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Arcus
02 July 2018 10:36:44
Classic cut-off heat pump low develops on the GFS Costa Run.
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Caz
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02 July 2018 10:40:20


Not sure about the - symbol that appears next to rainfall at times. I'll investigate when I get chance.


Edit: see here


https://www.ecmwf.int/en/faq/why-does-accumulated-precipitation-has-sometimes-negative-values


 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

 Cheers Brian. I don’t understand it but at least there’s an explanation!  


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Stormchaser
02 July 2018 10:51:40

 

It was only a matter of time before one of the operational runs positioned the cut-off low in a manner conducive to a major shot of heat (never mind the temps shown; we know GFS undercooks severely).


A thundery breakdown then occurs Friday 13th. Nearly all runs of the past couple of days from this model have gone with that, which is very annoying when you've got tickets to Goodwood Festival of Speed for that day! Standing out in fields with a vast amount of metal around you during thunderstorms... is not a good idea!


A return to settled weather by the following Sunday or Monday keeps being shown too, just to rub it in .


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02 July 2018 16:59:17

There seems to be a new split opening up between models (again, generally between GFS on the one hand and all the others). They all seem to be agreed on a bit of instability this week then ridging across the country in time for the weekend. But what happens thereafter is really diverging:


GFS has the ridge losing its link to the main AH and a cut-off low building to our South West. Pressure starts to drop as the low drags up impressively hot uppers into the UK. It then turns unsettled and westerly.



That is the "12-15th July 2003" solution.



ECM and GEM (too early for UKMO but seemed to be going same way) have the ridge keeping its link to the AH, the cut off low not really developing and the high slipping a bit to the WNW, eventually bringing the promise of cooler fresher air though keeping it dry.



That's more like the May/June 2018 solution.


I prefer the ECM/GEM version of events. Much less hot in the short-medium term but a more promising prognosis longer term. Above all we need to keep things dry - there's too much summer left to be getting into thundery breakdowns and wet spells.


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Rob K
02 July 2018 17:07:01
We need some rain before August!

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn2222.gif 

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Rob K
02 July 2018 18:05:38


 


Scorchio!:


 


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Originally Posted by: Nick Gilly 


Yes GFS raw output has 32C by 1pm (12Z) so given the usual undercooking I think we’d be on for 35-36C somewhere there. 


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Arcus
02 July 2018 18:29:32

Vagaries of the other models aside, it's plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose from ECM:



Anything after 144 is just gravy.


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Brian Gaze
02 July 2018 18:30:08

GFS12z was an outlier during that period:



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Hungry Tiger
02 July 2018 19:57:07

A nice ridge keeping things warm to very warm and settled.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMOPEU12_144_1.png


 


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White Meadows
02 July 2018 21:37:52
CFS update predicts a hot July especially the West followed by continued above average temps into August:

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/htmls/euT2me3Mon.html 

I sure hope those firestarters are caught on Winter Hill.
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02 July 2018 22:40:18
ECM continues to look very nice, and somehow very 2018. GFS remains unsettled and hot-wet, 2004 style. I know which I prefer.
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02 July 2018 22:45:43
By the way the (bonkers and ain’t gonna happen) GFS 18z goes a bit Navgem on us next Thursday with 34C in the South - which means 36-37C- and 43C in central France.
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LeedsLad123
02 July 2018 22:45:59

ECM continues to look very nice, and somehow very 2018. GFS remains unsettled and hot-wet, 2004 style. I know which I prefer.

Originally Posted by: TimS 


At least there's no 2012 style on the cards. 


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02 July 2018 22:55:38


 


At least there's no 2012 style on the cards. 


Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 


18z FI threatens a bit of 2012 action. And there’s still the whole of August.


I was just looking through the 2013 archive charts. Mid way through July you’d have thought the patter was set in stone for the season, that isn’t what happened. So it could easily all go pear shaped and end in a damp squib. Like late winter 2010-11 and late summer 1994, 2006, 2013, 2015.


But on the other hand even a moderately decent rest of summer now would mean 2018 being up there as candidate for best summer of the 2010s.


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LeedsLad123
02 July 2018 23:19:26


 


18z FI threatens a bit of 2012 action. And there’s still the whole of August.


I was just looking through the 2013 archive charts. Mid way through July you’d have thought the patter was set in stone for the season, that isn’t what happened. So it could easily all go pear shaped and end in a damp squib. Like late winter 2010-11 and late summer 1994, 2006, 2013, 2015.


But on the other hand even a moderately decent rest of summer now would mean 2018 being up there as candidate for best summer of the 2010s.


Originally Posted by: TimS 


August 2013 was decent, so that would presumably fill the requirements. 


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bradders
03 July 2018 08:16:56


 Cheers Brian. I don’t understand it but at least there’s an explanation!  


Originally Posted by: Caz 

I was lost after the first 4 words "interpolation from a gaussian grid"



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Rob K
03 July 2018 10:02:14
This mornings ECM seems to lose the high pressure a bit towards the end. 00Z GFS also brings a fresher incursion by mid July although a ridge does build again after that.
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Rob K
03 July 2018 11:09:26
6Z GFS has 20C 850s in the south by July 13, before a very wet looking breakdown. Also seeing high pressure building over Greenland, with high pressure to the south of the UK trapping the jet across the country. No thanks!
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Joe Bloggs
03 July 2018 11:48:43

6Z GFS has 20C 850s in the south by July 13, before a very wet looking breakdown. Also seeing high pressure building over Greenland, with high pressure to the south of the UK trapping the jet across the country. No thanks!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Definitely no thanks!


Thankfully operational charts at that timeframe mean so little.


The op was clearly the hottest member on 12th July. Thereafter there's a fair amount of scatter, only a couple of members tip below the long term average.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSENS06_52_0_201.png


Interestingly the precipitation spike for 6th July is higher than any other point in the run. 


 



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Polar Low
03 July 2018 12:18:28


FWIW look at the mean Joe for around the 12th July fab stuff


http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=21&ech=192&carte=0&mode=0


 


 


Definitely no thanks!


Thankfully operational charts at that timeframe mean so little.


The op was clearly the hottest member on 12th July. Thereafter there's a fair amount of scatter, only a couple of members tip below the long term average.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSENS06_52_0_201.png


Interestingly the precipitation spike for 6th July is higher than any other point in the run. 


 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 

TimS
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03 July 2018 17:01:15
Looks like GFS 12z is continuing the recent trend and gearing up for the traditional start of the school holidays...
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Rob K
03 July 2018 17:02:41
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png 

GFS 12Z goes cooler and more unsettled too. It's the Greenland high rebuilding that I don't want to see.
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moomin75
03 July 2018 17:10:01
http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT2_London_ens.png 

GFS 12Z goes cooler and more unsettled too. It's the Greenland high rebuilding that I don't want to see.


Not concerned just yet. This breakdown was meant to have already started. This week was forecast to be much wetter and cooler. Quite the opposite.


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Jiries
03 July 2018 17:19:37

Looks like GFS 12z is continuing the recent trend and gearing up for the traditional start of the school holidays...

Originally Posted by: TimS 


If that does happen I don't think it will be very bad as last year which was like a switch off from 18th July onward and never recovered.  Like what moomin said supposed to be unsettled from 1st July here had been cancelled and push further away so hopefully it carry on until Autumn then they can do what they want.  Remember the models last year was showing settled runs in the FI from 18th July onward and it kept pushing back and back all the way to Autumn, bar brief settled warm BH weekend.

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