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Dmartinburns
18 January 2016 17:59:31

Hi All,


Been a watcher on this site for years but this is my first post. Is there somewhere I can get a list of common abbreviations used here? I mean things like waa, mlb etc. Great site and very sensible, educated comments (mainly)! Just need a handle on those abbs.


David Burns. South East London


 

Gooner
18 January 2016 18:06:55

Whats abbs mean


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 



Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Retron
18 January 2016 18:09:40

Hi, welcome to TWO!


I'm not sure there's anywhere which has the abbreviations that people use, but here's a starter:


AH - Azores High. The semi-permanent area of high pressure which is supposed to stay near the Azores. It's the breaker of many a cold spell in winter!


AMO - Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation. Over a period of decades, the North Atlantic flips between a generally warmer than average temperature profile to a colder than average profile. The cold phase is associated with increased snow episodes in winter in the UK. Currently in its warm phase, a switch to the cold phase is likely within a decade or so.


AO - Arctic Oscillation. This is the difference compared to normal pressure over the Arctic. A positive AO means pressure is lower than normal, which can bring stormy conditions with deep lows over the Atlantic. A positive AO means higher pressure than normal over the Arctic, with weaker lows and a weaker, often meandering jetstream. This can lead to HLB or MLB forming.


CAA - Cold Air Advection. This is the reverse of a plume, where cold air moves southwards from the Arctic. This is often seen when pressure rises over Greenland, for example.


ENSO - El Nino Southern Oscillation. Another term for the El Nino / La Nina cycle.


GH - Greenland High. Much in demand by folks in the north and west during winter, brings such memorable spells for the UK as the cold of December 2010.


PDO - Pacific Decadal Oscillation. The Pacific Ocean undergoes temperature switches from time to time, with a warm area in the North Pacific surrounded by colder waters along the western coast of America and Alaska (negative) swapping with a colder core surrounded by warmer waters along the same regions (positive). This indirectly affects the UK by altering the strength of the Pacific jetstream (and hence the jetstream downwind over America and the Atlantic).


FI - Fantasy Island. Usually refers to charts 240 or more hours away, but in some circumstances can be 96 hours or less. It's used when referring to charts which probably won't come off as shown.


HLB - High-Lattitude Blocking. The holy grail for cold fans is a combination of high pressure over Scandinavia, alternating with high pressure over or east of Greenland. These blocking highs impede the progress of our usual Atlantic weather systems and are responsible for our memorable cold spells of years past.


MJO - Madden–Julian Oscillation. This measures the progression of areas of tropical rainfall, measured in 8 phases (1-8). It's not directly relevant to the UK, but in certain phases (7, 8, 1) it can help reinforce any blocking that may occur in our region.


MLB - Mid-Lattitude Blocking. Usually associated with a split jetstream, this is where high pressure becomes slow-moving in the mid-lattitudes (=roughly on the lattitude of the UK). This brings warm weather in summer, cold, calm conditions in winter. It can sometimes be a precursor to HLB.


MT - Mountain Torque. This refers to the effect large mountain ranges (such as the Himalayas) have on the polar vortex in winter. If conditions are right, upper air is skewed northwards as it passes over the mountains which can cause significant warming aloft, potentially leading to an SSW event.


NAO - North Atlantic Oscillation. The difference in pressure or 500hPa heights between the Azores and Iceland. A negative NAO means pressure is lower than usual over the Azores and/or pressure is higher than usual over Iceland. This often, but not always, means weather systems are aligned to bring colder than normal conditions over the UK. Conversely, a positive NAO imples stronger than normal SW'lies, with milder weather than normal.


PNA - Pacific-North American teleconnection pattern. This refers to pressure over the Pacific and is roughly anologous to the NAO index. A positive value implies higher than normal pressure over Hawaii and lower than normal pressure near Alaska. It's associated with a strong Pacific jet. The negative phase involves lower than normal pressure over Hawaii and higher than normal pressure near Alaska, often causing a split jet and a weaker flow over the Pacific. It has an indirect effect on the UK by modifying the upstream jet pattern.


PV - Polar Vortex. The focus of attention of cold-lovers in winter, this is an upper low pressure area which is associated with deep cold Arctic air. The effects of it vary depending on location, but when it's located to the west of Greenland and is stronger than normal some exceptionally mild weather can result for the UK. Conversely, when it's weak or split into two or more chunks, MLB or HLB is more likely to occur.


SSW - Sudden Stratospheric Warming. The reversal of zonal winds in the stratosphere. This can sometimes (but not always) promote high level blocking a week or more down the line.


WAA - Warm Air Advection. This is when a plume of warm air moves northwards, such as northwards along the west coast of Greenland when pressure rises over Greenland. What goes up must come down and warm air advection usually means cold air is forced southwards further east.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Bertwhistle
18 January 2016 18:12:44


Hi All,


Been a watcher on this site for years but this is my first post. Is there somewhere I can get a list of common abbreviations used here? I mean things like waa, mlb etc. Great site and very sensible, educated comments (mainly)! Just need a handle on those abbs.


David Burns. South East London


 


Originally Posted by: Dmartinburns 


Are you also interested in the generic text gibberish, like FWIW, or just the synoptic-related abbreviations?


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
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Dmartinburns
18 January 2016 18:14:23
Very interesting and I'm very grateful for your speedy response. (Gooner, by 'abbs' I meant abbreviations!
Dmartinburns
18 January 2016 18:16:45
I think I mostly get generic abbreviations like imby, fwiw, it was more the abbreviations specific to the atmosphere I was unsure of.
Thanks again.
Bertwhistle
18 January 2016 18:25:07

I remember a few years back some poor poster got HDAQ for referring to 'F1' instead of FI.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.
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Dmartinburns
18 January 2016 18:28:47
Took me a while to work out hung drawn & quartered!
SJV
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18 January 2016 18:31:14

I thought WAA was when an easterly failed at t96 and flipped to southwesterlies? 


 


 


Waaaaaaaaa! 


 


 


 


 



 


(in all seriousness that is a great post by Darren) 


 


 


 


 

Darren S
18 January 2016 18:40:27



FI - Fantasy Island. Usually refers to charts 240 or more hours away, but in some circumstances can be 96 hours or less. It's used when referring to charts which probably won't come off as shown.

Originally Posted by: Retron 



Hi,

I think it's worth saying that all of the abbreviations in Retron's post are for real Meteorological terms; with the exception of the one above. "FI" was coined by some of TWO's membership back in the very early days of the forum (maybe around 2001/2) when TWO was the only weather forum of note, with the exception of the BBC Weather Boards. As said, it refers to charts that are not worth debating and are therefore pure fantasy.

The term was, I think, inspired by the Tight Fit song of the same name! I wonder if anyone can lay claim to using the term first?


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Whether Idle
18 January 2016 18:49:48

I believe I may be the originator of this term.  It was in autumn 2003 that I went on a long rant in the MO thread about people getting carried away with charts at 240 hours + in which I likened these charts to Fantasy Island, though it was the TV series as much as the song that I had in mind.


Apologies if I am incorrect in this assertion to the person that got there before me!  In those days I was the artist known as "Man of Kent".


WI


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Gooner
18 January 2016 19:00:10

Very interesting and I'm very grateful for your speedy response. (Gooner, by 'abbs' I meant abbreviations!

Originally Posted by: Dmartinburns 


I was kidding


Good to have you on here


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


Darren S
18 January 2016 19:29:00


I believe I may be the originator of this term.  It was in autumn 2003 that I went on a long rant in the MO thread about people getting carried away with charts at 240 hours + in which I likened these charts to Fantasy Island, though it was the TV series as much as the song that I had in mind.


Apologies if I am incorrect in this assertion to the person that got there before me!  In those days I was the artist known as "Man of Kent".


WI


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


Bad luck - thanks to the Wayback Machine, I found mention of "Fantasy Island" on a post from December 2002. See the 12th post down on this link from kmoorman (Kieron, who still posts here today!). I'm not saying he was the first, but this is earlier than Autumn 2003! 


http://web.archive.org/web/20021225215904/http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/weatherreports/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12315&whichpage=3&ARCHIVE=


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Dmartinburns
18 January 2016 19:29:39
Thanks Doctor, I'll check them out!
idj20
18 January 2016 19:32:26

Welcome aboard, David. This does make for a handy cut-out-and-keep guide.

There should also be a post covering well known weather related nicknames, such as the Murr Sausage, Rex High, Bartlett High, Retrogression, Pembrokeshire Dangler, etc. I'm aware some of us aren't keen on those terms but personally I'm rather fond of them. Shows that we are fun people after all.


Folkestone Harbour. 
Darren S
18 January 2016 19:39:53


Welcome aboard, David. This does make for a handy cut-out-and-keep guide.

There should also be a post covering well known weather related nicknames, such as the Murr Sausage, Rex High, Bartlett High, Retrogression, Pembrokeshire Dangler, etc. I'm aware some of us aren't keen on those terms but personally I'm rather fond of them. Shows that we are fun people after all.


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Of those, only "Murr Sausage" and "Bartlett High" are slang, named after Steve Murr and Paul Bartlett (RIP) respectively. The other three are real things, e.g.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_(meteorology)#Rex_blocks


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pembrokeshire_Dangler


 


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Jonesy
18 January 2016 19:46:58


Hi All,


Been a watcher on this site for years but this is my first post. Is there somewhere I can get a list of common abbreviations used here? I mean things like waa, mlb etc. Great site and very sensible, educated comments (mainly)! Just need a handle on those abbs.


David Burns. South East London


 


Originally Posted by: Dmartinburns 


WW = Willy Waving ©Gusty


 


 



Medway Towns (Kent)
The Weather will do what it wants, when it wants, no matter what data is thrown at it !
Gusty
18 January 2016 19:51:11

WW  = Willy waving. A new fashionable term used whereby posters try to outsmart other posters with model analysis and then proceed to show off when their assumptions turn out correct.


EDIT Jonesy..I had not seen that post..hilarious ! 


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nsrobins
18 January 2016 20:03:41


 


Bad luck - thanks to the Wayback Machine, I found mention of "Fantasy Island" on a post from December 2002. See the 12th post down on this link from kmoorman (Kieron, who still posts here today!). I'm not saying he was the first, but this is earlier than Autumn 2003! 


http://web.archive.org/web/20021225215904/http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/weatherreports/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12315&whichpage=3&ARCHIVE=


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Seems some of us have been around a disturbingly long time.


Yes FI or Fantasy Island was deduced from the TV series of the same name.


 


Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Deep Powder
18 January 2016 20:27:32
QBO - quasi biennial oscillation, I know what the acronym stands for, but no idea what it means😝
Near Leatherhead 100masl (currently living in China since September 2019)
Loving the weather whatever it brings, snow, rain, wind, sun, heat, all great!
Whether Idle
18 January 2016 21:48:55


 


 I found mention of "Fantasy Island" on a post from December 2002. See the 12th post down on this link from kmoorman (Kieron, who still posts here today!).


http://web.archive.org/web/20021225215904/http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/weatherreports/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12315&whichpage=3&ARCHIVE=


Originally Posted by: Darren S 


Thanks for disinvesting me of that misconception.  Quite a relief as it happens!


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.

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