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Gooner
23 July 2013 21:00:46

Jesus. Time for me to get the razor blades out. I cant take this heat anymore!

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 



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White Meadows
23 July 2013 21:41:34
Matt Hugo's Atlantic deluge yet again remains a mirage in tonight's output. You'd think he might choose to put less faith in the EC 32 day outlook...? This has been a straw for his wet & cool July forecast which he's now hoping for in August.
Medlock Vale Weather
23 July 2013 22:30:48

Matt Hugo's Atlantic deluge yet again remains a mirage in tonight's output. You'd think he might choose to put less faith in the EC 32 day outlook...? This has been a straw for his wet & cool July forecast which he's now hoping for in August.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


Never had much faith in his forecasts, I'd say he's right about 30% of the time, last Winter he went from 1 thing to another and did a lot of straw clutching and got slated for it on Netweather. Of course we all have our own opinions so I respect other views on this just thought I'd give mine, anyway 18z GFS still looking warm or very warm for most of us this week, no need for the sweater for sure 


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Scandy 1050 MB
24 July 2013 07:00:08

All models seem to have backed off a bit this morning from bringing the extreme heat back westwards at the weekend from yesterday - a downgrade if you like the heat but an upgrade if you don't  !  However still warm Saturday but more normal warmth for late July rather than the high 80s / 90s F temperatures we have been seeing. However given the wild swings this week nothing is nailed on yet so could swing back on the next run so as ever more runs needed, remarkable agreement for Saturday now across most of the models.


Beyond this GEM the pick of the bunch at +144 if you like cooler weather:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/geme_cartes.php?&ech=144&mode=0&carte=0


ECM has everything further north which is probably the most likely outcome - wouldn't take much to shift the pattern further north still:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=144&mode=1&map=0&archive=0


GFS similar:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?&ech=144&mode=0


Navgem shunts it further west and has potential for pressure to rise again from the south at +162:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/navgeme_cartes.php?&ech=162&mode=0&carte=0


UKMO has that pattern at +144 so the pick of the bunch for heat prospects:


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ukmo2.php?nh=0&ech=144&carte=1021


All FI of course so JFF, but definitely for the weekend models this morning seem less keen to bring the extreme heat back (in comparison to yesterday) but still 25 or 26c quite probably in the south at the weekend. May all flip on the next run though such is the nature of the models this week.


 


 

GIBBY
24 July 2013 07:46:08

Good morning. Here is the report taken off the 12 midnight data supplied by GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Wednesday July 24th 2013.


All models support a warm and humid spell for the rest of the week and weekend. The intense heat of early in the week has largely gone now but there may be a short build of heat across the SE at the end of the week though the extent of this North and West remains uncertain. Though a lot of dry and bright weather will be found for many over this period there will be a scattering of sometimes heavy and thundery outbreaks of rain or showers, notably later tonight and tomorrow and again on Saturday as a thundery Low drifts North or NNE across more SE areas. The parent Low feeding these warm and moist winds will remain anchored out to the SW of the UK before it begins to move further NE towards the North by the start of next week.


GFS then turns winds towards the SW and then West with cooler air feeding across all parts with sunshine and showers, some of which could still be heavy especially in the North. The back end of the run this morning supports a continuation of the rather changeable conditions before a drier and warmer interlude develops in the South towards the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles today look very ordinary after the final embers of the warm spell disappear from the 29th. From thereon it looks like a more changeable regime with rain at times and average temperatures is the most likely option on offer.


The Jet Stream shows the flow continuing to flow NE from Biscay up across SE Britain to Norway over the hot plume to the East up to the weekend. Thereafter it pushes the plume away from Northern Europe as it feeds more directly East across the Atlantic, the UK and Europe.


UKMO today shows a warm SW flow over the UK early next week maintaining the theme of the end of this week with a sunshine and scattered showers type scenario with some very warm conditions still flirting with the SE at the end of the run. The showers would fall mostly over the North and West with the odd thundery one sparked off in the SE at times.


GEM looks rather disappointing today. Low pressure quickly establishes next week with some windy and wet weather shown as cooler Atlantic winds reach all areas. By the end of the run in 10 days time little has changed with relatively cooler and more showery weather maintained as slack Low pressure sits over the UK.


NAVGEM today shows Low pressure out to the NW through next week with a slack SW flow blowing over much of the UK. There would be a fair amount of warm sunshine to be found with just occasional showers most of which will be in the North and West. It will still feel pleasantly warm in the sunshine and it could be very warm in the SE at times as high temperatures remain tantalisingly close at times to SE England.


ECM today continues the them of rather warm and showery weather throughout next week with an array of weak troughs and Low pressures delivering these features on occasion. In between this will be some warm sunny spells and it will probably still feel quite humid. By the end of the run pressure is trying to rise from the South and in the still and humid air it would likely begin to feel very warm again.


In Summary today the pattern looks like going one of two ways and the jury is out on which course it will take. The first option is a continuation of the rather warm and humid conditions with occasional showers, some heavy and more concentrated towards the North and West. The second option on offer today is a swing towards more generally cooler and cloudier conditions with Westerly breezes and bands of rain and showers crossing East at times in average temperatures. Which is right is unclear at this stage as there is some support for either option. Whichever way the weather goes it looks unlikely that there will be anything remotely as unpleasant and cool as anything we experienced in the unsettled spells of last summer. 


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ARTzeman
24 July 2013 08:05:20

Thanks Martin...


Between UKMO and ECM. Would take ECM  as best..  






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Jiries
24 July 2013 08:49:10

Staying warm here with high 20's with possible 30C in few places including my back yard on Fri-Sun then mid 20's next week. Very nice summery weather and now we in the peak summer season.

Polar Low
24 July 2013 09:25:09
Polar Low
24 July 2013 09:28:21

Very nice gfs run for n/e many more warmer members mean above average for  long time.


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Polar Low
24 July 2013 09:29:50

Thanks Martin



Good morning. Here is the report taken off the 12 midnight data supplied by GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Wednesday July 24th 2013.


All models support a warm and humid spell for the rest of the week and weekend. The intense heat of early in the week has largely gone now but there may be a short build of heat across the SE at the end of the week though the extent of this North and West remains uncertain. Though a lot of dry and bright weather will be found for many over this period there will be a scattering of sometimes heavy and thundery outbreaks of rain or showers, notably later tonight and tomorrow and again on Saturday as a thundery Low drifts North or NNE across more SE areas. The parent Low feeding these warm and moist winds will remain anchored out to the SW of the UK before it begins to move further NE towards the North by the start of next week.


GFS then turns winds towards the SW and then West with cooler air feeding across all parts with sunshine and showers, some of which could still be heavy especially in the North. The back end of the run this morning supports a continuation of the rather changeable conditions before a drier and warmer interlude develops in the South towards the end of the run.


The GFS Ensembles today look very ordinary after the final embers of the warm spell disappear from the 29th. From thereon it looks like a more changeable regime with rain at times and average temperatures is the most likely option on offer.


The Jet Stream shows the flow continuing to flow NE from Biscay up across SE Britain to Norway over the hot plume to the East up to the weekend. Thereafter it pushes the plume away from Northern Europe as it feeds more directly East across the Atlantic, the UK and Europe.


UKMO today shows a warm SW flow over the UK early next week maintaining the theme of the end of this week with a sunshine and scattered showers type scenario with some very warm conditions still flirting with the SE at the end of the run. The showers would fall mostly over the North and West with the odd thundery one sparked off in the SE at times.


GEM looks rather disappointing today. Low pressure quickly establishes next week with some windy and wet weather shown as cooler Atlantic winds reach all areas. By the end of the run in 10 days time little has changed with relatively cooler and more showery weather maintained as slack Low pressure sits over the UK.


NAVGEM today shows Low pressure out to the NW through next week with a slack SW flow blowing over much of the UK. There would be a fair amount of warm sunshine to be found with just occasional showers most of which will be in the North and West. It will still feel pleasantly warm in the sunshine and it could be very warm in the SE at times as high temperatures remain tantalisingly close at times to SE England.


ECM today continues the them of rather warm and showery weather throughout next week with an array of weak troughs and Low pressures delivering these features on occasion. In between this will be some warm sunny spells and it will probably still feel quite humid. By the end of the run pressure is trying to rise from the South and in the still and humid air it would likely begin to feel very warm again.


In Summary today the pattern looks like going one of two ways and the jury is out on which course it will take. The first option is a continuation of the rather warm and humid conditions with occasional showers, some heavy and more concentrated towards the North and West. The second option on offer today is a swing towards more generally cooler and cloudier conditions with Westerly breezes and bands of rain and showers crossing East at times in average temperatures. Which is right is unclear at this stage as there is some support for either option. Whichever way the weather goes it looks unlikely that there will be anything remotely as unpleasant and cool as anything we experienced in the unsettled spells of last summer. 


Originally Posted by: GIBBY 

Downpour
24 July 2013 10:17:05


Matt Hugo's Atlantic deluge yet again remains a mirage in tonight's output. You'd think he might choose to put less faith in the EC 32 day outlook...? This has been a straw for his wet & cool July forecast which he's now hoping for in August.

Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


Never had much faith in his forecasts, I'd say he's right about 30% of the time, last Winter he went from 1 thing to another and did a lot of straw clutching and got slated for it on Netweather. Of course we all have our own opinions so I respect other views on this just thought I'd give mine, anyway 18z GFS still looking warm or very warm for most of us this week, no need for the sweater for sure 


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


He's having a dreadful summer. 


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CreweCold
24 July 2013 12:14:11



Matt Hugo's Atlantic deluge yet again remains a mirage in tonight's output. You'd think he might choose to put less faith in the EC 32 day outlook...? This has been a straw for his wet & cool July forecast which he's now hoping for in August.

Originally Posted by: Downpour 


Never had much faith in his forecasts, I'd say he's right about 30% of the time, last Winter he went from 1 thing to another and did a lot of straw clutching and got slated for it on Netweather. Of course we all have our own opinions so I respect other views on this just thought I'd give mine, anyway 18z GFS still looking warm or very warm for most of us this week, no need for the sweater for sure 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


 


He's having a dreadful summer. 


Originally Posted by: White Meadows 


 


Bit unfair don't you think? From what I've seen he's only relaying what the EC32 shows?! He's not putting the info across as his forecast. Given that the EC32 is an expsnsive product which usually has to be paid for (a hefty fee so I've read), we should be grateful we have some form of access as to what it shows.



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Matty H
24 July 2013 13:18:30



Matt Hugo's Atlantic deluge yet again remains a mirage in tonight's output. You'd think he might choose to put less faith in the EC 32 day outlook...? This has been a straw for his wet & cool July forecast which he's now hoping for in August.

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


Never had much faith in his forecasts, I'd say he's right about 30% of the time, last Winter he went from 1 thing to another and did a lot of straw clutching and got slated for it on Netweather. Of course we all have our own opinions so I respect other views on this just thought I'd give mine, anyway 18z GFS still looking warm or very warm for most of us this week, no need for the sweater for sure 


Originally Posted by: Downpour 


 


He's having a dreadful summer. 


Originally Posted by: Medlock Vale Weather 


 


Bit unfair don't you think? From what I've seen he's only relaying what the EC32 shows?! He's not putting the info across as his forecast. Given that the EC32 is an expsnsive product which usually has to be paid for (a hefty fee so I've read), we should be grateful we have some form of access as to what it shows.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 



I'm not sure we should be grateful for access to something that is often a pile of gash.

You're right though, he is only relating information. I know he's annoyed a few people by de-friending them from Facebook for no reason, or stopped following them on Twatter for no reason. I know one person considered themself a friend of his. That's up to him though, but maybe that's why he seems to have lots of enemies on some forums?

I don't read his stuff very often, for no other reason than I don't have the time, but what I have read seem to be purely model interpretation rather than personal preference.
nickl
24 July 2013 16:00:04
Which is what you'd expect from a pro forecaster.

( disgusting here in e china with a max today of 40c and sticky with it. Like being in a fan oven when the breeze blows)

Ally Pally Snowman
24 July 2013 16:01:44

Summer on the way back


 


Matt Hugo twitter


If latest CFSv2 model is to be believed then summer may return towards mid-August as high pressure builds.


 


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NickR
24 July 2013 16:03:19

Which is what you'd expect from a pro forecaster.

( disgusting here in e china with a max today of 40c and sticky with it. Like being in a fan oven when the breeze blows)

Originally Posted by: nickl 


Matty may not agree.


Must admit I love it for the experience... but you need places with air con to escape to.


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Matty H
24 July 2013 16:32:05

Which is what you'd expect from a pro forecaster.

( disgusting here in e china with a max today of 40c and sticky with it. Like being in a fan oven when the breeze blows)

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Matty may not agree.


Must admit I love it for the experience... but you need places with air con to escape to.

Originally Posted by: nickl 



Sounds fantastic [sn_appr] [sn_bsmil]
White Meadows
24 July 2013 16:43:48


Summer on the way back


 


Matt Hugo twitter


If latest CFSv2 model is to be believed then summer may return towards mid-August as high pressure builds.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


This is exactly my point. All Hugo appears to do is relay the useless constant flipping output of a rubbish data tool. 


The point his summer/July washout hasn't happened is another topic altogether... When the Ec 32 dayer supports this you'd think he'd be a bit more cautious rather than posting it on 'tw@tter' 

Gooner
24 July 2013 16:58:29

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3601.png


LP's starting to gang up ...................all FI of course


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Polar Low
24 July 2013 18:51:21


 


not even sure were his coming from always above temperatures for midlands chart and good hope of warmer temperatures.


 


 


 


Matt Hugo's Atlantic deluge yet again remains a mirage in tonight's output. You'd think he might choose to put less faith in the EC 32 day outlook...? This has been a straw for his wet & cool July forecast which he's now hoping for in August.

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Steam Fog
24 July 2013 19:00:15
I don't think Matt Hugo said August would be cool did he?
Polar Low
24 July 2013 19:01:41

warm /very warm later on on ecm for s and s/e 16 uppers clipping s/e


 mean will be intresting


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=0&map=1&archive=0

Polar Low
24 July 2013 19:05:21

Dunno s/f I dont follow but thought would paste chart as looks ok temp wise


 


 


I don't think Matt Hugo said August would be cool did he?

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 

Hungry Tiger
24 July 2013 19:08:56

The main point I think now is - Is that are things going to settle down after this thundery and humid spell and if so - how warm will it be.


 


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TimS
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24 July 2013 19:19:54
The ECM maps for the near continent are frightening. I've not seen nearly 25C uppers over such a large area ever, not even in 2003. It would mean 40C+
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