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Hungry Tiger
30 October 2024 12:23:12
Just seen some more stats. Valencia was getting the rain at a rate of 160mm an hour which equates to 1 inch every 10 minutes. That is some downpour.  No wonder the damage and destruction is the way it is.   😞 
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Hungry Tiger
30 October 2024 12:41:54
Anyone got anymore stats. These rainfall figures I've already seen are quite amazing and I think even exceed the ones in Queensland the other year when they had a tropical depression pass through. Valencias 160mm an hour is incredible and takes some beating.    🙂 
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four
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30 October 2024 19:01:38
This won't be mentioned of course.
What looks like the same bridge which collapsed completely covered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Valencia_flood 
Jiries
30 October 2024 21:45:53
While Spain had lot of record rainfall on oter end of the Med, Nicosia, Cyprus sadly had a rainless month after September was wetter.
DEW
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30 October 2024 22:06:45

This won't be mentioned of course.
What looks like the same bridge which collapsed completely covered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Valencia_flood 

Originally Posted by: four 


Nearer to home, the 1952 Lynmouth flood disaster could be considered comparable

https://visitlyntonandlynmouth.com/history-heritage/the-1952-lynmouth-flood-disaster/ 
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picturesareme
31 October 2024 01:37:11

Anyone got anymore stats. These rainfall figures I've already seen are quite amazing and I think even exceed the ones in Queensland the other year when they had a tropical depression pass through. Valencias 160mm an hour is incredible and takes some beating.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Genoa the other week saw a storm dump 120mm in one hour with rain rates of a staggering 960mm/h.

A clip from said storm for those with access to Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBltdj1A1ub/?igsh=YzQxajRpM2MwaTV6 
Gandalf The White
31 October 2024 01:37:45

This won't be mentioned of course.
What looks like the same bridge which collapsed completely covered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1957_Valencia_flood 

Originally Posted by: four 


You see no difference between it being completely covered and destroyed and swept away?
Your desperation to pretend climate change isn’t having any effect is leading you to make some truly daft comments.
Maybe have a think about the difference between water levels rising and waters raging and having the force to destroy a bridge.
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four
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31 October 2024 18:18:14

You see no difference between it being completely covered and destroyed and swept away?
Your desperation to pretend climate change isn’t having any effect is leading you to make some truly daft comments.
Maybe have a think about the difference between water levels rising and waters raging and having the force to destroy a bridge.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


It was swept away (on webcam) well before it was covered.
Here's another page documenting the1957 flood which cannot be mentioned in mainstream media as the permissible narrative has been decreed.
.
https://carolineangus.com/2013/10/14/la-riua-october-14-1957-the-flood-that-changed-valencia-forever/ 

There was 20" of rain over 2 days, there was 14" in the recent event though it hasn't stopped yet.
The 1957 storm was far worse so the leaping to blame it on climate change is as usual agenda ridden tosh.
Devonian
31 October 2024 18:26:19

It was swept away (on webcam) well before it was covered.
Here's another page documenting the1957 flood which cannot be mentioned in mainstream media as the permissible narrative has been decreed.
.
https://carolineangus.com/2013/10/14/la-riua-october-14-1957-the-flood-that-changed-valencia-forever/ 

There was 20" of rain over 2 days, there was 14" in the recent event though it hasn't stopped yet.
The 1957 storm was far worse so the leaping to blame it on climate change is as usual agenda ridden tosh.

Originally Posted by: four 


So you still don't accept the world is warming at all due to human activty?
four
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31 October 2024 19:03:41
You don't accept every weather event is used as propaganda for warming doom?
Warming can be at least equally a good thing as a bad thing and precious little evidence that 0.5C or whatever it is currently being adjusted to had any input to this storm.

I suppose its something that you haven't managed to dig up some dirt on the web page from 2013 as somehow invented by a denier or whatever you are labelling anyone with common sense these days.
In your astonishing quest to politicise the weather as a means to implement total state control.
Hungry Tiger
31 October 2024 19:43:31

Genoa the other week saw a storm dump 120mm in one hour with rain rates of a staggering 960mm/h.

A clip from said storm for those with access to Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBltdj1A1ub/?igsh=YzQxajRpM2MwaTV6 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Dear Lord. I'll do some sums with that.   🙂 
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Hungry Tiger
31 October 2024 19:49:02

Genoa the other week saw a storm dump 120mm in one hour with rain rates of a staggering 960mm/h.

A clip from said storm for those with access to Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBltdj1A1ub/?igsh=YzQxajRpM2MwaTV6 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


That works out at just over 3 inches every 5 minutes. Very close to a world record. The world record is 1 inch in 90 seconds. That was in either Louisiana or Alabama in summer in a sub tropical thunderstorm.    🙂 
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Devonian
31 October 2024 19:54:15

You don't accept every weather event is used as propaganda for warming doom?
Warming can be at least equally a good thing as a bad thing and precious little evidence that 0.5C or whatever it is currently being adjusted to had any input to this storm.

I suppose its something that you haven't managed to dig up some dirt on the web page from 2013 as somehow invented by a denier or whatever you are labelling anyone with common sense these days.
In your astonishing quest to politicise the weather as a means to implement total state control.

Originally Posted by: four 


Actually I think the article you posted is interesting. Things like this have happened before - indeed I've read that reported. I've also read that it's thought AGW might add 10% to rainfalls. The atmosphere can hold 10% more WV now - it's known physics.

I'm interested in the data. I've never thought there's a huge global conspiracy being carried about by those seen by most people as rather strange men (like you and me) and women who like watching the weather, reading thermometers and like recording how each day, month year pans out.

I KNOW the climate has warmed over my lifetime, by a noticeable amount. We live in the countryside, we can see the changes. YOU know that too.
Gandalf The White
31 October 2024 21:27:51

You don't accept every weather event is used as propaganda for warming doom?
Warming can be at least equally a good thing as a bad thing and precious little evidence that 0.5C or whatever it is currently being adjusted to had any input to this storm.

I suppose its something that you haven't managed to dig up some dirt on the web page from 2013 as somehow invented by a denier or whatever you are labelling anyone with common sense these days.
In your astonishing quest to politicise the weather as a means to implement total state control.

Originally Posted by: four 


Let’s start with the facts, shall we?  Warming is now at close to 1.5c above pre-industrial levels, not 0.5c.  That’s the upper limit agreed at the Paris meeting and it’s almost gone.

Of course you can’t say every exceptional weather event is the result of climate change and nobody does say that.  What they say is that the event has been made more likely and/or worse by climate change, and the basic science supports that.

Then, it’s important to look at the global pattern.  We’ve had an exceptional hurricane devastate parts of the US, we’ve had this extraordinary storm in Spain, and now we’ve had a massive super typhoon hitting Taiwan a month beyond the normal window for such storms.

I know how you operate, since you have played the same tune for at least twenty years.  I remember you citing stories of a sailing ship reaching the Arctic Circle in your attempts to deny that the the Arctic was warming.  Citing some historical record and trying to claim that it proves that the event is not abnormal is from the same tiresome playbook.

You have this odd notion that there’s some grand conspiracy at work, talking up an imaginary threat; you are simply misguided and wrong.
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picturesareme
01 November 2024 00:05:55

That works out at just over 3 inches every 5 minutes. Very close to a world record. The world record is 1 inch in 90 seconds. That was in either Louisiana or Alabama in summer in a sub tropical thunderstorm.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


That's probably the absolute maximum rain rate and quite possibly (or probably) might have only lasted a few seconds - 16mm a minute. The mountain areas of Italy & France often see extreme rainfall totals from summer storm systems.

The dew points and heat that you can get in the Mediterranean region can rival those found in the southern states of America, and unlike Louisiana & Alabama some of the Mediterranean regions of Italy & Spain have very high mountainous terrain. 
DEW
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01 November 2024 07:30:28
The event seems to have been fairly local, if not very local. My neighbours have a villa less than 100 miles away and have been told there were thunderstorms and heavy rain there but nothing out of the usual for the time of year.  And I note that all the news reports are focusing on Valencia itself. 
Area most affected and maps of rainfall totals elsewhere on https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87xdelgv1qo . Maximum rainfall at Chiva about 20 miles inland from Valencia.

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Devonian
01 November 2024 08:57:03

The event seems to have been fairly local, if not very local. My neighbours have a villa less than 100 miles away and have been told there were thunderstorms and heavy rain there but nothing out of the usual for the time of year.  And I note that all the news reports are focusing on Valencia itself. 
Area most affected and maps of rainfall totals elsewhere on https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c87xdelgv1qo . Maximum rainfall at Chiva about 20 miles inland from Valencia.

Originally Posted by: DEW 


Aren't all events local?

westv
01 November 2024 09:15:50

Aren't all events local?

Originally Posted by: Devonian 


Hurricanes/typhoons/cylones?
Snowmageddon events? 
At least it will be mild!
Devonian
01 November 2024 09:21:47

Hurricanes/typhoons/cylones?
Snowmageddon events? 

Originally Posted by: westv 


Well, it depends what 'local' means.

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01 November 2024 17:44:52
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Gandalf The White
01 November 2024 23:20:39

Well, it depends what 'local' means.

Originally Posted by: Devonian 


If you mean ‘local’ as opposed to ‘national’ then I’d agree.  But I think there’s space for something in between. 
Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


White Meadows
02 November 2024 07:35:48

It was swept away (on webcam) well before it was covered.
Here's another page documenting the1957 flood which cannot be mentioned in mainstream media as the permissible narrative has been decreed.
.
https://carolineangus.com/2013/10/14/la-riua-october-14-1957-the-flood-that-changed-valencia-forever/ 

There was 20" of rain over 2 days, there was 14" in the recent event though it hasn't stopped yet.
The 1957 storm was far worse so the leaping to blame it on climate change is as usual agenda ridden tosh.

Originally Posted by: four 


The ‘Gota Fria’ was a term coined a long time ago, so mostly agenda driven media articles typically cancel this fact. Its origin dates back to 1886 so the conspiracy deniers have little to cling to this time. 
Hungry Tiger
02 November 2024 20:37:26
Cyprus getting some heavy thunderstorms. Cyprus FB page showing flooded roads.   😞 
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Ulric
03 November 2024 08:38:19
Local news from Cyprus...
https://cyprus-mail.com/2024/11/02/storms-and-strong-winds-cause-chaos-in-limassol/ 

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