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Steve Murr
13 January 2019 06:45:14
@Retron
ECM brings out the 1995 cold this morning

-20c a risk in Scotland @192- Upper air cold pool developing in situ over England-
Retron
13 January 2019 06:50:21

@Retron
ECM brings out the 1995 cold this morning

-20c a risk in Scotland @192- Upper air cold pool developing in situ over England-

Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


Indeed, a weak ridge and clear skies would lead to some exceptionally cold temperatures. We last saw a -20 in 2010 and as you say there'd be a good chance of the same with that ECM run.


I suspect when we see the T2M ensembles later it'll be one of the coldest, if not the coldest member!


Leysdown, north Kent
Steve Murr
13 January 2019 06:56:38


 


Indeed, a weak ridge and clear skies would lead to some exceptionally cold temperatures. We last saw a -20 in 2010 and as you say there'd be a good chance of the same with that ECM run.


I suspect when we see the T2M ensembles later it'll be one of the coldest, if not the coldest member!


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Also a substantial correction west@216 with the atlantic V the milder 12z 


216 brings more in the way of snow to the UK -

Whether Idle
13 January 2019 07:03:04

I think the effects of the SSW may be starting to be calibrated a little more effectively by the ECM model as time progresses, with the ECM going for some cold scenarios this morning involving both frost for most and snow (for some). Its been fascinating viewing for days and I don't see that changing.  Nothing is particularly nailed on, but the potential for some stellar charts as the days progress, popping up in FI is there.


Today's offerings from the EC, however, may appear understated, but they are also fairly cold!


Dover, 5m asl. Half a mile from the south coast.
Steve Murr
13 January 2019 07:09:10


I think the effects of the SSW may be starting to be calibrated a little more effectively by the ECM model as time progresses, with the ECM going for some cold scenarios this morning involving both frost for most and snow (for some). Its been fascinating viewing for days and I don't see that changing.  Nothing is particularly nailed on, but the potential for some stellar charts as the days progress, popping up in FI is there.


Today's offerings from the EC, however, may appear understated, but they are also fairly cold!


Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


EC 240 must raise your eyebrow lol 😁

Retron
13 January 2019 07:11:28


EC 240 must raise your eyebrow lol 😁


Originally Posted by: Steve Murr 


TBH I'm stunned by that ECM run - that'd give a cold spell for the record books.


Leysdown, north Kent
Steve Murr
13 January 2019 07:18:19


 


TBH I'm stunned by that ECM run - that'd give a cold spell for the record books.


Originally Posted by: Retron 


Waiting for EPS - Although looking at the high res Aperge thats to 96 - it builds a similar blocking ridge 


Should be lots of support today !

Solar Cycles
13 January 2019 07:20:27
The ECM the pick of the output thus far today although it’s a predominantly dry set up for many until the end, I have to say though it does look a strange evolution.
Ally Pally Snowman
13 January 2019 07:22:30

ECM is on the verge of bonkersness in a good way I don't think I've seen a run quite like it before . The major models are still quite different to each other but most roads still lead to cold and snow.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
13 January 2019 07:27:53

 


A very decent set of GEFS this morning


 


 



 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
ballamar
13 January 2019 07:47:23
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPNH00_240_1.png 

Amazing chart the NH profile looks like cold and snow could be a feature for a while!!
doctormog
13 January 2019 07:57:29
I have to say that the colder theme is there today (with some less cold interludes). However, looking across the models and ensemble data available so far, the specific synoptics and details are anyone’s guess.

There are some tantalising options but also some underwhelming ones.

As for timing, it is blowing a hoodie here currently and t850s were over 5°C a few hours ago, by tonight the first (very) brief encounter with colder air with clip here, although it may not be too noticeable apart from feeling cold. In other words the timing is on track.
Tim A
13 January 2019 08:08:02
Interesting how the GFS op wants to persistently push that low through the country at 120 hours introducing +850 temps for a time. Really is out on its own and therefore there has to be only a very a low chance it is correct. Does have some support within its ensembles though.

ECM completely different at 240 hours to last night but then why would it not be at that time scale. The former discrepency with the GFS and other models fascinates me more.
Tim
NW Leeds
187m asl

 My PWS 
Solar Cycles
13 January 2019 08:34:49

Interesting how the GFS op wants to persistently push that low through the country at 120 hours introducing +850 temps for a time. Really is out on its own and therefore there has to be only a very a low chance it is correct. Does have some support within its ensembles though.

ECM completely different at 240 hours to last night but then why would it not be at that time scale. The former discrepency with the GFS and other models fascinates me more.

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

Agree, but it’s another option on the table however unlikely.

Gary L
13 January 2019 08:41:22

I was a bit worried when I saw the OP. Thankfully the ENS from the GFS are the best set yet!

Gusty
13 January 2019 08:48:22

The tropospherical response from the SSW appears to finally be manifesting across the NWP this morning in the form of an initial cold col set up. Signals for a significant cold spell have definitely edged up today.


I instantly thought of Steve Murr when I saw the ECM 240 this morning 


The ever westward retrogressing NW/SE jet alignment continues ensuring we eventually end up on the cold side of the jet. We then await a significant height rise in the Greenland / Iceland area circa 23- 26th ish.


With atlantic influences cut off it will be interesting to see how cold it gets and how quickly.


London moves towards the freezer at the end..its not often we can say that !


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Shropshire
13 January 2019 08:48:23


I was a bit worried when I saw the OP. Thankfully the ENS from the GFS are the best set yet!


Originally Posted by: Gary L 


I think we all remember 2013 when the GFS batted on with the wrong solution to something like T84, in a similar situation. Hopefully we will see corrections on forthcoming OP runs.


 


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Gary L
13 January 2019 08:50:57


 


I think we all remember 2013 when the GFS batted on with the wrong solution to something like T84, in a similar situation. Hopefully we will see corrections on forthcoming OP runs.


 


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


Fingers crossed. If we take the ECM as truth we're 4 days away now from the start of the cold spell! 

Deep Powder
13 January 2019 09:02:52


 


I think we all remember 2013 when the GFS batted on with the wrong solution to something like T84, in a similar situation. Hopefully we will see corrections on forthcoming OP runs.


 


Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


Good point, it really didn’t want to go with the slider scenario did it! Let’s hope it’s a more straightforward route this time......I doubt it.


Near Leatherhead 100masl (currently living in China since September 2019)
Loving the weather whatever it brings, snow, rain, wind, sun, heat, all great!
Gooner
13 January 2019 09:07:20

www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_table.php?ext=1&x=&lat=51.5085&lon=-0.12574&ville=Londres


 


This is always a good indicator of what GEFS is up to


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus
Banbury
North Oxfordshire
378 feet A S L


White Meadows
13 January 2019 09:41:30


 


Fingers crossed. If we take the ECM as truth we're 4 days away now from the start of the cold spell! 


Originally Posted by: Gary L 

Yes indeedy.... a far cry from the “Jam tomorrow” comments some have been posting without even checking the output. 


The main thing that caught my eye this morning is the significant westward ‘correction’ of the jet profile meaning we are not influenced by the dreaded Azores HP & cut off from further northerly or continental airflow. 

Crepuscular Ray
13 January 2019 09:50:49
I'm in Scotland until Friday and then a whole week in the Lakes. Could be an interesting place to be looking at the models 😲
Jerry
Edinburgh, in the frost hollow below Blackford Hill
Gavin D
13 January 2019 09:58:56

Ally Pally Snowman
13 January 2019 10:55:22

Decent GFS 6z very different to the ECM but still snowy .  Odd 264h+  with mild 850s easterly.  


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Heavy Weather 2013
13 January 2019 10:56:32
GFS is a right dogs dinner at the moment. It serves up a warm easterly in FI
Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

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