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Brian Gaze
11 January 2019 17:00:32

Not had time to look at the output in-depth today but the general picture remains the same. More changeable and colder weather is on the way. What's much less certain is:


1) Will the snow risk be significant in the southern half of the UK


2) Will the colder conditions be transient or prolonged


Onwards...


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cultman1
11 January 2019 17:05:50
The Met Office have sent out a round robin email to their subscribers and are 'quite bullish' about the forthcoming cold spell countrywide from late next week
Heavy Weather 2013
11 January 2019 17:06:45

Today has been fascinating.


I'd say that the interest for me is at its highest since the new year. I do feel we are now starting to see some effects showing there hand. In fact Retron made the point earlier, that reversal will be ongoing for a number of days yet so thing could get better from here on in.


Looking forward to the ensembles.


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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 17:09:50


Not had time to look at the output in-depth today but the general picture remains the same. More changeable and colder weather is on the way. What's much less certain is:


1) Will the snow risk be significant in the southern half of the UK


2) Will the colder conditions be transient or prolonged


Onwards...


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The 12z Op run ends messy but there is plenty of snow potential in that run for all parts of the country up until 27th Jan in FI.


Meanwhile the Met Office Update looks tasty - i did share on previous thread. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/gpc-outlooks/ens-mean


If only this could be broken down into each month and hope this or most of the blocking comes during the winter time - I.E February.


Below average temperatures at 850hpa too! Also looks like whilst the South and east of Europe have had all the cold and snow it seems as if they will warm up as we cool down as does NE AMERICA - time will tell and if this comes about - it could be that we have a very late start to Spring like back in 2018 or March 2013! Who knows?




So blocked and so perfect for southerly tracking lows as it seems!



Just got to love the northern blocking there:



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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 17:15:19

From next weekend on wards things look...'INTERESTING' for the whole of the UK, if this set up verifies!? 


 






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David M Porter
11 January 2019 17:21:03

For me, the pattern being suggested by the models for later next week onwards is in many ways reminiscent of the one we had for a while leading up to the arrival of the Beast at the end of last February. Much of last winter IIRC seemed to be dominated by a NW-SE pattern and it was this which gave my area its greatest amount of snow of last winter prior to the coming of the Beast.


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Rob K
11 January 2019 17:28:23
GFSP very different from the op run, with a Sceuro high by 192 hrs in place of the trough on GFS.
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doctormog
11 January 2019 17:31:37

GFSP very different from the op run, with a Sceuro high by 192 hrs in place of the trough on GFS.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Different to the GFS but similiar to the 06z GFSP, so hopefully the cold will flood in from the NW on the same timescale.


ballamar
11 January 2019 17:42:15
Ignoring too much detail the overall pattern looks wintry cold rain sleet and snow all likely - all snow the further north. As the models start to see the impact of the reversal coming into more reliable time frame the evolution will become more apparent- all model assumptions at the moment
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
11 January 2019 17:46:24

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So, looking at the GFS it has cold NW flow by Wednesday next week, then a new Low pushes in by Friday, turns less cold it brings rain in, and it has a Cold day with cold NW winds and Exiting PV Low to North Europe from the UK on the Saturday 19th Jan.


Scotland is cold on Monday the 14th with -10 850's, with much of the UK seeing less cold westerly WNW flow, and Mild air for all on Tuesday next week, 15th Jan. 2019.


The Icon Model is different on Tuesday as the Low Pressure is being tracked across Far North UK instead of Central UK, that GFS shows.  And it shows on it's 12z run, that another Deep Low pressure follow's quickly on Tuesday into Wednesday, brings cold NW winds and wintry showers after a spell of heavy rain, rain to snow in NW UK, pushing SE by Wednesday night.


It shows less cold air on Tuesday as pressure rise, with another Low moving in by Saturday 19th, to SW UK. Cold in Scotland N England by Friday Saturday.


UKMO is very much like what GFS is showing, and it brings NW winds on Wednesday 16th Jan, as cold air from the NW push Southeast, and it is less cold on the preceeding Monday and Tuesday but Tuesday brings Low Pressure with heavy rain in Central and NW North UK etc etc.


Low Pressure diving SE during Sunday 20th to Tuesday 21st on GFS 12z, a Rain Sleet and Snow event on the Sunday 20th, it is showing today but will it?.


And GFS 12z has UK being very cold On Monday and Tuesday 21 and 22 January with biting cold NE winds ha ha.


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Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
kmoorman
11 January 2019 17:59:14

There seem to be a few milder options in FI this time.... although that may be my mind playing tricks.

I'll need to analyse the snow rows once the 12Z GEFS appears on the chart page to be sure.

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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 18:05:22

Some very blocked ensembles I see - some members going for intense Greenland block where as others want to bring in an easterly and centre it over Scandinavia - the rest don't know what to do with the block:


This is the average of all 20 ensembles oif the 12z run:


Notice a southerly tracking jet stream and the build of pressure over Greenland now starting to show up:



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White Meadows
11 January 2019 18:05:33
Great updates from met office today. Usually The real gold dust at this range. Their text in mid & longe range includes all of my favourite words “ice, widespread severe frost, snow possible anywhere” and even better when combined with “gales”
tallyho_83
11 January 2019 18:08:35

Not feast from the east weather but at least it's a start:



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Rob K
11 January 2019 18:15:00

If only the GFSP would deliver some decent blocking to the NW 



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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 18:17:55


 


The 12z Op run ends messy but there is plenty of snow potential in that run for all parts of the country up until 27th Jan in FI.


Meanwhile the Met Office Update looks tasty - i did share on previous thread. https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/gpc-outlooks/ens-mean


If only this could be broken down into each month and hope this or most of the blocking comes during the winter time - I.E February.


Below average temperatures at 850hpa too! Also looks like whilst the South and east of Europe have had all the cold and snow it seems as if they will warm up as we cool down as does NE AMERICA - time will tell and if this comes about - it could be that we have a very late start to Spring like back in 2018 or March 2013! Who knows?




It's so blocked and so perfect for southerly tracking lows as it seems!



Just got to love the northern blocking there:



Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


I confused myself a little - what's the difference between the mean sea level pressure and 500hpa height? WHich is more relevant to us if we want cold and snowy blocked weather? Or both as good? Both charts look identical? 


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tallyho_83
11 January 2019 18:24:14


If only the GFSP would deliver some decent blocking to the NW 



Originally Posted by: Rob K 


Looks better from the N. Pole view down- got to love this chart and 1075mbs if this comes off? - This ties in well with the met Office blocking etc over Greenland. This denotes that if we get cold snowy weather it would most probably be from a Icelandic or Greenland block instead of a Scandinavian block therefore the north of the country esp Scotland /N. Ireland would do well out of this. Scotland and N, Ireland do poorly in terms of cold when it comes to easterlies!! 


Shame you can't see and get precipitation type on para charts. 



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White Meadows
11 January 2019 18:26:49


 


I confused myself a little - what's the difference between the mean sea level pressure and 500hpa ? WHich is more relevant to us if we want cold and snowy blocked weather? Or both as good? Both charts look identical? 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

a few thousand feet. 18k to be precise. You should know that by now. 


 


Edit: Tally, that parallel chart reminds me VERY much of early December 2010

doctormog
11 January 2019 18:30:10
At 144hr the ECM 12z op is very similiar to the UKMO at the same time point.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU12_144_1.png 
Rob K
11 January 2019 18:45:36


Shame you can't see and get precipitation type on para charts. 


 


Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


Meteociel has all those charts for the parallel as well. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Gavin D
11 January 2019 18:49:34

Coldest 850's don't hang around long on this evening's ECM


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kmoorman
11 January 2019 18:52:58

As I suspected -this run has undone all of the gains from the 6Z ensemble.  At least down here


 



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Rob K
11 January 2019 18:58:23
Weird looking ECM at 240. The sort of pressure pattern that you just don’t ever see in reality, so I’m rather sceptical.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Heavy Weather 2013
11 January 2019 19:07:16


As I suspected -this run has undone all of the gains from the 6Z ensemble.  At least down here


 



Originally Posted by: kmoorman 


Annoying lol


Mark
Beckton, E London
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