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springsunshine
17 April 2021 08:19:57


 


1966? 1977? Let's hope it is different to both of them. Especially with many people staying in the UK. Neither of these summers were up to much. 


Originally Posted by: GezM 


Ive a feeling this summer is going to be similar.Its looking like a distinctly cold year with most   months below average. We seem absolutly stuck in this present weather pattern and no end in sight.

jhall
17 April 2021 09:32:41


 


1917 was incedible, so much lower than anything else. Looking at the reanalysis charts, very nasty indeed.


 

Originally Posted by: Col 


And it came after notable prolonged cold in winter and March. Given the privations of WW1 as well, people must have been getting really down, not to mention what it must have been like for those in the trenches.


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Gavin P
17 April 2021 09:45:05


Here is the latest April CET tracker. Looks really cold. This is based on the 0z ECM which was a cold run.


Almost every day is below average on this tracker. My CET estimate is running well below the Hadley provisional data at present. So expect a very large downward adjustment this month.


The current estimate is a final CET of 6.85C which would make this the coldest April since 1989 when the figure was 6.6C.


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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Gosh! Been a long time coming. First time April has been colder than the March before it since 2012 as well.


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ARTzeman
17 April 2021 10:46:10

Met Office Hadley          5.6c       Anomaly     -1.5c. provisional to 16th


Metcheck                       5.10c     Anomaly      -2.92c


Netweather                    5.65c     Anomaly      -2.46c


Peasedown St John      5.4c       Anomaly      -3.0c. 






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Spring Sun Winter Dread
17 April 2021 12:08:46
The minima are certainly exceptional.
As far as the overall CET goes I remember reading in Philip Eden's writeup of April 2012 (which I struggle to find online now sadly ) that although that month was the coldest since 1989 there were maybe 6 or 7 colder ones in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
Which is a roundabout way of saying that the run of warm to very warm April's that dominated in the 1990s, 2000s as well as much of the 10s have seriously warped our expectations of this month.
In the 70s or 80s I daresay this month would look far more ordinary
Bolty
17 April 2021 13:32:50
Certainly a very interesting April so far. Not only the coldest for some time but also extremely dry too - quite an unusual pairing in the summer half of the year. Personally I'm not a fan of cold months at this time of year but this one has been a lot more tolerable because of the dryness and quite a fair amount of sunshine. I'm just thankful it hasn't turned out like April 2012.
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GezM
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17 April 2021 13:47:16


 Whoosh. Oh never mind.


Originally Posted by: Col 


 I got the World Cup 1966 joke Col. I was just stating that in this thread, 2 years have been mentioned as similar to 2021 for temperature pattern matching. They were 1966 and 1977. Weatherwise, both of those summers were poor so I'm concerned that this year might follow the same path. 


At least both of those summers had something to cheer us up about. Perhaps this will be England's year in the Euros? But I'm not holding my breath. 


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Col
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18 April 2021 04:55:17


 


 I got the World Cup 1966 joke Col. I was just stating that in this thread, 2 years have been mentioned as similar to 2021 for temperature pattern matching. They were 1966 and 1977. Weatherwise, both of those summers were poor so I'm concerned that this year might follow the same path. 


At least both of those summers had something to cheer us up about. Perhaps this will be England's year in the Euros? But I'm not holding my breath. 


Originally Posted by: GezM 


OK, sorry for the whoosh 🙂 I'm sure a lot of people recall the awful weather of the Silver Jubilee in 1977. We went to Otley Chevin to see the beacon being lit, I think you were supossed to be able to see the other beacons in the chain as well, but fat chance of that in the rain and low cloud. Summers in the 60s were generally poor, at least by today's standards. I don't know if 1966 was poor by the stadards of the time.


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KevBrads1
18 April 2021 05:43:06


 


Summers in the 60s were generally poor, at least by today's standards. I don't know if 1966 was poor by the stadards of the time.


Originally Posted by: Col 


Were they?


Manchester Summer Indices


1960 217


1961 203


1962 197


1963 194


1964 197


1965 189


1966 192


1967 223


1968 215


1969 234


Summers 2010-2020


2010 191


2011 179


2012 164


2013 247


2014 236


2015 192


2016 189


2017 192


2018 272


2019 199


2020 182


 


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238
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Col
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18 April 2021 06:34:56


 


Were they?


Manchester Summer Indices


1960 217


1961 203


1962 197


1963 194


1964 197


1965 189


1966 192


1967 223


1968 215


1969 234


Summers 2010-2020


2010 191


2011 179


2012 164


2013 247


2014 236


2015 192


2016 189


2017 192


2018 272


2019 199


2020 182


 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


That's interesting, always thought summers in the 60s weren't up to much. Perhaps I'm thinking of the 50s. Anyway, I was born in 1967 so don't remember them myself.


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Ally Pally Snowman
18 April 2021 07:15:03


 


Were they?


Manchester Summer Indices


1960 217


1961 203


1962 197


1963 194


1964 197


1965 189


1966 192


1967 223


1968 215


1969 234


Summers 2010-2020


2010 191


2011 179


2012 164


2013 247


2014 236


2015 192


2016 189


2017 192


2018 272


2019 199


2020 182


 


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


I'm surprised 19 and 20 aren't higher over here in the East they were both good with lots of useable weather with occasional  bursts of heat.


 


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Col
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18 April 2021 08:17:44

Certainly a very interesting April so far. Not only the coldest for some time but also extremely dry too - quite an unusual pairing in the summer half of the year. Personally I'm not a fan of cold months at this time of year but this one has been a lot more tolerable because of the dryness and quite a fair amount of sunshine. I'm just thankful it hasn't turned out like April 2012.

Originally Posted by: Bolty 


The CET may be heading for a notably low figure this month but I don't think April so far will go down as particularly cold with the general public. The reason being of course that it has been the many air frosts that have dragged the average down, daytime temps have been pretty close to normal and this is what most people will experience when they are 'out and about'. That said I'm not most people and I walk 2.5 miles to work every morning wearing shorts, leaving at 4.45am. It's pretty cold then, I can tell you! But most people won't experience that, they will just have the pleasant enough daytime temps, plenty of sun and increasingly in this April, lack of rain. Therefore it will go down as a 'good' spell of weather.


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ARTzeman
18 April 2021 10:14:30

Met Ofice Hadly       5.7c      Anomaly    -1.5c provisional t 17th


Metcheck                 5.19c    Anomaly     -2.83c


Netweather              5.72c    Anomaly     -2.39c


Peasedown St John 5.4c     Anomaly   -3.0c.      






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ARTzeman
19 April 2021 10:15:59

Met Office Hadley        5.8c     Anomaly     -1.5cprovisional to 18th


Metcheck                     5.31c   Anomaly      -27.1c


Netweather                  5.84c   Anomaly      -2.27c


Peasedown St John     5.7c     Anomaly      -2.7c.   






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ARTzeman
20 April 2021 10:16:43

Met Office Hadley       5.9c      Anomaly      -1.4c provisional to 19th


Metcheck                    5.49c    Anomaly      -2.53c


Netweather                 6.01c    Anomaly      -2.1c


Peasedown St John    5.94c     Anomaly     -2.46c.   






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ARTzeman
21 April 2021 12:05:34

Met Office Hadley        6.1c     Anomaly   -1.2c provisional to 20th


Metcheck                     5.72c   Anomaly    -2.30c


Netweather                  6.22c   Anomaly    -1.89c


Peasedown St john     5.9c.    Anomaly     -2.5c.    


 






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22 April 2021 05:17:35


 


The CET may be heading for a notably low figure this month but I don't think April so far will go down as particularly cold with the general public. The reason being of course that it has been the many air frosts that have dragged the average down, daytime temps have been pretty close to normal and this is what most people will experience when they are 'out and about'. That said I'm not most people and I walk 2.5 miles to work every morning wearing shorts, leaving at 4.45am. It's pretty cold then, I can tell you! But most people won't experience that, they will just have the pleasant enough daytime temps, plenty of sun and increasingly in this April, lack of rain. Therefore it will go down as a 'good' spell of weather.


Originally Posted by: Col 

  Yes I agree with you.  


We are just off for our regular morning walk, only 3K and I wrap up warm in a coat, hat and jogging bottoms but it’s still cold on the knees.  It’s frosty and -3c but once the sun gets out you can feel its warmth.  We do the same walk in the afternoon in T. Shirt sleeves, when the temp is in the teens and people we pass comment on the lovely weather.  


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ARTzeman
22 April 2021 11:34:14

Met Office Hadley         6.3c     Anomaly    -1.1c provisional to 21st


Metcheck                      5.73c    Anomaly    -2.29c


Netweather                   6.37c    Anomaly    -1.74c


Peasedown St John     6.24c     Anomaly    -2.16c. 






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Col
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22 April 2021 15:48:25


  Yes I agree with you.  


We are just off for our regular morning walk, only 3K and I wrap up warm in a coat, hat and jogging bottoms but it’s still cold on the knees.  It’s frosty and -3c but once the sun gets out you can feel its warmth.  We do the same walk in the afternoon in T. Shirt sleeves, when the temp is in the teens and people we pass comment on the lovely weather.  


Originally Posted by: Caz 


For me I wear shorts for comfort on my daily walk to work, a couple of degrees of frost is perfectly OK, as long as I keep up a brisk pace. As long as I 'wrap up warm' up top my bare legs don't seem to mind the cold. What I really don't like is wind chill. -2C and calm is fine but a higher temerature with a wind giving a wind chill of that value is far more unpleasant. Shorts were fine for much of the winter but during the cold spells of Jan & Feb I was wearing trousers just like anybody else!


As for the CET well it's creeping up now but there's going to have to be a major heatwave at the end of the month for to get anywhere close to my 8.15C estimate and there isn't any sighn of that at the moment. Still, I'mtowards the bottom end of the predictions range so it could be worse. There willl be some large errors this month, that's for sure.


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ARTzeman
23 April 2021 11:14:20

Met Office Hadley         6.4c      Anomaly     -1.1c provisional to 22nd


Metcheck                      5.79c    Anomaly     -2.23c


Netweather                   6.43c    Anomaly     -1.68c


Peasedown St John     6.33c     Anomaly      -2.07c. 


 






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23 April 2021 13:28:42


 


For me I wear shorts for comfort on my daily walk to work, a couple of degrees of frost is perfectly OK, as long as I keep up a brisk pace. As long as I 'wrap up warm' up top my bare legs don't seem to mind the cold. What I really don't like is wind chill. -2C and calm is fine but a higher temerature with a wind giving a wind chill of that value is far more unpleasant. Shorts were fine for much of the winter but during the cold spells of Jan & Feb I was wearing trousers just like anybody else!


As for the CET well it's creeping up now but there's going to have to be a major heatwave at the end of the month for to get anywhere close to my 8.15C estimate and there isn't any sighn of that at the moment. Still, I'mtowards the bottom end of the predictions range so it could be worse. There willl be some large errors this month, that's for sure.


Originally Posted by: Col 

Bare legs are OK in cold weather if you’re used to it.  Hubby used to shudder when he saw people in shorts on frosty mornings.  However, I reminded him that all young boys wore them for school when we were young and didn’t wear long ‘uns until you got to senior school.  Girls wore skirts and socks, so our knees were always open to the elements and we didn’t notice it.  


There’s no way we’re going to get near my 9.2c guess and it looks like we’ll end below average.  Down I go!  


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 April 2021 13:33:03


Met Office Hadley         6.4c      Anomaly     -1.1c provisional to 22nd


Metcheck                      5.79c    Anomaly     -2.23c


Netweather                   6.43c    Anomaly     -1.68c


Peasedown St John     6.33c     Anomaly      -2.07c. 


 


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


 


Almost certain now we've all gone to high. 


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Caz
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23 April 2021 18:11:51


 


 


Almost certain now we've all gone to high. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yes it’s certainly looking that way, especially with GW’s predicted downgrade. 


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Global Warming
23 April 2021 19:13:39

April CET now looking like it will come in around 6.5C. Could be the coldest April since 1986 and the joint second coldest April since 1941.


CET mean is trending exactly 2C below the 1981-2010 mean and 0.67C below the March figure.


Minimum CET is currently a massive 3.2C below average.


Maximum CET is currently 0.8C below average.


No one is going to even be in the ballpark when it comes to the competition this month. I declare no one to be the winner!


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Caz
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24 April 2021 05:35:40


April CET now looking like it will come in around 6.5C. Could be the coldest April since 1986 and the joint second coldest April since 1941.


CET mean is trending exactly 2C below the 1981-2010 mean and 0.67C below the March figure.


Minimum CET is currently a massive 3.2C below average.


Maximum CET is currently 0.8C below average.


No one is going to even be in the ballpark when it comes to the competition this month. I declare no one to be the winner!


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Originally Posted by: Global Warming 

  A very unusual month, dry with some warm, sunny days but hard frosts at night.  Fooled us all!  Has there ever been an occasion when we’ve all gone too high or too low?  Or is this a first?  


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