhelming but a good deal better than a few other places. It’s just a kick in the teeth though when there has been so much potential and it has delivered so relatively little.
Aberdeen
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richardabdn
02 March 2018 18:16:24


 


 


I literally no longer know what can produce snow for my area,  Ive tried everything.  



  • Frontal snow from the west - marginal

  • Frontal snow from the south - Dries out

  • Front snow from the south west - Wales shadow effect

  • Frontal snow from the east - Pennine snow effect

  • Showers from the north west - Marginal - hail and rain

  • Showers from the north - No coastal access to moisture

  • Showers from the east - Pennine shadow effect


Any of the above only applies in colder air... If this is the summer - literally no effect on precip amounts.  


 


I think everyone on this board who moans when it doesnt snow doesnt realise how lucky they are.  Snow events that you might consider rare - are maybe 10x rarer for us, yet we have to put up with cooler temps all year round.


 


This winter has been exceptional.  We have been in prime position on maybe half - a dozen times.  And weve seen little if any snowfall.  We saw 3 cms the other day.  Thats been our lot for this year.  


 


As march moves on, its beginning to become a pointless task, id rather take spring now.


Originally Posted by: Russwirral 


Exactly the same here – nothing will deliver a decent snowfall any more. 6cm seems to be most we can expect whereas that used to be closer to the least we could expect.


Frontal snow from the west – dry due to Grampian mountains rain shadow
Frontal snow from the south – marginal usually falls as rain/sleet due to coastal influence
Front snow from the south west - dry due to Grampian mountains rain shadow
Frontal snow from the east – always rain/sleet near the coast
Showers from the north west – very few showers get through despite only the WNW being sheltered by mountains
Showers from the north – always windy now so showers blow through too quickly and aren’t as heavy or as frequent as before
Showers from the east – inexplicably avoid here but have no problem hitting everywhere else on the East coast or laughably even parts of the West coast
 

The comment about summer also applies particularly for a NW flow which is one of the wettest directions at that time of year.

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richardabdn
02 March 2018 18:20:30

More of a snow deficit than a snow drought. It is currently snowing and there is a level 8cm in my garden. Entirely underwhelming but a good deal better than a few other places. It’s just a kick in the teeth though when there has been so much potential and it has delivered so relatively little.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Yes, my garden being one of them. Was still at 6cm this morning but I imagine some of that will have thawed by now.

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doctormog
02 March 2018 18:24:52
My snow depth was measured accurately at 5:30pm in a number of non-drifted locations. Unfortunately the streamer that was heading this way has disintegrated somewhat but it is still giving a few showers currently. That type of thing has been the most frustrating — seeing models and forecasts promise so much just for the convergence zone or other feature to end up further north and areas to the the north, south and west getting significantly more snow. Aberdeen must have been one of the few local authorities in eastern Britain not to have had school snow days.
Aberdeen
Current conditions (personal WS) 
richardabdn
02 March 2018 18:38:19

My snow depth was measured accurately at 5:30pm in a number of non-drifted locations. Unfortunately the streamer that was heading this way has disintegrated somewhat but it is still giving a few showers currently. That type of thing has been the most frustrating — seeing models and forecasts promise so much just for the convergence zone or other feature to end up further north and areas to the the north, south and west getting significantly more snow. Aberdeen must have been one of the few local authorities in eastern Britain not to have had school snow days.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


Seems to have disintegrated completely. Not even getting any showers here at all but can see the snow bearing clouds breaking up to the north. It's beyond a joke  

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Peter
02 March 2018 18:44:59


 


You probably need an Arctic NW or NNWly producing a Cheshire Gap effect. When was the last time you had one of them?  A stalling front like February 1996. A polar low tracking through the Wirral into the Cheshie Gap. 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


Yes heavy settling snow on the Wirral doesn't happen very often, December 3rd 2010 dumped about 8 inches in New Brighton when I visited my parents, that was probably the most intense rate of snowfall I've ever experienced.

KevBrads1
02 March 2018 19:39:26


And in all those years to come, when people reference this event and talk of it being 'legendary', we'll get that plunging sensation in the pit of our stomachs as we remember our briefly-laying couple of cm's and missing out on all the snowy fun.


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Saint


You are complaining about your couple of cms or was it 3cm?


There's a member on netweather called reef, he's been recording weather data for his location for over 30 years.


Do you what know his greatest snow depth was? 1cm


Do you know where he lives? 


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And your complaining about your inch?  

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Saint Snow
02 March 2018 20:05:46


 


Saint


You are complaining about your couple of cms or was it 3cm?


There's a member on netweather called reef, he's been recording weather data for his location for over 30 years.


Do you what know his greatest snow depth was? 1cm


Do you know where he lives? 


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And your complaining about your inch?  


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


 


Most of it was gone by the afternoon.


Not sure how another person's snowfall history is relevant to me, though. 


My annoyance is chiefly related to the snow shield effect - how the boundary of decent snow to our east and south has doggedly remained about 30 miles away.


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KevBrads1
02 March 2018 21:30:17


 


Not sure how another person's snowfall history is relevant to me, though. 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


It's called a comparison, Saint. Comparing records. You find that a lot when dabbling with weather data.....


 

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jhall
02 March 2018 21:45:44

This topic's subtitle, "Its a southern thing", perhaps needs to be renamed "It's a coastal West Sussex, Portsmouth, Lancashire and Aberdeen thing". 

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Russwirral
03 March 2018 09:46:54
fell asleep on the couch last night for 15 mins after a whole day of watching the radar get close to, but die about 10 miles short.

The odd flurry in the air as small echoes were reaching us... I woke about 1015pm looked out and a shower had just past over leaving around 8mm of snow.

I missed the only snowfall after chasing it for say 48 hrs.

Cheated

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Saint Snow
03 March 2018 11:40:59


It's called a comparison, Saint. Comparing records. You find that a lot when dabbling with weather data.... 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


 


Shall I compare my snow record with Cairngorm instead then? 


I don't think I do too bad here compared to the whole country. But this recent spell has really pee'd me off.


Anyway, the thin cover of snow still lying in my back garden is slowly thawing and becoming very patchy. And my icicles have disappeared.


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Joe Bloggs
03 March 2018 11:46:19


 


 


Shows the variability even close by. In MBY both Jan & March 13 delivered much deeper snowfalls (3x >10cm, 1x ~5cm, one or two other coverings). We had deeper snow that this poxy spell has delivered on at three occasions in 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2016/17 (including around 7cm on Boxing Day night 2014)


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yep this is the interesting thing. Jan and March 2013 were crap in my part of Manchester with barely any snow. 


My theory is Manchester does better on convective easterlies, whereas Merseyside does better when fronts are involved. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
Saint Snow
03 March 2018 11:56:09

 


Yep this is the interesting thing. Jan and March 2013 were crap in my part of Manchester with barely any snow. 


My theory is Manchester does better on convective easterlies, whereas Merseyside does better when fronts are involved. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


 


You could be right. I can't remember the exact weekends of the Mar 13 events (and they both happened on Friday nights!) because the laptop the pics are held on is currently a bit knackered and Photobucket hasn't date-marked the couple of loaded up. But at least one was from a front moving in from the east.


I was looking at the motorway webcam screenshots I took of the Jan 25th 13 fall from the M62 and M6 skirting St Helens and they're staggeringly good. The mad thing is, the synoptics for that date are, when looked at in isolation, poor (850's are approaching 0c). But when you look backwards, there was a cold pool (-10c 850's) in situ the day before after a NE'ly flow. The snow lasted on the ground just a couple of days. 


2013 was the year our sledges got a battering!


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Tim A
03 March 2018 11:57:05
Unfortunately with any spell some people will get lucky and others will be unlucky. Deep cold doesn't automatically mean everywhere will get snow. Although it's hard to remember that when you are looking at eye watering charts.

I think if some parts of East Yorkshire did only get 1cm this can be classed as very unlucky and a big shock given the setup. I would be devastated if I lived there as I would expect the right to deep snow in this setup.

The NW was always going to be the place that required some luck in this setup to get snow so it's not that surprising that some parts missed out although other parts of the NW did really well. But your time will come. You will probably get a disruptive snowfall in a cold spell that is less hyped and less covered by the media.

Tim
NW Leeds
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Saint Snow
03 March 2018 12:11:15

But your time will come. You will probably get a disruptive snowfall in a cold spell that is less hyped and less covered by the media.

Originally Posted by: Tim A 


 


That's often the case! Like I said earlier in the thread, we don't do that badly here - but it does often seem to be during spells that the media takes little/no notice of.



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LeedsLad123
03 March 2018 12:16:46
In fairness, our best snowfall of the past 30 years occurred during a winter that very few people remember.
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Joe Bloggs
03 March 2018 12:31:36


 


 


You could be right. I can't remember the exact weekends of the Mar 13 events (and they both happened on Friday nights!) because the laptop the pics are held on is currently a bit knackered and Photobucket hasn't date-marked the couple of loaded up. But at least one was from a front moving in from the east.


I was looking at the motorway webcam screenshots I took of the Jan 25th 13 fall from the M62 and M6 skirting St Helens and they're staggeringly good. The mad thing is, the synoptics for that date are, when looked at in isolation, poor (850's are approaching 0c). But when you look backwards, there was a cold pool (-10c 850's) in situ the day before after a NE'ly flow. The snow lasted on the ground just a couple of days. 


2013 was the year our sledges got a battering!


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


I remember my absolute fury when the precipitation rapidly fizzled out as it hit Manchester.


The stuff from the east would hammer the Pennines, fizzle out as it hit Manchester, and then reinvigorate at Warrington. Liverpool did really well IIRC. The stuff from the west did the same the opposite way round. 


It happened in both January and March, over and over again. 


It’s clear that frontal events and convective showers give very mixed fortunes for our patch. 


Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL
tallyho_83
03 March 2018 12:47:55

I really wished this had occurred back in January!


Would crave some spring warmth now - sad to see snow go and drip drip but good that I CAN get out and drive ha! Horrible freezing rain - temp now dropped a further 1c since early hours down to 3.9c now with heavy rain - it could turn sleety again if it continues to fall. Be careful up north you have a lot of weather heading your way!

I may use this opportunity to rant at the fact the whole of next week looks unsettled and cold.

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