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The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 15:18:19

A & E was full of drunks last night thanks to flag shaggers like this. Do they even know what VE day is? Perhaps Victory "over" Europe


 




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Retron
09 May 2020 15:19:36


What  a perfect headline this would make for the Daily Mail? As we know immigrants are the source of most ills in this country...why not blame them for Covid 19 too?  Talk about pandering to base prejudices...If the illegal immigrants were being brought ashore and then let lose in the community, that would  be one thing...Is there any evidence that this is actually what is happening? 


Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


As you know, I'm dead against illegal migrants leaving a perfectly safe country at the best of times, but when we're suffering from a pandemic? It's annoying beyond belief and given how we're all enduring a lockdown, it's utterly reckless. We have to stop them making the journey in the first place. Sadly despite using drones and aircraft it's seemingly impossible to detect all these boats as they leave shore.


I would hope the migrants undergo a forced quarantine for a fortnight, but as they generally get released into the community I'm not getting my hopes up.


The majority of boats are intercepted in the Channel by Border Force and taken to the Port of Dover, where Home Office staff begin screening migrants in a shipping container.


From there, it is likely they will be held at the Kent Intake Unit, near the car ferry terminal, where they can make an asylum claim and have an initial interview before being released.


Adults will be sent to hostel-style accommodation across the country, paid for by the government and provided by private contractors.


...


"Some may well win their appeals and the rest of them are just stuck in the country in limbo," he said.


Unable to work legally, many of these failed asylum seekers then depend on charity handouts and "sofa surf" or are "essentially forced to work in the black market economy," he added.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50813246 


Leysdown, north Kent
The Beast from the East
09 May 2020 15:20:48


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Saint Snow
09 May 2020 15:22:20


 


Doesn't matter what rag it is. Do you understand what the word illegal means? They should not be here. They have not entered the country properly, legally. For every one boat they intercept, at least nine are getting through and once here they have connections already here to absorb into. I bet you there are millions and millions that should not be here because they are illegal.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


Millions and millions, eh? Sounds serious. 



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Retron
09 May 2020 15:26:18


Kent is top of the total number of cases charts because it is such a large county.


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


That's part of it, but not all of it.


We only started shooting up the chart in mid-April. For example, on the 15th we were 3rd, on the 16th we were 2nd, then on the 17th we were first. We've retained that position ever since and the gap has been widening.


Whether it's the new arrivals from France (the couple of hundred we've had in the last fortnight), Londoners coming down for the weekend or just good old supermarket mixing causing it, who knows...


Leysdown, north Kent
Phil G
09 May 2020 15:29:22


 


And there you have the Culture Wars in a nutshell!


Anything written or spoken by someone from "the other side" is completely dismissed, ignored or ridiculed. 


Of course, it happens the other way too, but it tends to be only be the Far left who are blinkered, not centrists or the soft left


But anyone vaguely rightwing now seems to have been radicalised to the extent that rational and reasoned debate is no longer possible. 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


I think you are confusing radicalised with being fed up with remainers and the hard left. We have had enough of their unaccepting behaviour. We are fed up to the back teeth with them. Their main mouthpiece has been the BBC, which walks hand in hand with the Guardian, the BBC bias for remainers in Brexit was astonishing, totally unacceptable. For that, the BBC will never be forgotten and a full review with changes can't come quick enough in certain areas. I quote them on virus stuff, but politically I don't trust them. Since the election their presenters have undergone a personality transplant. The sly devils are muted to keep hold of their jobs, but you can sense the frustration in them. They could not stop themselves argueueing with leavers up to the election.


The hard left were in power. We were under dictatorship until the December election finally broke the mold.


There is the hard left BBC/Guardian and the centre right. I am centre right as I am sure a lot round here are. Don't get that confused with the hard right which is Tommy Robinson territory.

Phil G
09 May 2020 15:30:43


 


 


Millions and millions, eh? Sounds serious. 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Yes, its not good at all.

Gavin D
09 May 2020 15:35:25
96,878 tests to 9am down from 97,029 to 9am on Friday

346 all settings deaths

3,896 new cases

11,809 in hospital down from 12,284 yesterday and down 17% on last Saturday
JHutch
09 May 2020 15:41:50


 


That's part of it, but not all of it.


We only started shooting up the chart in mid-April. For example, on the 15th we were 3rd, on the 16th we were 2nd, then on the 17th we were first. We've retained that position ever since and the gap has been widening.


Whether it's the new arrivals from France (the couple of hundred we've had in the last fortnight), Londoners coming down for the weekend or just good old supermarket mixing causing it, who knows...


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Kent has risen up the charts because of the fall off in the number of covid cases in London. Just look at the dramatic drop in the number of London hospital cases versus the lower drop in the number of cases elsewhere including in south-east England. Cities/towns elsewhere in the country have seen moved up the number of infections table as well - Gateshead now has the highest number of cases per head in the whole of England whereas it wasnt in the top 30 several weeks back - are you suggesting Gateshead's rise is down to a mass of illegal immigrants surging into the area? Immigrants may or may not be affecting the number of cases but Kent has a population of 1.5 million so a few hundred immigrants are not likely to be having a large impact

Gavin D
09 May 2020 15:42:55

Daily slides


Daily tests



New cases



Transport



Hospitals - JVT confident R is below 1



ICU 



All settings deaths with a rolling 7-day average


Chichesterweatherfan2
09 May 2020 15:43:10


 


I think you are confusing radicalised with being fed up with remainers and the hard left. We have had enough of their unaccepting behaviour. We are fed up to the back teeth with them. Their main mouthpiece has been the BBC, which walks hand in hand with the Guardian, the BBC bias for remainers in Brexit was astonishing, totally unacceptable. For that, the BBC will never be forgotten and a full review with changes can't come quick enough in certain areas. I quote them on virus stuff, but politically I don't trust them. Since the election their presenters have undergone a personality transplant. The sly devils are muted to keep hold of their jobs, but you can sense the frustration in them. They could not stop themselves argueueing with leavers up to the election.


The hard left were in power. We were under dictatorship until the December election finally broke the mold.


There is the hard left BBC/Guardian and the centre right. I am centre right as I am sure a lot round here are. Don't get that confused with the hard right which is Tommy Robinson territory.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


this has to be the most bonkers post in a while....I had not appreciated that Theresa May was on the hard left....nor for that matter David Cameron...or Gordon Brown..or Tony Blair...what your post reeks of  is absurd ideological nonsense.....In fact in the last few months we’ve had the most hard left, socialist policies introduced in this country since 1945....all under Boris Johnson ...and in that context I totally agree with those policies,,,I guess you are miffed that your Brexit sunny uplands nervana is disappearing in a puff of smoke...due to Covid 19 and you have the unpleasant reality from your perspective of some EU countries doing rather better than than the UK is in the on going battle....

speckledjim
09 May 2020 15:43:55


 


Kent has risen up the charts because of the fall off in the number of covid cases in London. Just look at the dramatic drop in the number of London hospital cases versus the lower drop in the number of cases elsewhere including in south-east England. Cities/towns elsewhere in the country have seen moved up the number of infections table as well - Gateshead now has the highest number of cases per head in the whole of England whereas it wasnt in the top 30 several weeks back - are you suggesting Gateshead's rise is down to a mass of illegal immigrants surging into the area? Immigrants may or may not be affecting the number of cases but Kent has a population of 1.5 million so a few hundred immigrants are not likely to be having a large impact


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


As you said Kent is 60th so hardly a hotbed for the virus


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Retron
09 May 2020 15:47:07


 


Kent has risen up the charts because of the fall off in the number of covid cases in London. Just look at the dramatic drop in the number of London hospital cases versus the lower drop in the number of cases elsewhere including in south-east England. Cities/towns elsewhere in the country have seen moved up the number of infections table as well - Gateshead now has the highest number of cases per head in the whole of England whereas it wasnt in the top 30 several weeks back - are you suggesting Gateshead's rise is down to a mass of illegal immigrants surging into the area? Immigrants may or may not be affecting the number of cases but Kent has a population of 1.5 million so a few hundred immigrants are not likely to be having a large impact


Originally Posted by: JHutch 


Er, no? However, at best the new arrivals will be healthy, at worst they'll be adding to the totals. There's not much info out there, of course.


Although in terms of cases per population Kent is a long way down the table, the rate of increase in cases has been high enough to propel it from lower in the absolute cases table to the top spot, then extend that lead. It does seem to be the case that there are various hotspots, Kent was one in mid April and now it looks like it's the northwest that's having a bit of a surge.


All this will complicate things when the lockdown is eased, as if there's a greater R value in some areas then the last thing you want to do is encourage more mixing. I don't envy the planners' task, that's for sure!


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Chichesterweatherfan2
09 May 2020 15:47:11


 


Yes, its not good at all.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


πŸ˜›πŸ˜›it’s what happens when you read a diet of the daily mail and express....hundreds become thousands....and thousands become millions...just like benefit scroungers and  cheats, illegal immigrants..the list could go on....and exactly as Beast says...scapegoating is a very successful strategy in political terms...

Phil G
09 May 2020 15:52:34


 


this has to be the most bonkers post in a while....I had not appreciated that Theresa May was on the hard left....nor for that matter David Cameron...or Gordon Brown..or Tony Blair...what your post reeks of  is absurd ideological nonsense.....In fact in the last few months we’ve had the most hard left, socialist policies introduced in this country since 1945....all under Boris Johnson ...and in that context I totally agree with those policies,,,I guess you are miffed that your Brexit sunny uplands nervana is disappearing in a puff of smoke...due to Covid 19 and you have the unpleasant reality from your perspective of some EU countries doing rather better than than the UK is in the on going battle....


Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


Some EU countries doing rather better than the UK? This has just started. We are barely on the starting blocks with this. I wouldn't be backing any horses just yet! As to Brexit sunny uplands, yes we are leaving no transition 31 Dec. The further we are from the EU Titanic when it sinks, the better! Can't come quick enough! May was a weak and feable remainer, a puppet for the EU. Just thank god remainer MPs did not vote for her ludicrous deal. They got greedy, her deal was the EU's dirty work!

fairweather
09 May 2020 15:53:28


 


Doesn't matter what rag it is. Do you understand what the word illegal means? 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


"Guardian? Enough said! "


So it clearly does matter to you . You are entitled to your view but it will lose some credibility if it contradicts itself!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Phil G
09 May 2020 15:54:33


 


 


πŸ˜›πŸ˜›it’s what happens when you read a diet of the daily mail and express....hundreds become thousands....and thousands become millions...just like benefit scroungers and  cheats, illegal immigrants..the list could go on....and exactly as Beast says...scapegoating is a very successful strategy in political terms...


Originally Posted by: Chichesterweatherfan2 


You really haven't grasped when a boat or lorry is intercepted carrying these, it really really is the tip of the iceberg to what is getting through, and its been going on for years and years!

Gavin D
09 May 2020 16:02:27

Regional data for new cases today in England


The 7 English regions 



  • London +111 (0.4%) 25,734

  • Midlands +232 (1.0%) 22,277

  • North West +285 (1.3%) 22,148

  • North East and Yorkshire +247 (1.2%) 21,021

  • South East +187 (1.0%) 19,119

  • East of England +220 (1.8%) 12,076

  • South West +67 (1.0%) 6,974


The 10 local areas with the highest cases



  1. Kent +60 (1.5%) 4,110

  2. Lancashire +26 (0.8%) 3,119

  3. Birmingham +15 (0.5%) 3,075

  4. Hampshire +26 (0.9%) 3,005

  5. Essex +27 (1.0%) 2,840

  6. Surrey +20 (0.7%) 2,740

  7. Hertfordshire +81 (3.2%) 2,569

  8. Sheffield +14 (0.6%) 2,341

  9. Cumbria +34 (1.6%) 2,096

  10. Staffordshire +15 (0.8%) 1,949


The 10 local areas with the lowest cases



  1. Rutland +1 (4.0%) 25

  2. North East Lincolnshire +1 (0.7%) 139

  3. Isle of Wight +3 (1.9%) 155

  4. Torbay +1 (0.5%) 210

  5. Bath and North East Somerset +1 (0.5%) 221

  6. Bracknell Forest 228 - No change

  7. Hartlepool 230 - No change

  8. Windsor and Maidenhead +2 (0.7%) 272

  9. Calderdale +3 (1.1%) 273

  10. North Somerset +7 (2.4%) 294

Gavin D
09 May 2020 16:04:44

UK data



  • Number of tests - 96,878

  • People tested - 63,339

  • Positive - 3,896

  • All settings deaths - 346


The confirmed rate for positive tests has fallen to 6.15%

Gavin D
09 May 2020 16:07:28

Pillar 1 - 1,679
Pillar 2 - 2,217 


Total - 3,896


56.9% of today's confirmed cases come from key workers and over 65s

Gavin D
09 May 2020 16:10:34

Italy



  • 1,083 new cases 

  • 194 new deaths 

haggishunter
09 May 2020 16:14:49


 


I think you are confusing radicalised with being fed up with remainers and the hard left. We have had enough of their unaccepting behaviour. We are fed up to the back teeth with them. 


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


What would remaining in the EEA and keeping freedom of movement take from you? Nothing that's what, but from everyone else what you want takes away citizenship, rights and opportunities and protections. And you think we are the ones that should be quiet? 

JHutch
09 May 2020 16:15:47


Er, no? 


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Exactly



Although in terms of cases per population Kent is a long way down the table, the rate of increase in cases has been high enough to propel it from lower in the absolute cases table to the top spot, then extend that lead. It does seem to be the case that there are various hotspots, Kent was one in mid April and now it looks like it's the northwest that's having a bit of a surge.


All this will complicate things when the lockdown is eased, as if there's a greater R value in some areas then the last thing you want to do is encourage more mixing. I don't envy the planners' task, that's for sure!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


I mentioned before that Kent's rise has been due to the different situation between London and the rest of the country. Interesting that Kent hasn't been closer to London's trend though. Has there been any breakdown of Kent's figures to smaller parts of the county? There was a huge 367 cases the other day although that followed a week of very few cases so that day's figure was presumably actually the result of several days' testing.


I really don't think that comparing absolute numbers is very helpful though when local authorities are so different in size. Kent has 4110 cases which is over 10 times more than Redcar and Cleveland's 359 yet due to Kent's population being over 10 times larger both have 262 cases per 100,000 of population. 


Nope, it's a difficult task facing the planners. Several months down the line they will be criticised either for being too slow or for being too fast with loosening, quite possibly both at the same time. Get it wrong and you face a lot of economic damage being blamed on you or a lot of deaths. No real precedents, uncertain public reaction, etc. Number of cases here is about 15% of what is was at its peak but we are still seeing a few cases everyday, it is still out there, presumably there are (admittedly a small number of) asymptomatic people walking round every day.

Chichesterweatherfan2
09 May 2020 16:16:39


 


You really haven't grasped when a boat or lorry is intercepted carrying these, it really really is the tip of the iceberg to what is getting through, and its been going on for years and years!


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


 


I agree ..it has been going on for years and will carry on doing so as long as people are desperate...there was a high level of illegal immigration in the 1930s...the Daily Mail famously ran a campaign against it..illegal Jewish immigrants...the rest is history...anyway. I don't want to detail the thread...by going back to Brexit...you won the argument..it is happening.. I am just taking a modicum of pleasure in watching Brexiteers dreams falling around their ears... although of course there is a much greater human tragedy unravelling before our eyes ...

Phil G
09 May 2020 16:21:09


 


What would remaining in the EEA and keeping freedom of movement take from you? Nothing that's what, but from everyone else what you want takes away citizenship, rights and opportunities and protections. And you think we are the ones that should be quiet? 


Originally Posted by: haggishunter 


Do you know what, I can't be bothered, the majority voted, it's done, it's sorted, it's the past. Let's get this back on the virus topic.

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