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bradders
30 June 2018 22:25:07

I`m worried about this summer, we lived here in 1976 and we had structural problems with the house due to the extreme heat. Our gable end faces due South and in 76 we had cracking of the joints in the brickwork. We had to get the builders in to repair it.


I`m praying that we don`t have a repeat of that year.



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30 June 2018 22:37:08


I`m worried about this summer, we lived here in 1976 and we had structural problems with the house due to the extreme heat. Our gable end faces due South and in 76 we had cracking of the joints in the brickwork. We had to get the builders in to repair it.


I`m praying that we don`t have a repeat of that year.


Originally Posted by: bradders 


I think for that you’d need a continued hot dry summer, followed by an extremely dry winter and spring, followed by another extremely dry summer. So probably a while off yet.  Around where I am the clay is cracked badly, but I put my hand in a wide crack this afternoon and it was soaking wet below about a cm deep.


We are still not assured a dry July by any means. This evening’s GFS 18z gives 25-30mm in a week to large parts of England, before things settle down by the weekend. The two big questions now are: will the reload next weekend being progged by the models actually happen, and how messy will the (warm, sluggish) mini breakdown next week be. Tomorrow’s thunderstorms may be a useful indicator. Whatever happens it’s going to be a whole lot wetter down here (and particularly in France) than in recent weeks.


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picturesareme
30 June 2018 22:40:06


 


Really? I think the temperature profiles are much better so far.  The next tipping point will be mid-July. Up to then we will probably be doing well


Originally Posted by: Sevendust 


No as it stands July 2013 trumps June 2018..


 


UK overview


Much of July was settled with high pressure established over the UK and with plenty of sunshine in most areas. As the month progressed there was an increasing tendency for high daytime temperatures, exceeding 28 °C somewhere in the UK on 19 consecutive days from 6th to 24th, with values exceeding 30 °C on several days. This was the UK's most notable summer heat wave since 2006. The UK overall had a rather dry month compared to normal, with nearly all of the month's rain falling during the last ten days, often as thundery outbreaks.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/2013/july


19 yes 19 consecutive days of 28C or higher.. and it was a nationwide heat wave.


 33.5C was the highest temp that month and as far as I'm aware that has yet to be matched this June.

LeedsLad123
30 June 2018 23:13:28
July 2013 was obviously far warmer than this month. This month is much drier. July 2013 was sunnier. So July 2013 was better in this area imo.
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Weathermac
30 June 2018 23:20:21

July 2013 was obviously far warmer than this month. This month is much drier. July 2013 was sunnier. So July 2013 was better in this area imo.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


im puzzled you are talking like we are in july already so how can you declare 2013 is better than july 2018 ...


 

picturesareme
30 June 2018 23:26:22


 


im puzzled you are talking like we are in july already so how can you declare 2013 is better than july 2018 ...


 


Originally Posted by: Weathermac 


The heat wave of that year was mostly in July though the highest temps of the year occurred in very early August.. the heatwave as it stands of 2018 had been in June. 


Perhaps it will continue long (several weeks) into July and at that point we might very well be talking about something better then summer 2013. 😊

LeedsLad123
30 June 2018 23:28:34


 


im puzzled you are talking like we are in july already so how can you declare 2013 is better than july 2018 ...


 


Originally Posted by: Weathermac 


I'm saying July 2013 was better than June 2018. July 2018 could end up better than July 2013.


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KevBrads1
30 June 2018 23:39:42


 


I'm saying July 2013 was better than June 2018. July 2018 could end up better than July 2013.


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


Isn't it logical to compare June 2018 with June 2013 then?


In that case, June 2018 was better than June 2013.


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KevBrads1
30 June 2018 23:43:14


 


No as it stands July 2013 trumps June 2018..


 


UK overview


Much of July was settled with high pressure established over the UK and with plenty of sunshine in most areas. As the month progressed there was an increasing tendency for high daytime temperatures, exceeding 28 °C somewhere in the UK on 19 consecutive days from 6th to 24th, with values exceeding 30 °C on several days. This was the UK's most notable summer heat wave since 2006. The UK overall had a rather dry month compared to normal, with nearly all of the month's rain falling during the last ten days, often as thundery outbreaks.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/2013/july


19 yes 19 consecutive days of 28C or higher.. and it was a nationwide heat wave.


 33.5C was the highest temp that month and as far as I'm aware that has yet to be matched this June.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


Why are you comparing June 2018 with July 2013?


At this stage, June 2018 trumps June 2013. June 2013 actually has a below average CET. That seems to be forgotten. 


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picturesareme
30 June 2018 23:43:54


 


Isn't it logical to compare June 2018 with June 2013 then?


In that case, June 2018 was better than June 2013.


Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 


No not when comparing heatwaves.. the month is less important. 


The point really being is people comparing this current heatwave the best since many a bye gone era when in reality we had better more protracted (as it stands currently) heat wave less then 5 years ago. 😊


Anyway I'm off topic in this thread so i best leave it at that.

Joe Bloggs
01 July 2018 01:31:28


 


No not when comparing heatwaves.. the month is less important. 


The point really being is people comparing this current heatwave the best since many a bye gone era when in reality we had better more protracted (as it stands currently) heat wave less then 5 years ago. 😊


Anyway I'm off topic in this thread so i best leave it at that.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


As always in these discussions, it depends where you are in the country.


Leaving individual months aside, I’d suggest this period of summer weather is the best in this part of the world since 1995. 


This will always be very subjective depending on where you are geographically, and whether you are looking at longevity, dryness, number of sunshine hours, highest temp etc. This is why Kevin’s summer index is so effective. 



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andy-manc
01 July 2018 02:57:27

For Manchester, this summer so far has been without doubt the best since 1995. 2003 wasn't even comparable in my mind. I do feel we have been very lucky here this year though. We seem to be getting the best of all the nice weather which isn't normal. We have had 2 months of pretty much none stop sun. Even the mini breakdowns were petty and probably comparable to some of our half decent days on other summers!


 


Looking like it is set to continue well into July too, it is very special for this region . If it does continue on the same way into August then I would put this down as my best summer ever but 2 weeks is a long time in weather, never mind 2 months.


 

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01 July 2018 05:32:31

Back on topic, GFS seems to have abandoned its idea of a cold incursion and joined ECM in predicting warm, even hot, weather for the foreseeable future. Both models appear more interested in developing slack low pressure over the UK so maybe some thunderstorms around


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xioni2
01 July 2018 07:48:36

Another high pressure dominated ensemble by the EC 00z run and it's always fun to see a stronger anomaly/signal for day 13 vs days 5/6.


It would take a brave person to predict anything other than high pressure until the end of July and this looks more and more like the best summer of our lives!

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01 July 2018 08:01:48
There continues to be a very big gap in rainfall totals between GFS and most of the other models, particularly for next week.

For example GFS gives the London area 25-30mm, which is more than half our monthly rainfall in a week. The others give between 0 and 15mm.

GFS gives my area of central France a frankly biblical 220mm of rain in the next fortnight. ECM and GEM give it about 25mm.

Either GFS is wildly overcooking convective rainfall or the others are undercooking it. The macro patterns are the same, and the gap has been evident for days.
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xioni2
01 July 2018 08:28:23

There continues to be a very big gap in rainfall totals between GFS and most of the other models, particularly for next week.

For example GFS gives the London area 25-30mm, which is more than half our monthly rainfall in a week. The others give between 0 and 15mm.

GFS gives my area of central France a frankly biblical 220mm of rain in the next fortnight. ECM and GEM give it about 25mm.

Either GFS is wildly overcooking convective rainfall or the others are undercooking it. The macro patterns are the same, and the gap has been evident for days.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


Probably 2 issues here: GFS continues to often moisten up the boundary layer too much and it does also have a bit more cyclonic upper level flow in southern UK compared to the EC.


Central France should have some big totals later next week.


 


 

Hungry Tiger
01 July 2018 09:37:39

Nice.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU12_144_1.png


 


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Rob K
01 July 2018 10:42:11


Nice.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU12_144_1.png


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Indeed it just keeps getting prolonged. My automated weather app on my phone has 27C - 29C maxes for the next 10 days, although it does also show some shower risk during the week. To be honest I wouldn't say no to a downpour or two as the garden looks like the African savannah, too late for the magnolia tree which I think has already succumbed to the drought.


 


The 00Z GFS ensemble is more or less flatlined with only a few colder and less settled outliers.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


2018 is shaping up to be quite a good year for weather all round: plenty of snow, subzero March days, an April heatwave, lots of spring thunderstorms and now a summer scorcher!


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David M Porter
01 July 2018 10:53:37


Another high pressure dominated ensemble by the EC 00z run and it's always fun to see a stronger anomaly/signal for day 13 vs days 5/6.


It would take a brave person to predict anything other than high pressure until the end of July and this looks more and more like the best summer of our lives!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


It sure looks good at the moment going by the current output. I think the best thing we can do is take each week of the summer as it comes while keeping our eyes on the model output each day and hope that this excellent weather is maintained.


One thing I am sure of is that the opening weeks of this summer have given us as good a start to summer as any I can recall in all the time I have had an interest in the weather, and that's about 30 years now.


Lenzie, Glasgow

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johncs2016
01 July 2018 11:12:37


 


It sure looks good at the moment going by the current output. I think the best thing we can do is take each week of the summer as it comes while keeping our eyes on the model output each day and hope that this excellent weather is maintained.


One thing I am sure of is that the opening weeks of this summer have given us as good a start to summer as any I can recall in all the time I have had an interest in the weather, and that's about 30 years now.


Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


It's certainly been good on your side of the country but if you were to have come through here for any length of time and been stuck under those cool easterlies as we are just now, I'm not so sure that you would painting such a rosy picture of things just now.


 


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David M Porter
01 July 2018 11:19:43


 


It's certainly been good on your side of the country but if you were to have come through here for any length of time and been stuck under those cool easterlies as we are just now, I'm not so sure that you would painting such a rosy picture of things just now.


 


Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


Hi John


After Thursday's exceptional and stifling heat here (nearly 90F), we had a fairly strong easterly breeze throughout the day on Friday and yesterday and for me it was far more pleasant to be out and about in compared to what we had on Thursday. I don't mind cool easterlies at this time of year as long as it is mostly sunny or even bright. Obviously I can't speak for how much sun Edinburgh has had lately as I don't live near there, but from the forecasts I have seen Edinburgh has been forecast to receive plenty of sun too, even if not as warm or hot as the west of Scotland has been in the past few days.


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Brian Gaze
01 July 2018 16:59:22

Amazing GFS 12z run. Temps 30C or more for days and days on end in the southern half of the UK. #blowtorch #furnaceheat


https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfs.aspx?run=12&charthour=102&chartname=uk2mtmp&chartregion=uk&charttag=2m%20max%20temp%20(C)


 


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01 July 2018 17:42:53

Daniel had an email from Silverstone today warning that they expect temperatures to be around 28c during the five days they’re there.  At least it hasn’t broken up for their camping trip!  


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springsunshine
01 July 2018 18:42:50


Another high pressure dominated ensemble by the EC 00z run and it's always fun to see a stronger anomaly/signal for day 13 vs days 5/6.


It would take a brave person to predict anything other than high pressure until the end of July and this looks more and more like the best summer of our lives!


Originally Posted by: xioni2 


I take it you are quite young xioni ? Im guessing you don't remember 1995 or weren't around in 76 that was the best summer of my lifetime,the current heatwave is cool compared to that year.


Back on topic I see the beeb are forecasting more high pressure building in toward next weekend from the sw following a hot humid week with minimums not falling below 16c so the heatwave and high temperatures will continue July looks like being a scorcher as well and could well be on par with 2006 and 1983.

The Beast from the East
01 July 2018 18:51:41

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=216&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0


Should be fresher in the north, but still the heat goes on in the south but at least not extreme and fresher at night. Tonight will hopefully be the worst for a while


 


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