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Bertwhistle
09 August 2020 14:51:27


 


Thanks for these additional points. 


The readings from 22 July 1868 are interesting. I found a book on the Met Office Archives on London weather dated from 1968. This has interesting facts on the past. There were several stations that recorded 95F+ in July 1868. Greenwich being the main one but that site has long since been discounted due to non-standard exposure. Isleworth also comes up but I have never seen this quoted in lists of extremes so again I assume it has been discounted. 


The most reliable station quoted in the book is Epsom. This station has the recognised maximum for 22 July 1911. The book states that Epsom recorded 97F on both 22 July 1868 and 22 July 1911. No Celsius figures or decimals in those days. 


So I am going to add to my list Epsom at 36.0C for 22 July 1868, consistent with the 1911 reading.


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Now that is a book I would dearly love to get my hands on. 


Thanks GW.


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KevBrads1
09 August 2020 14:54:46


 


Now that is a book I would dearly love to get my hands on. 


Thanks GW.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


I wrote an article on 22nd July 1868, a couple of years ago 


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19043


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NDunwell
09 August 2020 14:57:29


I'm a little suspicious of the figures coming out of Heathrow. I'm just a few miles down the road and my back garden thermometer is just below 30c. Perhaps their barometer needs recalibrating or moving to a slightly more shady site.


Originally Posted by: briggsy6 


Why would their reading be suspicious and yours not? The temperature here in Ruislip is currently 32 and that's with the sun in and out of the high cloud at the moment so see no reason why that Heathrow reading is not accurate. 


Nick
Ruislip (2 miles from the Northolt recording station)
Sevendust
09 August 2020 14:58:54


 I wrote an article on 22nd July 1868, a couple of years ago 


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19043


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


That makes you nearly as old as Gavin (HT) 

Jiries
09 August 2020 14:58:58


 


Thanks for these additional points. 


The readings from 22 July 1868 are interesting. I found a book on the Met Office Archives on London weather dated from 1968. This has interesting facts on the past. There were several stations that recorded 95F+ in July 1868. Greenwich being the main one but that site has long since been discounted due to non-standard exposure. Isleworth also comes up but I have never seen this quoted in lists of extremes so again I assume it has been discounted. 


The most reliable station quoted in the book is Epsom. This station has the recognised maximum for 22 July 1911. The book states that Epsom recorded 97F on both 22 July 1868 and 22 July 1911. No Celsius figures or decimals in those days. 


So I am going to add to my list Epsom at 36.0C for 22 July 1868, consistent with the 1911 reading.


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Thanks for putting Epsom on the list.  If you were doing the cold spot listing Epsom had recorded -24C  -12F from the Surrey Weather book.


Here now mostly sunny but not warm enough to reach 28C or more as forecasted due to all morning clouds mean no heating up.  

Rob K
09 August 2020 15:00:49
Temp still climbing here despite high cloud, up from 29.1 at 3pm to 30.9 at 4pm!
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Sevendust
09 August 2020 15:02:21

Temp still climbing here despite high cloud, up from 29.1 at 3pm to 30.9 at 4pm!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Just walked back from Sainsbury's - sweatfest. 30.5'c here

nsrobins
09 August 2020 15:03:57


 


Gosport Fleetlands is slightly ahead with 31.8 at 2pm. Will need a big surge to get anywhere near the 35. Quite a bit more cloud bubbled up here in the last half hour, temp 28.7.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I assume Gosport Fleetlands (former Aerospace plant) is on the second tier of official ground stations. Has anyone any details on it’s history or what it’s official status is? 
I’m currently a mile away from that location and a reliable sensor is at 33.3C in the shade.


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KevBrads1
09 August 2020 15:06:28


 


That makes you nearly as old as Gavin (HT) 


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


 



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It supposedly have got to 35.5C at Old Trafford on 15th July 1868. Who says it always rains in Manchester?


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warrenb
09 August 2020 15:11:26
Heat definitely further west today, only 31c here
Gusty
09 August 2020 15:14:36

Maxed here today at 31,1c. A little cooler thanks to a moderate NE'ly breeze.


The dewpoint of 19-20c would have made for awful conditions had it not been for the breeze.


That's four consecutive above 30c now. Impressive for a coastal location.


30.1, 34.1, 33.0, 31.1c


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09 August 2020 15:16:28


 


Now that is a book I would dearly love to get my hands on. 


Thanks GW.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


You can read it here


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/IO_2bc852ad-d7c2-4921-83d8-6d589e0f12e1/


There is a slightly earlier publication here called A Century of London Weather dated 1952


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/IO_1222f365-1041-4be8-889e-f53850885bdc/


This has one other potential candidate for our list although difficult to know how reliable the readings were back then:


16 June 1858 - 95F No location given. Can't confirm if this was 35.0C though as all readings were rounded to nearest Fahrenheit degree back then.


The March 1984 issue of the Journal of Meteorology gives a figure of 35.6C at Gunby on 5 July 1959 (part of a list of the hottest days of the year for every year since 1875 which is very interesting. The Torro site only gives 34.4C as the maximum on 5 July 1959. Not sure why there is a difference.


I am inclined to include the Gunby reading on the basis that the IJMet was a respected, but sadly now defunct journal.


http://www.ijmet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/87.pdf


Finally this link to the original 2000 article in Weather Magazine with the list of highest and lowest daily readings (what is now updated on the Torro site). It has some helpful notes. It mentions Barbourne and also Isleworth amongst others. The Epsom station was apparently in a private garden in a built up area and somewhat sheltered. So not the most reliable site.


https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1477-8696.2000.tb04084.x

Ally Pally Snowman
09 August 2020 15:17:25

Lots of 33s looks like Gosport Fleetlands 33.5c


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Crepuscular Ray
09 August 2020 15:18:38
Amazing reading these reports, it's too chilly and windy to sit out today here!
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Rob K
09 August 2020 15:19:39


 


I assume Gosport Fleetlands (former Aerospace plant) is on the second tier of official ground stations. Has anyone any details on it’s history or what it’s official status is? 
I’m currently a mile away from that location and a reliable sensor is at 33.3C in the shade.


Originally Posted by: nsrobins 


It’s a proper WMO and Met Office auto station. 
33.5C there now, levelling off. 35 looks unattainable but somewhere might scrape 34. 


Once again the Met have gone too high by the looks of it. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Ally Pally Snowman
09 August 2020 15:21:36


 


It’s a proper WMO and Met Office auto station. 
33.5C there now, levelling off. 35 looks unattainable but somewhere might scrape 34. 


Once again the Met have gone too high by the looks of it. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


They've been poor so far . Will their three 37s in a row come off?


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
09 August 2020 15:26:47


 


 


They've been poor so far . Will their three 37s in a row come off?


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


In the words of the great Les Dennis, if it does then I’ll give you the money myself :)


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
Bertwhistle
09 August 2020 15:28:00


 


You can read it here


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/IO_2bc852ad-d7c2-4921-83d8-6d589e0f12e1/


There is a slightly earlier publication here called A Century of London Weather dated 1952


https://digital.nmla.metoffice.gov.uk/IO_1222f365-1041-4be8-889e-f53850885bdc/


This has one other potential candidate for our list although difficult to know how reliable the readings were back then:


16 June 1858 - 95F No location given. Can't confirm if this was 35.0C though as all readings were rounded to nearest Fahrenheit degree back then.


The March 1984 issue of the Journal of Meteorology gives a figure of 35.6C at Gunby on 5 July 1959 (part of a list of the hottest days of the year for every year since 1875 which is very interesting. The Torro site only gives 34.4C as the maximum on 5 July 1959. Not sure why there is a difference.


I am inclined to include the Gunby reading on the basis that the IJMet was a respected, but sadly now defunct journal.


http://www.ijmet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/87.pdf


Finally this link to the original 2000 article in Weather Magazine with the list of highest and lowest daily readings (what is now updated on the Torro site). It has some helpful notes. It mentions Barbourne and also Isleworth amongst others. The Epsom station was apparently in a private garden in a built up area and somewhat sheltered. So not the most reliable site.


https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/j.1477-8696.2000.tb04084.x


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Very very grateful. Have desktopped all 3.


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lanky
09 August 2020 15:31:46


I have had a go at listing all the days where 35C has been reached in the UK. I am sure there may be one or two missing but hopefully it is fairly comprehensive. So far I have identified 35 days. If anyone has any thoughts on additional days to add to the list please let me know.


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Table


 


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Looked at my version (which you helped with a few months ago !) and apart from my entries for Jersey which you have skipped (not UK) I had one extra record


02/08/1990 of 36.2C for Barbourne (Worcs) as below from the MetO digital diary


  


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
09 August 2020 15:34:23


 


It’s a proper WMO and Met Office auto station. 
33.5C there now, levelling off. 35 looks unattainable but somewhere might scrape 34. 


Once again the Met have gone too high by the looks of it. 


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Wiggonholt at 33.4C still appeared to be rising strongly at 1600 (up 1.9C in the past hour)


Herstmonceux also at 33.4C

Rob K
09 August 2020 15:35:28
I think Barbourne has been expunged from the official records; the Met don’t seem to mention it nowadays. I dimly remember reading something on uk.sci.weather about the person who ran the station having been found to be “cooking the books”, but I might be mixing that up with somewhere else.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
09 August 2020 15:38:35

I think Barbourne has been expunged from the official records; the Met don’t seem to mention it nowadays. I dimly remember reading something on uk.sci.weather about the person who ran the station having been found to be “cooking the books”, but I might be mixing that up with somewhere else.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


See the link I posted above to the Weather article. Barbourne frequently recorded temperatures 2-3C above neighbouring stations. The Met Office did originally accept the record in 1990 but have since removed it from their summaries.


See this link here which I posted earlier in the thread - no reference to Barbourne


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/weather/learn-about/uk-past-events/interesting/1990/hot-spell-august-1990---met-office.pdf

Rob K
09 August 2020 15:42:10
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/# !searchin/uk.sci.weather/Barbourne/uk.sci.weather/tepd6xuPggU

Draw your own conclusions. To be clear, I am not trying to cast aspersions on Paul Damari.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome
lanky
09 August 2020 15:44:04


 


See the link I posted above to the Weather article. Barbourne frequently recorded temperatures 2-3C above neighbouring stations. The Met Office did originally accept the record in 1990 but have since removed it from their summaries.


See this link here which I posted earlier in the thread - no reference to Barbourne


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/weather/learn-about/uk-past-events/interesting/1990/hot-spell-august-1990---met-office.pdf


Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


OOh I didn't know anout that - thanks GW/RobK I will alter my spreadsheet accordingly !


 


Martin
Richmond, Surrey
09 August 2020 16:11:57

Met Office just tweeted


34.0C Herstmonceux


33.8C Heathrow


33.8C Gosport

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