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Quantum
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29 January 2020 10:22:13

The more effective personal hygiene methods are recommended further down the article , so I hope people will scroll that far. I wish they'd recommended those as first priority and then at least a homeopathic top-up wouldn't do any harm

Originally Posted by: DEW

Homeopathy can do real harm.

People think homeopathy is just a harmless placebo. It isn't. In order to create homeopathic remedies you have to dilute vials of the actual virus and then drink it. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

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Quantum
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29 January 2020 10:25:59

#352

I think it's possible the virus may have issues spreading by the time summer arrives. High temperatures and UV are known to inactivate corona virus and there is no reason to think nCov is any different.

Ambient temperatures above 33C and preferably 38C with moderate humdity are effective at inactivating the virus quickly (within a a few days).

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Roger Parsons
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29 January 2020 10:35:19

#353

Homeopathy can do real harm.

People think homeopathy is just a harmless placebo. It isn't. In order to create homeopathic remedies you have to dilute vials of the actual virus and then drink it. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Originally Posted by: Quantum

It's a self-solving issue which needs no discussion of points of view. Just do it.

If the homeopaths are right - hurrah - well done - let's all do it.

If the homeopaths are deluded and wrong - tough - but message received.

I expect the latter case to apply but of course I could be wrong.

R.

RogerP
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Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
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Quantum
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29 January 2020 10:36:18

#354

It's a self-solving issue which need no discussion of points of view. Just do it.

If the homeopaths are right - hurrah - well done - let's all do it.

If the homeopaths are deluded and wrong - tough - but message received.

I expect the latter case to apply but of course I could be wrong.

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons

OK fine, but the problem is their stupidity isn't just suicidal. It affects us all by spreading the virus around even more.

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Roger Parsons
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29 January 2020 10:44:39

#355

OK fine, but the problem is their stupidity isn't just suicidal. It affects us all by spreading the virus around even more.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

I was being a bit sarky about the idea Q. Hence my emos. The issues of "live" and "attenuated" would need to be resolved before any such fire-from-the-hip scheme was trialed. Let's see what emerges. R.

RogerP
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Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830

Gandalf The White
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29 January 2020 11:31:16

#356

I was being a bit sarky about the idea Q. Hence my emos. The issues of "live" and "attenuated" would need to be resolved before any such fire-from-the-hip scheme was trialed. Let's see what emerges. R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons

Indeed. A ‘live’ virus (an odd term as they’re never ‘alive’ outside a host, but it’s the term used) is a live virus and has the potential to infect and multiply.

There’s a reason that vaccines take months to develop and test: it’s called safety and effectiveness.

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Roger Parsons
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29 January 2020 11:43:38

#357

Indeed. A ‘live’ virus (an odd term as they’re never ‘alive’ outside a host, but it’s the term used) is a live virus and has the potential to infect and multiply.

There’s a reason that vaccines take months to develop and test: it’s called safety and effectiveness.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White

Folks unsure on this point could do worse than refer to the story of polio. I recall outbreaks at primary school in the 50s where we were all made to dip our hands in pot permanganate solution after going to the toilet! We all knew about iron lungs. Then the various inoculations came along - oral ones - miraculous-seeming at the time. The story is told here...

https://action.org.uk/blog/history-polio

R

RogerP
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The Beast from the East
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29 January 2020 12:30:05

#358

I think it's possible the virus may have issues spreading by the time summer arrives. High temperatures and UV are known to inactivate corona virus and there is no reason to think nCov is any different.

Ambient temperatures above 33C and preferably 38C with moderate humdity are effective at inactivating the virus quickly (within a a few days).

Originally Posted by: Quantum

If that's the case then India, and other countries in tropical areas don't need to worry

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The Beast from the East
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29 January 2020 12:31:07

#359

Homeopathy can do real harm.

People think homeopathy is just a harmless placebo. It isn't. In order to create homeopathic remedies you have to dilute vials of the actual virus and then drink it. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Originally Posted by: Quantum

Our future King loves homeopathy

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Quantum
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29 January 2020 12:39:22

#360

If that's the case then India, and other countries in tropical areas don't need to worry

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East

It doesn't stop it, person to person transmission is still possible but it becomes harder to contract it from the environment.

Anyway it will be enough to lower the R0 value, and any reduction in that is good.

Will also point out that most of North India is at room temperature and even south India is well below the 38C when inactivation happens on a timescale of hours rather than days.

Story is slightly better in Thailand though which will see temps sometimes get to 40C.

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18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)

DEW
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29 January 2020 13:33:35

#361

Homeopathy can do real harm.

People think homeopathy is just a harmless placebo. It isn't. In order to create homeopathic remedies you have to dilute vials of the actual virus and then drink it. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Originally Posted by: Quantum

The dilution factor is so great (10^30 irecommended by the homeopathy founder) that you would be lucky to find one molecule of the original preparation in the homeopathic cure let alone a chunk of virus. So, harmless.

Much more worrying in respect of India is the much, much weaker central control than is possible in China. If the virus gets loose in India, you can forget about any quarantine measures.

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Quantum
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29 January 2020 13:37:11

#362

The dilution factor is so great (10^30 irecommended by the homeopathy founder) that you would be lucky to find one molecule of the original preparation in the homeopathic cure let alone a chunk of virus. So, harmless.

Much more worrying in respect of India is the much, much weaker central control than is possible in China. If the virus gets loose in India, you can forget about any quarantine measures.

Originally Posted by: DEW

In theory.

But in reality you don't trust idiots trying to dilute a dangerous virus for their vodoo magic.

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Essan
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29 January 2020 13:41:22

#363

Ambient temperatures above 33C and preferably 38C with moderate humdity are effective at inactivating the virus quickly (within a a few days).

Originally Posted by: Quantum

Temperatures like that have exactly the same effect on me. I'd rather have nCov .....

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Maunder Minimum
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29 January 2020 13:54:01

#364

Much more worrying in respect of India is the much, much weaker central control than is possible in China. If the virus gets loose in India, you can forget about any quarantine measures.

Originally Posted by: DEW

That is why I keep monitoring India - lacking central control and having a very weak public health capability, combined with very large population centres with chronic overcrowding - all the conditions for an uncontrolled epidemic exist in India.

New world order coming.

Perthite1
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29 January 2020 13:54:50

#365

Well here in Perth we are predicted to be 38-40c all next week (helpful). I would imagine that it will be a different type of corona virus for those that drink it over here. Personally can't beat a fruity IPA on a scorcher.

Saint Snow
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29 January 2020 13:58:06

#366

Papua New Guinea is partially shutting it's borders now.

Originally Posted by: Quantum

Is that because they don't want their 'long pig' food source tainted?

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Quantum
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29 January 2020 13:59:45

#367

Well here in Perth we are predicted to be 38-40c all next week (helpful). I would imagine that it will be a different type of corona virus for those that drink it over here. Personally can't beat a fruity IPA on a scorcher.

Originally Posted by: Perthite1

Also high UV levels helps.

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Roger Parsons
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29 January 2020 14:01:11

#368

Just a thought - is anyone on here qualified in a school of medicine other than Google and a Scout First Aid badge? There are a number of posts making me think "How do you know that's right?" and there's no link to check on authenticity. By all means share or discuss sourced reliable information - but as the song goes - "It ain't necessarily so." A plea for common sense and caution. R.

RogerP
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Saint Snow
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29 January 2020 14:05:00

#369

Just a thought - is anyone on here qualified in a school of medicine other than Google and a Scout First Aid badge? There are a number of posts making me think "How do you know that's right?" and there's no link to check on authenticity.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons

Can't possibly imagine who you're thinking of!

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Perthite1
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29 January 2020 14:07:36

#370

Just a thought - is anyone on here qualified in a school of medicine other than Google and a Scout First Aid badge? There are a number of posts making me think "How do you know that's right?" and there's no link to check on authenticity. By all means share or discuss sourced reliable information - but as the song goes - "It ain't necessarily so." A plea for common sense and caution. R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons

No idea, just going with the thinking that if the virus is as bad as the beer it's bloody terrible.

four
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29 January 2020 14:36:45

#371

Just a thought - is anyone on here qualified in a school of medicine other than Google and a Scout First Aid badge? There are a number of posts making me think "How do you know that's right?" and there's no link to check on authenticity. By all means share or discuss sourced reliable information - but as the song goes - "It ain't necessarily so." A plea for common sense and caution. R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons

Doctormog I think, he is usually very measured in any comment and won't be diving in here to put anyone right.

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Quantum
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29 January 2020 15:31:12

#372

First sugggestions the quarantines may be working. Note R0 has come down from a very scary 4 to now under 2. If it goes below 1 then the virus will no longer be able to spread indefinately.

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