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Maunder Minimum
20 May 2020 08:53:42

Part of the problem is the way our society has lost the ability to see the bigger picture. I am not sure why that is.


Take the media - they love to pick up and emote about individual cases - BBC News finds someone with a hard luck story and promotes the story. All well and good - may make for good television - but without context it is irrelevant. What is relevant is hard statistics - how many are affected? What percentage?


It was like the piece in the news about a woman who was unable to use food vouchers at Tescos for her and her child - horrible for her of course, but what we really need to know from a proper News service, is whether those who have such problems are one in ten thousand or one in ten, otherwise it is just a ploy to emote for no good purpose.


 


New world order coming.
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 08:56:32


 


Like Nick, I am lost for words for describing the state of many of the media in this country (particularly newspapers). Sooner or later their low quality affects how a democracy functions and I think we are seeing the results in our country too.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Its been happening for over 40 years since the human cancer that is Murdoch took over Fleet Street. 


I still despair that broadcast media still take their cue from newspapers all the time, Why do we have a nightly Press preview on Sky and BBC, not once but twice! Why don't they take stories from internet based news outlets as well


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
David M Porter
20 May 2020 08:57:32


 


I'm sure the fellow is a great bloke but it all seems like an example of the power of the media propelling a walk in the garden to near Saint hood.


Originally Posted by: westv 


A pensioner approaching their 100th birthday doing a walk around their garden to raise money for any good cause would be highly praiseworthy under any circumstances. However, given that Captain Sir Tom took much time out to do this during the most difficult situation this country has faced since WW2 in order to raise money for the NHS during the biggest crisis it has faced during its existence more than merits the vast media attention on Captain Tom and the amount of praise that he has received.


Not everyone who gets the amount of media attention that he has had recently is anything like as deserving of it.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
Maunder Minimum
20 May 2020 08:58:16


 


Its been happening for over 40 years since the human cancer that is Murdoch took over Fleet Street. 


I still despair that broadcast media still take their cue from newspapers all the time, Why do we have a nightly Press preview on Sky and BBC, not once but twice! Why don't they take stories from internet based news outlets as well


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You are obsessed with Uncle Rupert for some reason (like many on the left).


What do you think of my post above? That many news organisations emote about the particular, rather than exploring the general (which is what matters to society as a whole).


New world order coming.
NickR
20 May 2020 08:59:23


 


 


As I recall, the main objection was that the virus wasn't eliminated but remained active in the nose.  Whilst not ideal, if it prevents infection and symptoms it would still be achieving a valuable function.


I've musing on the justifiable criticisms of the government flying around here and elsewhere and thinking that sloppy media coverage deserves at least as much flak.


A key role of the media is to inform, not misinform.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


That objection was based on misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation. The virus recovered from the monkeys could not be grown in culture. I.e., it was not active virus.


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The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 08:59:26


I don't want to appear mean spirited but I do agree. An amazing achievement raising the funds he did which has been recognised  with an honorary military promotion, a birthday flypast and an unprecedented RM post mark....but a Knighthood seems a bit excessive.   


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


Agree, but it gets the Dead Body count off the front page for a day, There is only so much teacher and Union bashing the press can do 


 


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Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Heavy Weather 2013
20 May 2020 09:00:35


 


You are obsessed with Uncle Rupert for some reason (like many on the left).


What do you think of my post above? That many news organisations emote about the particular, rather than exploring the general (which is what matters to society as a whole).


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


You seem equally obsessed with the BBC


Mark
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Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
20 May 2020 09:02:00


 


Agree, but it gets the Dead Body count off the front page for a day, There is only so much teacher and Union bashing the press can do 


 


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


The National Education Union is providing plenty of ammunition - they look petulant, when they should be engaging in a constructive manner.


New world order coming.
Gavin D
20 May 2020 09:02:08

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Maunder Minimum
20 May 2020 09:04:16


 


You seem equally obsessed with the BBC


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


BBC 6-o-clock news is the worst example - they are always finding some individual to promote their hard luck story, regardless of whether the problem is systemic or particular - makes me cringe. Channel-4 news is as left wing biased as they come, but at least they do the legwork, examine the issues and bring on knowledgeable poeple to interview, instead of relying on Gladys from Glamorgan to sob on camera.


New world order coming.
David M Porter
20 May 2020 09:06:50


 


Like Nick, I am lost for words for describing the state of many of the media in this country (particularly newspapers). Sooner or later their low quality affects how a democracy functions and I think we are seeing the results in our country too.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


Agree completely with this, xioni.


I know that the BBC is still rated very highly by many people for the quality of its news coverage and general everyday output, but for me the quality of its news coverage, especially when it comes to politics, has dropped markedly from what I remember it being during my schooldays (I left school in 1997). For me, one thing that is wrong is that there seems to be as much, if not more, emphasis on entertaining the public as there is on informing them. The BBC is far from alone in this regard, though.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 09:08:16


 


You are obsessed with Uncle Rupert for some reason (like many on the left).


What do you think of my post above? That many news organisations emote about the particular, rather than exploring the general (which is what matters to society as a whole).


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Not just him, all of the billionaire barons. When I was working for Priti the Bitch (nearly 20 years ago now), one of our clients was Richard Desmond, who owned the Express at the time. 


An absolute monster of a man with no redeeming features whatsoever. Maybe that's why they are so successful!


As for your Tesco story, it is important for the BBC to highlight flaws in the system, as that's often the only way they are fixed - awareness


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
David M Porter
20 May 2020 09:10:28


 


Not just him, all of the billionaire barons. When I was working for Priti the Bitch (nearly 20 years ago now), one of our clients was Richard Desmond, who owned the Express at the time. 


An absolute monster of a man with no redeeming features whatsoever. Maybe that's why they are so successful!


As for your Tesco story, it is important for the BBC to highlight flaws in the system, as that's often the only way they are fixed - awareness


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


You worked for Priti Patel?


Lenzie, Glasgow

"Let us not take ourselves too seriously. None of us has a monopoly on wisdom, and we must always be ready to listen and respect other points of view."- Queen Elizabeth II 1926-2022
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 09:13:28


 


See if he turns up at PMQ's today and that will hopefully put you and a few others out of their misery 😃


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


What do mean "if"? 


You think it should be optional? 


Incredible how this charlatan is always treated like some kind of loveable rogue, just because he is good at making jokes and talks posh, and has funny hair


But you get the leaders you deserve. This country is finished


 


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RobN
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20 May 2020 09:14:03


I don't want to appear mean spirited but I do agree. An amazing achievement raising the funds he did which has been recognised  with an honorary military promotion, a birthday flypast and an unprecedented RM post mark....but a Knighthood seems a bit excessive.   


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


I suppose instead he could just have made a whopping donation to the Tory party and saved himself a lot of bother.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
SJV
20 May 2020 09:15:33

Regarding schools, this argument seems convincing to me. I struggle to see how anyone could argue against this.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/20/british-schools-science-children-education-testing-tracing?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true

Originally Posted by: NickR 


Those that do argue against it are living in cloud cuckoo land. 



Guardian saying the NHS app-ocalypse is delayed until June:


Plans to introduce coronavirus tracing have been hit by fresh uncertainty as it emerged that a mobile tracking app will not be ready until June.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Unacceptable.

The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 09:17:13


 


You worked for Priti Patel?


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


A long time ago now, but thankfully not for long! I left the company in 2003 after I fell ill with an ear infection and couldn't work.  


 


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Saint Snow
20 May 2020 09:19:35


 


They are behaving like petulant children. "Do not engage" "Do not respond to emails" - that is not a constructive way forward, it is playground behaviour.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


 


As I explained previously, it's nothing of the sort.


The teaching unions are seeking a universal, nationally-implemented agreement on a framework of minimum standards to cover the whole UK (or at least E&W). They don't want teachers in individual schools weakening their collective bargaining position by making their own agreements which may be weaker than those sought by the teaching unions nationally.


Divide & rule is an age-old device used by those in power. The antidote is to stand united and strong and not be picked-off one by one.



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 09:21:44


 


Boris reminds me of a WW1 general, sending out his ministers to be mown down by the ranks of machine guns from the press while he stays in a dug-out, sorry, comfortable hotel, well back from the front line.


Or do you prefer the Duke of Plaza Toro "He led his army from behind / he found it less exciting" (G & S)


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Reminds me of the Blackadder Goes Forth sketch with General Melchett  


"Men, I will be right behind you as you go over the top...…."


Blackadder interjects - "about 35 miles behind you"


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Saint Snow
20 May 2020 09:22:14


I don't want to appear mean spirited but I do agree. An amazing achievement raising the funds he did which has been recognised  with an honorary military promotion, a birthday flypast and an unprecedented RM post mark....but a Knighthood seems a bit politically-motivated.   


Originally Posted by: llamedos 


 


I've just amended that for you 


 


 



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
fairweather
20 May 2020 09:24:01

OMG - Cambridge University are having only distance learning for students for whole of next year !!! If other universities follow suit at this early stage it will be a national disgrace. We've wiped out a fair few of the elderly now we may be throwing away a whole life experience for our youngsters. I just can't imagine how devastated 18 year olds will be. They have lost the experience and excitement of doing their A'levels and to have this snatched away from them is unimaginable. At the very worst i thought there would be a term by term review. Furthermore they intend to charge the full tuition fee.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
The Beast from the East
20 May 2020 09:24:29


In fact, where has this story about the BMA dropping their opposition to schools opening even come from? Their chair was on GMB just this morning stating that infections remain too high for them to open.


Originally Posted by: John p 


Lies from the Daily Torygraph, but it worked. The broadcast news seem to be repeating it this morning


I despair at this country


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
Saint Snow
20 May 2020 09:26:50


A key role of the media is to inform, not misinform.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


 


Bless



 


(the key role of the media is whatever their owners decide their role is - and in the majority of the print media at least, that role is to further the owners' economic interests)



Martin
Home: St Helens (26m asl) Work: Manchester (75m asl)
A TWO addict since 14/12/01
"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics."
Aneurin Bevan
xioni2
20 May 2020 09:37:09


I left the company in 2003 after I fell ill with an ear infection and couldn't work.  


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Are you sure it wasn't Covid-19?

speckledjim
20 May 2020 09:48:41


OMG - Cambridge University are having only distance learning for students for whole of next year !!! If other universities follow suit at this early stage it will be a national disgrace. We've wiped out a fair few of the elderly now we may be throwing away a whole life experience for our youngsters. I just can't imagine how devastated 18 year olds will be. They have lost the experience and excitement of doing their A'levels and to have this snatched away from them is unimaginable. At the very worst i thought there would be a term by term review. Furthermore they intend to charge the full tuition fee.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


But they have also said that they will have smaller classes that are face to face to compliment the distance learning. And, it will be reviewed in line with government guidelines so may not be for the full academic year.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


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