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Jiries
11 July 2013 22:50:53


Hot in FI mind you!



Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


That the trend for very hot weather to occur later in July and one to watch.  No rain for the foreseeable future.

Matty H
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12 July 2013 06:27:10
GFS, UKMO, ECM all amazing again this morning. ECM for the end of next week in particular is stunning.
Steam Fog
12 July 2013 06:29:16
Strong support for warm temperatures all through to 22 July.

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Scandy 1050 MB
12 July 2013 06:32:18



Hot in FI mind you!



Originally Posted by: Jiries 


That the trend for very hot weather to occur later in July and one to watch.  No rain for the foreseeable future.


Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


Late July could be very different on this morning's GFS - FI yes but from 276 hours it goes belly up:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=9&ech=276&mode=&carte=


 


Leading to this:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=9&ech=348&mode=&carte=


 


As it's FI may be gone on the next run but first time I've seen something like that for a while on a chart this far out so one to watch.


 


 

NickR
12 July 2013 06:37:47




Hot in FI mind you!



Originally Posted by: Scandy 1050 MB 


That the trend for very hot weather to occur later in July and one to watch.  No rain for the foreseeable future.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Late July could be very different on this morning's GFS - FI yes but from 276 hours it goes belly up:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=9&ech=276&mode=&carte=


 


Leading to this:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=9&ech=348&mode=&carte=


 


As it's FI may be gone on the next run but first time I've seen something like that for a while on a chart this far out so one to watch.


 


 


Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 


Yes. Ensembles are mixed. Still a number of runs go for prolonging the warmth, but the op isn't without support. Roughly 50/50.


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GIBBY
12 July 2013 07:34:13

Good morning. Here is the report on the midnight outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday July 12th 2013.


All models support a fine and dry spell to come for some considerable time. High pressure remains in total domination of the UK weather. However, as always in the UK there are some exceptions and there are a few small but subtle ones if you are under the place where such exceptions occur. Firstly low cloud and mist continues to be a pain for Easternmost coastal areas where cool air from the North Sea continues to be drawn in at times and this also applies to Northern Scotland at times too. Also more generally across Scotland tomorrow there will be more cloud with some light rain possible in the NW and later in the day on Saturday a few thundery showers may break out over Northern areas and on Sunday in the SE. Despite these exceptions the vast majority of the UK will enjoy prolonged and very warm or hot sunshine with small amounts of cloud and light winds. The High pressure responsible will lie close to Western Britain through the weekend and settles down to the SW for a time early next week.


GFS then builds the High pressure back across all areas through next week to settle over the UK with Nationwide fine, sunny and very warm weather for all through the week. Later in the run this morning though the trend has reverted to a progression of rather cooler and more unsettled weather to edge down from the North affecting the North and East at first but all areas by the end of the run with showers and outbreaks of rain a risk for all by then.


The GFS Ensembles show the operational as much of a cold outlier at the end as much as it was a hot one on yesterday's midday run with the more likely scenario being a gentle cooling off in conditions from a week or so with the risk of rain increasing somewhat more so in the North than the South.


The Jet Stream shows the flow maintained between Scotland and Iceland for the next week or so. Reflecting the slightly less unsettled conditions in the second half of its run the flow is directed South towards the South of England in Week 2.


UKMO this morning shows High pressure anchored over the UK next Thursday with very warm, sunny and settled weather for all areas with very light winds.


GEM too has High pressure building across the UK again towards the middle and end of next week with a cell close to NW Britain in 10 days continuing to fend off any meaningful rainfall events. It would be warm and very warm next week for virtually all areas though North Sea coasts could be a little cooler and fresher at times in an onshore breeze.


NAVGEM today ends it's run with High pressure over the North Sea with a light East flow across the South of the UK. The weather though would remain unchanged with fine, sunny and very warm weather predominating for all.


ECM Shows High pressure straddled across the UK next week lying West to East delivering sustained fine and very warm, sunny weather for all. Late in the run an incursion from a front to the NW looks likely for Northern areas but the South looks odds on to continue with fine and dry weather to see us well into the last week of July unabated.


My optimism of last night remains undiluted this morning despite an 'iffy' second half operational from GFS which was an outlier thankfully. The weather looks locked in with High pressure seeming to have nowhere to go other than over the UK in the same way that Low pressure did some months ago. So all in all this means a wealth of warm and sunny weather for the next 10-14 days across the South with some of this in the less lucky North at times too where a few cloudier interludes could make things just a little cooler here at times with the risk of just a little rain.


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NickR
12 July 2013 08:01:13
Thanks Martin-

I'd emphasise that the ECM leads to a hot spell covering the whole UK at the back end of next week and beyond. 🙂
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Jiries
12 July 2013 08:24:17

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reursst.gif


Despite the warm/hot spell continuing the sea temps over North sea are stubborn to rise compare to sea temps up to 18C in SW Ireland.  That why Ian's Folkstone temps stay low because of still well below average N sea temps and the cooling current can be see flowing along the channel into the altantic.  Hopefully this weekend heat will increase the N sea temps quickly as there some warmer 17-18C water already from east Denmark onward.


Lovely hot weekend and stay hot in early next week.

Stormchaser
12 July 2013 08:33:21

GFS FI relies on an exceptionally strong and flat jet blasting through our ridge. Two things we know GFS loves to run away with, so hopefully just a fluke run there.


Other than that, it's more stunning output this morning, although -after GFS dropped it - ECM now shows the more notable trough to the NE for the middle part of next week, so conditions are notably less warm there for a day or two before that mighty recovery thereafter. GFS and UKMO offer no support for that, so the favoured solution based on past experience is for something between ECM and GFS/UKMO, which translates to a day or two of fresher feeling air but still notably warm especially in the southwest and of course N. Ireland (and the rest of Ireland).




Of real note is that GFS brings temps of 30°C or higher to the Solent region on Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday ...yet the TV forecasts are still showing mid-20's for the most part on Sunday. I can't really see why, given that they also show totally sunny skies across much of England and Wales and following on from overnight minimums in the mid-teens for many.


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Jiries
12 July 2013 08:40:04


GFS FI relies on an exceptionally strong and flat jet blasting through our ridge. Two things we know GFS loves to run away with, so hopefully just a fluke run there.


Other than that, it's more stunning output this morning, although -after GFS dropped it - ECM now shows the more notable trough to the NE for the middle part of next week, so conditions are notably less warm there for a day or two before that mighty recovery thereafter. GFS and UKMO offer no support for that, so the favoured solution based on past experience is for something between ECM and GFS/UKMO, which translates to a day or two of fresher feeling air but still notably warm especially in the southwest and of course N. Ireland (and the rest of Ireland).




Of real note is that GFS brings temps of 30°C or higher to the Solent region on Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday ...yet the TV forecasts are still showing mid-20's for the most part on Sunday. I can't really see why, given that they also show totally sunny skies across much of England and Wales and following on from overnight minimums in the mid-teens for many.


Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


They are not interested in high temps and prefer to put it lower and I believe that Sunday to Monday would be the hottest day here, not tomorrow and they also got it wrong today as they forecasted clouds to roll in at night and clear by dawn but it came after 2 hours sunny start this morning.  GFS temps profile had been more correct than the TV forecasts.

idj20
12 July 2013 09:05:31


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reursst.gif


Despite the warm/hot spell continuing the sea temps over North sea are stubborn to rise compare to sea temps up to 18C in SW Ireland.  That why Ian's Folkstone temps stay low because of still well below average N sea temps and the cooling current can be see flowing along the channel into the altantic.  Hopefully this weekend heat will increase the N sea temps quickly as there some warmer 17-18C water already from east Denmark onward.


Lovely hot weekend and stay hot in early next week.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 



Indeed, and doesnt help that we kept having winds coming in from the NE as this high pressure system is parked in the wrong place for us to get any real sustained summery-type weather around here.

Hopefully in time this high pressure will try and shift to the other side of the country and we end up getting a plume-like southerly feed as a result. If it has to get hot then do it properly with crisp clean sunshine along with the added bonus of night time lightning storms, instead of this murky "not sure what it's supposed to be doing" type stuff I'm experiencing at the moment.

(Sorry Matty. I will try and chill from here on. Probably no use in me getting worked up over something I don't have any control over).


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Matty H
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12 July 2013 09:36:11


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reursst.gif


Despite the warm/hot spell continuing the sea temps over North sea are stubborn to rise compare to sea temps up to 18C in SW Ireland.  That why Ian's Folkstone temps stay low because of still well below average N sea temps and the cooling current can be see flowing along the channel into the altantic.  Hopefully this weekend heat will increase the N sea temps quickly as there some warmer 17-18C water already from east Denmark onward.


Lovely hot weekend and stay hot in early next week.


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Indeed, and doesnt help that we kept having winds coming in from the NE as this high pressure system is parked in the wrong place for us to get any real sustained summery-type weather around here.

Hopefully in time this high pressure will try and shift to the other side of the country and we end up getting a plume-like southerly feed. If it has to get hot then do it properly with crisp clean sunshine along with the added bonus of night time lightning storms, instead of this murky "not sure what it's supposed to be doing" type stuff I'm experiencing at the moment.

(Sorry Matty. I will try and chill from here on. Probably no use in me getting worked up over something I don't have any control over).

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



😂

Re your last sentence, we have a Climate forum where that happens all day long 👅
idj20
12 July 2013 09:50:40



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reursst.gif


Despite the warm/hot spell continuing the sea temps over North sea are stubborn to rise compare to sea temps up to 18C in SW Ireland.  That why Ian's Folkstone temps stay low because of still well below average N sea temps and the cooling current can be see flowing along the channel into the altantic.  Hopefully this weekend heat will increase the N sea temps quickly as there some warmer 17-18C water already from east Denmark onward.


Lovely hot weekend and stay hot in early next week.


Originally Posted by: Matty H 



Indeed, and doesnt help that we kept having winds coming in from the NE as this high pressure system is parked in the wrong place for us to get any real sustained summery-type weather around here.

Hopefully in time this high pressure will try and shift to the other side of the country and we end up getting a plume-like southerly feed. If it has to get hot then do it properly with crisp clean sunshine along with the added bonus of night time lightning storms, instead of this murky "not sure what it's supposed to be doing" type stuff I'm experiencing at the moment.

(Sorry Matty. I will try and chill from here on. Probably no use in me getting worked up over something I don't have any control over).


Originally Posted by: idj20 



LOL

Re your last sentence, we have a Climate forum where that happens all day long Tongue

Originally Posted by: Jiries 



 I would be much more at home in there, wouldn't I?

Anyway, indeed, I'm steering things off topic in here again but yes, it does look set to be dry and settled over the bulk of the UK for a good fortnight so a lot of us can say goodbye to green-looking lawns for a while. Then there is something of a wobble thereafter but it's well deep in FI territory so it's not worth losing much sleep over it.
  Until then, that high pressure is expected to stick to the west of the UK for at least a week, so along with eastern parts being under constant risk of low cloud and suppressed temperatures, we will still have to rely on our own home-grown heating to sustain this summer-like spell - which is proving to be effective for those living in Western and Central parts anyway - and even over Scotland so it seems!
  Then after that, the high pressure system is shown to slip to the eastern side of the UK for a while thus giving us that much vaulted southernly plume-type feed, so there is that sign of things really hotting up as well as turning thundery for a time over the South East. But that's light years in terms of medium range forecasting anyway so again, no good in me getting worked up/excited over that as well.

PS: What's happening to me? I'm becoming a medium range model output monster! Hope I don't get like that in the winter season.


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picturesareme
12 July 2013 11:28:36

GFS FI relies on an exceptionally strong and flat jet blasting through our ridge. Two things we know GFS loves to run away with, so hopefully just a fluke run there.


Other than that, it's more stunning output this morning, although -after GFS dropped it - ECM now shows the more notable trough to the NE for the middle part of next week, so conditions are notably less warm there for a day or two before that mighty recovery thereafter. GFS and UKMO offer no support for that, so the favoured solution based on past experience is for something between ECM and GFS/UKMO, which translates to a day or two of fresher feeling air but still notably warm especially in the southwest and of course N. Ireland (and the rest of Ireland).




Of real note is that GFS brings temps of 30°C or higher to the Solent region on Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday ...yet the TV forecasts are still showing mid-20's for the most part on Sunday. I can't really see why, given that they also show totally sunny skies across much of England and Wales and following on from overnight minimums in the mid-teens for many.

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 



Wind directions are being forecasted south west by met so that why no 30's
Rob K
12 July 2013 11:35:32


If that happened we would surely be in with a chance of a first-ever >20C CET month? This hot spell started almost at the beginning of July and could continue almost unbroken until the end of the month. Having said that there do seem to be single-digit minima rather a lot of the time which would spoil things.


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Jiries
12 July 2013 11:36:56


Yes the pockets of 15C uppers which now appear at 276hrs runs as they first appeared from 384hrs.  One to watch to see if thos continuing on further runs to see if this nailed on when it drop to 144hrs or less.


Otherwise another very hot weekend and early next week with Monday as the hottest day for the south thankfully than Saturday because I am off on that day. 

Polar Low
12 July 2013 11:52:13

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsecmeur.html 


The Ecm 00z ensemble mean is something very special Hot then very warm then very Hot.


Drought conditions very very dry.


looks like it going into August as well!.

Polar Low
12 July 2013 11:55:41

To hot for car booty every one at sea side or in pool or drinking wine and beer!!!,




Yes the pockets of 15C uppers which now appear at 276hrs runs as they first appeared from 384hrs.  One to watch to see if thos continuing on further runs to see if this nailed on when it drop to 144hrs or less.


Otherwise another very hot weekend and early next week with Monday as the hottest day for the south thankfully than Saturday because I am off on that day. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Jiries
12 July 2013 12:07:27

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


Very warm to hot all the way despite some outlier precips to be ignored when we still under strong HP cell next week.

Gooner
12 July 2013 12:23:14


Excellent run of temps, hosepipe ban soon no doubt


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Gusty
12 July 2013 12:26:18


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Very warm to hot all the way despite some outlier precips to be ignored when we still under strong HP cell next week.


Originally Posted by: Jiries 


A gradual upward trend taking us into the hot category. Should all this verify July 2013 will go down as a 'remembered month'


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Stormchaser
12 July 2013 12:40:43

As the SSTs slowly but steadily rise in response to the hot and sunny weather, the night temperatures will follow suit... if anyone thinks it was particularly uncomfortable last weekend, just you wait for this weekend and beyond - a price I'm willing to pay for one of those month's where you're proud to say "I was there".


One day I can tell my kids about this just like how my Dad rants on about 1976 sometimes. Admittedly I'd have to inflate the figures a bit to achieve the same effect


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Gavin P
12 July 2013 12:54:52

Hi everyone,


Here's todays video update;


Becoming Gently Unsettled For Early August:


http://www.gavsweathervids.com


I'm not really convinced, to be honest.


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