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Twister
21 December 2013 12:42:48

Updated warning from the Met Office for Monday and Tuesday


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings/#?tab=warnings&map=Warnings&zoom=5&lon=-3.50&lat=55.50&fcTime=1387756800&regionName=uk


 


Issued at: 1228 on Sat 21 Dec 2013


Valid from: 0900 on Mon 23 Dec 2013


Valid to: 2359 on Tue 24 Dec 2013


 


Warning:


A rapidly deepening area of low pressure will bring very strong winds, reaching southwestern areas during the first half of Monday, lasting well into Christmas Eve across many parts, easing from the south later. Further heavy rainfall will accompany the initial increase in winds. 

There is the likelihood of widespread gales, with gusts to around 70 mph for much of Scotland, Northern Ireland, west Wales, northwest England, as well as southern coasts of England. Gusts of 80-90 mph are possible, the greatest likelihood of these values being towards the northwest. Although many central and eastern areas of England should see lesser wind gusts, the combination of these winds with heavy rain and heavy holiday traffic may well increase impacts.

The public should be aware of the potential for significant disruption to travel due to the very strong winds, and also the risk of some flooding due to the heavy rain. Please keep in touch with the forecasts and warnings, which are expected to be updated again on Sunday.



Chief Forecaster's assessment:


An area of low pressure will deepen rapidly as it passes just to the west and northwest of the UK later on Monday, ending up as an exceptionally deep feature. This will bring stormy conditions to parts of the UK on Monday and Tuesday with the strongest winds likely along coastlines exposed to the south and west, but later perhaps more generally across parts of the north. 

There remains some uncertainty around the precise depth and track of this system, and hence the areas most likely to be affected by the strongest winds and heavy rain.

Location: Egerton, Kent - 33m ASL
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Gooner
21 December 2013 12:43:46

Not a great time for us to have removed the chimney from the house really is it??? We have plywood and sheeting covering the hole, but as we are on a ridge on the downs I can see them disappearing!!

Originally Posted by: Clare 


Oh dear, I would stand 5 miles down the road in order to catch it.


 


In all seriousness, best of luck with that ........................nightmare


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Clare
21 December 2013 12:47:21
Indeed Marcus- and if the mighty reds top the league today I might have to think twice about putting the LFC flag up..the pole is already bending on it's own.
On the Mid Sussex downs,156m amsl on ridge near Ardingly. Igloo built in our garden,2010, lasted till march !
mbradshaw
21 December 2013 13:10:53
If this works, here's a 20s clip of our attempt to walk to Rubh Hunish this morning. We were forced to turn back. You need sound to appreciate it fully....
 
https://www.facebook.com/isleofskyeweather
 
The wind at home was gusting around 45 - 50mph, the path is a little more exposed, so probably being buffeted by 55mph gusts. At least we didn't get wet 

 

Sevendust
21 December 2013 13:46:46

Interesting read - I remember this storm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braer_Storm_of_January_1993

pnepaul
21 December 2013 14:17:45


If this works, here's a 20s clip of our attempt to walk to Rubh Hunish this morning. We were forced to turn back. You need sound to appreciate it fully....
 
https://www.facebook.com/isleofskyeweather
 
The wind at home was gusting around 45 - 50mph, the path is a little more exposed, so probably being buffeted by 55mph gusts. At least we didn't get wet 

 


Originally Posted by: mbradshaw 


 


Rather testing conditions on the Cuillins I would imagine 

tinybill
21 December 2013 14:25:12

well  it look  bad  the   moment  all  eyes should  be on  monday    /tuesday  its  look dire to say  the  least  !!


 

Whether Idle
21 December 2013 14:44:50


well  it look  bad  the   moment  all  eyes should  be on  monday    /tuesday  its  look dire to say  the  least  !!


 


Originally Posted by: tinybill 


Yes, agreed, while things are bad today with a windy and rainy opening to the winter, things will be a lot worse on 23/24th.  "Christmas Power Cuts" will be the headlines and Im sure the CEGB (or has it been privatised?) will be getting it in the neck by Christmas Day from tens of thousands of angry customers with uncooked turkeys and ruined Christmasses.  One would hope the persons responsible for maintaining the electricity supply in terms of the national grid  were making serious contingency plans and that there are hundreds of engineers on standby for the call...


I will be fully charging my Ipad and phone prior to the evening of the 23rd...


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gandalf The White
21 December 2013 14:56:58



well  it look  bad  the   moment  all  eyes should  be on  monday    /tuesday  its  look dire to say  the  least  !!


 


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Yes, agreed, while things are bad today with a windy and rainy opening to the winter, things will be a lot worse on 23/24th.  "Christmas Power Cuts" will be the headlines and Im sure the CEGB (or has it been privatised?) will be getting it in the neck by Christmas Day from tens of thousands of angry customers with uncooked turkeys and ruined Christmasses.  One would hope the persons responsible for maintaining the electricity supply in terms of the national grid  were making serious contingency plans and that there are hundreds of engineers on standby for the call...


I will be fully charging my Ipad and phone prior to the evening of the 23rd...


Originally Posted by: tinybill 


I have no doubt that the electicity companies (not CEGB, that ceased to be post-privatisation) will have people on stand-by but they have to be able to get to remote areas and if there are trees down and roads blocked then that all slows down the process.  You can't use helicopters in high winds so there isn't a 'Plan B' either.


 


The 06z still shows a broad band with gusts of 60-70mph moving through on Monday:


Noon: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122106/54-289UK.GIF?21-6


3pm: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122106/57-289UK.GIF?21-6


6pm, over East Anglia, the SE and across the the Isle of Wight: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122106/60-289UK.GIF?21-6


 


The sustained wind speeds put this at Force 7 or Gale Force 8, which is quite a blow for inland areas of the south.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Whether Idle
21 December 2013 15:22:55




well  it look  bad  the   moment  all  eyes should  be on  monday    /tuesday  its  look dire to say  the  least  !!


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes, agreed, while things are bad today with a windy and rainy opening to the winter, things will be a lot worse on 23/24th.  "Christmas Power Cuts" will be the headlines and Im sure the CEGB (or has it been privatised?) will be getting it in the neck by Christmas Day from tens of thousands of angry customers with uncooked turkeys and ruined Christmasses.  One would hope the persons responsible for maintaining the electricity supply in terms of the national grid  were making serious contingency plans and that there are hundreds of engineers on standby for the call...


I will be fully charging my Ipad and phone prior to the evening of the 23rd...


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


I have no doubt that the electicity companies (not CEGB, that ceased to be post-privatisation) will have people on stand-by but they have to be able to get to remote areas and if there are trees down and roads blocked then that all slows down the process.  You can't use helicopters in high winds so there isn't a 'Plan B' either.


 


The 06z still shows a broad band with gusts of 60-70mph moving through on Monday:


Noon: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122106/54-289UK.GIF?21-6


3pm: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122106/57-289UK.GIF?21-6


6pm, over East Anglia, the SE and across the the Isle of Wight: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122106/60-289UK.GIF?21-6


 


The sustained wind speeds put this at Force 7 or Gale Force 8, which is quite a blow for inland areas of the south.


Originally Posted by: tinybill 


 


Common sense measures by way of contingency planning:


The electricity companies (God help us) will need  to pay overtime for extra staff.  Each van should have basic winching equipment and a chainsaw and a can of petrol for said saw.


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
glenogle
21 December 2013 16:42:45


I will be fully charging my Ipad and phone prior to the evening of the 23rd...


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Good shout, although the mobile signal is one of the first things to go down around here when the wind gets up.


Wonder if the SSE food van will do turkey??  It provided burgers and chips during the last power cut.


However, with the timing of the next storm and the fact it will affect England as well, i expect the resources available to be deployed up here might be less, thus a longer outage for some if it happens


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idj20
21 December 2013 16:47:31

Indeed, I think it's now time to get nervous and check to see if house insurance policy are up to date. That's going to hurt their coffers but good news for the building trade.

Eagerly awaiting the next runs to see if they soften the blow but I have a feeling it's not going to be good news.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Whether Idle
21 December 2013 16:59:22


Indeed, I think it's now time to get nervous and check to see if house insurance policy are up to date. That's going to hurt their coffers but good news for the building trade.

Eagerly awaiting the next runs to see if they soften the blow but I have a feeling it's not going to be good news.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Did you fix your roof?


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
idj20
21 December 2013 17:01:11



Indeed, I think it's now time to get nervous and check to see if house insurance policy are up to date. That's going to hurt their coffers but good news for the building trade.

Eagerly awaiting the next runs to see if they soften the blow but I have a feeling it's not going to be good news.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Did you fix your roof?


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Indeed, all fixed up and good as new. Now here's hoping the roof remains attached to the house by Christmas if those latest outputs are anything to go by.
  Although I suspect everyone are now on tenterhooks.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Whether Idle
21 December 2013 17:05:46




Indeed, I think it's now time to get nervous and check to see if house insurance policy are up to date. That's going to hurt their coffers but good news for the building trade.

Eagerly awaiting the next runs to see if they soften the blow but I have a feeling it's not going to be good news.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Did you fix your roof?


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Indeed, all fixed up and good as new. Now here's hoping the roof remains attached to the house by Christmas.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Joking aside Ian, I am "concerned" at this stage by the forecast for 23/24 December.


For me a SW is far better than a Southerly as my house is much more sheltered that way.  Gusts of around 80-85mph are forecast on a direct southerly and I am conscious of this. Hmmm...


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
JoeShmoe99
21 December 2013 17:21:35

The 12z GFS has the low at 929mb i think, which i believe is the lowest siince 1884

Gooner
21 December 2013 17:22:07

Indeed Marcus- and if the mighty reds top the league today I might have to think twice about putting the LFC flag up..the pole is already bending on it's own.

Originally Posted by: Clare 


LOL


Go on put it up, you can always buy another


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Clare
21 December 2013 17:24:28
Maybe in the morning- oh, and try and do us a favour against Chelski on monday hey??
On the Mid Sussex downs,156m amsl on ridge near Ardingly. Igloo built in our garden,2010, lasted till march !
Gooner
21 December 2013 17:28:20

Maybe in the morning- oh, and try and do us a favour against Chelski on monday hey??

Originally Posted by: Clare 



Wenger has never beaten Mourinho as a manager so I am not holding my breath.


Good luck , during this stormy spell


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


KevBrads1
21 December 2013 17:31:38

The 12z GFS has the low at 929mb i think, which i believe is the lowest siince 1884

Originally Posted by: JoeShmoe99 



Braer storm was lower. It depends what you mean by "lower"? The lowest pressure recorded by a standard barometer in the UK is that 1884 reading but there have been lower pressures recorded in the north Atlantic.

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Gandalf The White
21 December 2013 17:34:27





Indeed, I think it's now time to get nervous and check to see if house insurance policy are up to date. That's going to hurt their coffers but good news for the building trade.

Eagerly awaiting the next runs to see if they soften the blow but I have a feeling it's not going to be good news.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Did you fix your roof?


Originally Posted by: idj20 



Indeed, all fixed up and good as new. Now here's hoping the roof remains attached to the house by Christmas.


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Joking aside Ian, I am "concerned" at this stage by the forecast for 23/24 December.


For me a SW is far better than a Southerly as my house is much more sheltered that way.  Gusts of around 80-85mph are forecast on a direct southerly and I am conscious of this. Hmmm...


Originally Posted by: idj20 


The 12z GFS has upped the maximum wind gusts further for the SE quarter on Monday, which is not good news.  Not only that but the gusts of 60-75mph keep going from 3pm on Monday until 3am on Tuesday, a full 12 hours.


Isle of Wight and Channel Islands have gusts of 75-80mph for six hours overnight Monday into Tuesday.


Gusts:


At 9am the system is starting to affect the far west: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/45-289UK.GIF?21-12


by Noon, well into western areas: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/48-289UK.GIF?21-12


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/51-289UK.GIF?21-12 


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/54-289UK.GIF?21-12 


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/57-289UK.GIF?21-12 


At Midnight little movement, still covering an area from The Wash to IoW: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/60-289UK.GIF?21-12


 


Average wind speed for the SE for the six hours from 6pm to Midnight on Xmas Eve are predicted to be 35-40mph


6pm: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/54-602UK.GIF?21-12


9pm: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/57-602UK.GIF?21-12


Midnight: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/60-602UK.GIF?21-12


That's Force 7 sustained for 6 hours


 


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
21 December 2013 17:35:53


Maybe in the morning- oh, and try and do us a favour against Chelski on monday hey??

Originally Posted by: Gooner 



Wenger has never beaten Mourinho as a manager so I am not holding my breath.


Good luck , during this stormy spell


Originally Posted by: Clare 


I reckon there's a chance it will be called off, given the forecast winds and heavy driving rain.


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


21 December 2013 17:42:00

The 12z NAE has the centre of the low much closer to Ireland and further south than the other models at 958mb at 12z on Monday. This track would be very nasty indeed.


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/nae/2013/12/21/basis12/ukuk/ismh/13122312_2_2112.gif


 

Polar Low
21 December 2013 17:47:06

Dont think my outside xmas lights will be working after that bombard but thanks for update GTW







Indeed, I think it's now time to get nervous and check to see if house insurance policy are up to date. That's going to hurt their coffers but good news for the building trade.

Eagerly awaiting the next runs to see if they soften the blow but I have a feeling it's not going to be good news.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Did you fix your roof?


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 



Indeed, all fixed up and good as new. Now here's hoping the roof remains attached to the house by Christmas.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Joking aside Ian, I am "concerned" at this stage by the forecast for 23/24 December.


For me a SW is far better than a Southerly as my house is much more sheltered that way.  Gusts of around 80-85mph are forecast on a direct southerly and I am conscious of this. Hmmm...


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


The 12z GFS has upped the maximum wind gusts further for the SE quarter on Monday, which is not good news.  Not only that but the gusts of 60-75mph keep going from 3pm on Monday until 3am on Tuesday, a full 12 hours.


Isle of Wight and Channel Islands have gusts of 75-80mph for six hours overnight Monday into Tuesday.


Gusts:


At 9am the system is starting to affect the far west: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/45-289UK.GIF?21-12


by Noon, well into western areas: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/48-289UK.GIF?21-12


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/51-289UK.GIF?21-12 


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/54-289UK.GIF?21-12 


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/57-289UK.GIF?21-12 


At Midnight little movement, still covering an area from The Wash to IoW: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/60-289UK.GIF?21-12


 


Average wind speed for the SE for the six hours from 6pm to Midnight on Xmas Eve are predicted to be 35-40mph


6pm: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/54-602UK.GIF?21-12


9pm: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/57-602UK.GIF?21-12


Midnight: http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2013122112/60-602UK.GIF?21-12


That's Force 7 sustained for 6 hours


 


 


Originally Posted by: idj20 

21 December 2013 17:48:31

Here is the WRF-NMM model


Wind gusts of 120 - 130kph even inland across the SE corner according to this as at 0z Tuesday. That is up to 80mph. Could be very nasty here indeed as well as further north near the centre of the low.


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/wrfnmm/runs/2013122112/nmm-11-60-1.png?21-18

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