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Brian Gaze
07 February 2020 14:28:33


 


Then I'm not sure why I'm being mocked for some of my posts.  


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Because you've painted a picture of yourself being locked in a bunker and avoiding social contact with the world. You've thrown in suggestions of 50% mortality rates and disputed the more sober assessments. As I said before I don't know whether you are posting for "the amusement value" (I did in my mid 20s on the Internet but about much less serious topics than this) or you genuinely believe what you are writing and you really are getting yourself panicked up. 

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Saint Snow
07 February 2020 14:29:51


Because you've painted a picture of yourself being locked in a bunker and avoiding social contact with the world. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


To be honest, that's close to how I've always imagined Quantum.


 


 


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Quantum
07 February 2020 14:33:15


 


Because you've painted a picture of yourself being locked in a bunker and avoiding social contact with the world. You've thrown in suggestions of 50% mortality rates and disputed the more sober assessments. As I said before I don't know whether you are posting for "the amusement value" (I did in my mid 20s on the Internet but about much less serious topics than this) or you genuinely believe what you are writing and you really are getting yourself panicked up. 


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Er no. Essentially none of this is accurate.


I am not 'locked in a bunker'. I cancelled all social gatherings which would involve me visiting crowded areas unnecessarily. I still go out, I haven't even stopped running, I've just changed my route.


Pretty much all occasions that I have mentioned the 50% mortality rate was to demonstrate it is just as flawed as the 2% rate and you can use similar logic to get to it. Figures of 50% were in the pre-lit but I have been every bit as skeptical, if not much more so, than I was of the 2% rate. Never once did I consider a mortality rate of 50% to be credible.


 

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Caz
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07 February 2020 14:38:34


My reference to quarantine was on the dozen or so cities in China that are under quarantine. To me that is an indication about just how serious it is.


With regards to singapore I think there is significant evidence that Singapore is at serious risk of an epidemic if it isn't already in one. And like you say the concern is we are weeks behind when it comes to preventative measures.


Originally Posted by: Quantum 

I honestly wonder how many viruses are spread through air conditioning systems.  80% of Singapore’s population live in tower buildings with air con but that’s no different to other highly populated Asian cities.  I suspect the humidity in those countries doesn’t help either.


As I said earlier though, the Singapore authorities are extremely health conscious and actively promote healthy living, which I found pretty impressive.  This in itself would suggest they’d be quick to act and test, therefore uncovering cases that might go undetected in other countries.  We don’t know how serious the detected cases are either and the fact they are only currently on orange alert, suggests they’re in control and hopefully it will stay that way.

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Quantum
07 February 2020 14:39:53


I honestly wonder how many viruses are spread through air conditioning systems.  80% of Singapore’s population live in tower buildings with air con but that’s no different to other highly populated Asian cities.  I suspect the humidity in those countries doesn’t help either.


As I said earlier though, the Singapore authorities are extremely health conscious and actively promote healthy living, which I found pretty impressive.  This in itself would suggest they’d be quick to act and test, therefore uncovering cases that might go undetected in other countries.  We don’t know how serious the detected cases are either and the fact they are only currently on orange alert, suggests they’re in control and hopefully it will stay that way.


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I thought it wasn't airborne and can only be spread by larger droplets because of how large/heavy the virus is?


 

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xioni2
07 February 2020 14:49:04


 I thought it wasn't airborne and can only be spread by larger droplets because of how large/heavy the virus is?


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


That's my understanding too.

Caz
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07 February 2020 14:54:07


 I thought it wasn't airborne and can only be spread by larger droplets because of how large/heavy the virus is?


 

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

I don’t know how it’s spread but I meant viruses in general.  I’ve spent the past fortnight in Asia, where it’s apparently all been happening and have been oblivious to the details and coverage.  I’m only just picking up on how panicked some people in the UK are about it and wonder if this the press over reacting and scaremongering!  


Yes, it’s a virus to be concerned about but influenza is a killer that we don’t hear as much about yet it’s more common.  I don’t want to make light of this but I do think the fear of it can cause more health problems than the virus itself.  There’s a danger of wrapping ourselves in so much cotton wool that we’d suffocate. 

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Brian Gaze
07 February 2020 14:57:01


I don’t know how it’s spread but I meant viruses in general.  I’ve spent the past fortnight in Asia, where it’s apparently all been happening and have been oblivious to the details and coverage.  I’m only just picking up on how panicked some people in the UK are about it and wonder if this the press over reacting and scaremongering!  


Yes, it’s a virus to be concerned about but influenza is a killer that we don’t hear as much about yet it’s more common.  I don’t want to make light of this but I do think the fear of it can cause more health problems than the virus itself.  There’s a danger of wrapping ourselves in so much cotton wool that we’d suffocate. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


 I made a similar point while you were away. There is evidence to suggest that stress and lack of sleep weakens the immune system.

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Gandalf The White
07 February 2020 15:01:30


 


I assume you have challenged the three posts from the other users who were mocking Q as off topic as well. Of course you havent.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Eh?  That’s completely and utterly irrelevant.


Go and have a lie down.

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Quantum
07 February 2020 15:35:44


 


 I made a similar point while you were away. There is evidence to suggest that stress and lack of sleep weakens the immune system.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


The intention is not for people to panic. I kinda feel if people are more prepared they are less likely to panic.


 

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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
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speckledjim
07 February 2020 15:39:01


 


Er no. Essentially none of this is accurate.


I am not 'locked in a bunker'. I cancelled all social gatherings which would involve me visiting crowded areas unnecessarily. I still go out, I haven't even stopped running, I've just changed my route.


Pretty much all occasions that I have mentioned the 50% mortality rate was to demonstrate it is just as flawed as the 2% rate and you can use similar logic to get to it. Figures of 50% were in the pre-lit but I have been every bit as skeptical, if not much more so, than I was of the 2% rate. Never once did I consider a mortality rate of 50% to be credible.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


cancelled all social gatherings???? Talk about overkill. There are only 3 cases in this country. And why on earth would you change your running route? You need to stop reading the daily express and take a huge dose of realism.....

Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Brian Gaze
07 February 2020 15:40:28


 


The intention is not for people to panic. I kinda feel if people are more prepared they are less likely to panic.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Just out of interest do you open the door if someone calls round to your house / flat?  Do you run any checks on them? I can recommend these things:


https://www.flir.co.uk/products/flir-one-pro/


I bought one to check my underfloor heating. However, they can probably be used to scan guests before they enter one's abode.

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Berkhamsted
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Quantum
07 February 2020 15:43:11

Vietnam women contracts Coronovirus but is completely asymptomatic.


https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/13th-patient-confirmed-ncov-positive-in-vietnam-4052006.html


Silent spreaders?


 

2024/2025 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 3 days with snow/sleet falling
18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6), 23/11 (-2)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Roger Parsons
07 February 2020 15:44:37


Just out of interest do you open the door if someone calls round to your house / flat?  Do you run any checks on them? I can recommend these things:


https://www.flir.co.uk/products/flir-one-pro/


I bought one to check my underfloor heating. However, they can probably be used to scan guests before they enter one's abode.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


I love it, Brian! Endless possibilities... Could be used to detect "Silent spreaders"! What a frightful expression.


R.

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Devonian
07 February 2020 15:51:30

45 pages and I haven't made a single post to this thread.


Do I know what is going on wrt this novel corona virus? Nope.

xioni2
07 February 2020 16:01:20


 Just out of interest do you open the door if someone calls round to your house / flat?  Do you run any checks on them? I can recommend these things:


https://www.flir.co.uk/products/flir-one-pro/


I bought one to check my underfloor heating. However, they can probably be used to scan guests before they enter one's abode.


Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


In the US this has been adapted to include a small pistol for dual use: instant diagnosis and cure.

Caz
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07 February 2020 16:02:18


45 pages and I haven't made a single post to this thread.


Do I know what is going on wrt this novel corona virus? Nope.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 

Ahhh!  So it isn’t just those of us who’ve been visiting Asia for the past few weeks!  

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Bugglesgate
07 February 2020 16:04:18


Vietnam women contracts Coronovirus but is completely asymptomatic.


https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/13th-patient-confirmed-ncov-positive-in-vietnam-4052006.html


Silent spreaders?


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


...... or maybe Millions have got it already and only a handful  have shown any symptoms, let alone  die from it -  rendering the death rate from it 0.01 % ?


 


 

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Saint Snow
07 February 2020 16:05:54


 


cancelled all social gatherings???? Talk about overkill. There are only 3 cases in this country. And why on earth would you change your running route? You need to stop reading the daily express and take a huge dose of realism.....


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


 


To avoid going within half a mile of Wong's Chinese Take-Away


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speckledjim
07 February 2020 16:06:54


45 pages and I haven't made a single post to this thread.


Do I know what is going on wrt this novel corona virus? Nope.


Originally Posted by: Devonian 


if you’re wanting up to date info you can’t go wrong with https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-07-20-intl-hnk/index.html.


This is just a forum where people have a natter about it, definitely no experts to advise you.

Thorner, West Yorkshire


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Caz
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07 February 2020 16:10:17


...... or maybe Millions have got it already and only a handful  have shown any symptoms, let alone  die from it -  rendering the death rate from it 0.01 % ?


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

  Exactly the point I was making about the cases in Singapore.  Unless you get tested for it, you won’t know you have it, so we have no idea how many people do actually have it, let alone died from it. 

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Brian Gaze
07 February 2020 16:10:24


 


 


To avoid going within half a mile of Wong's Chinese Take-Away


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Brian Gaze
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Bugglesgate
07 February 2020 16:10:47


 


 


To avoid going within half a mile of Wong's Chinese Take-Away


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Are there still "Chinese laundry's" ?


..... I think we should be told, they could be a vector  for spreading the virus (if they exist).


 



 

Chris (It,its)
Between Newbury and Basingstoke
"When they are giving you their all, some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy banging your heart against some mad buggers wall"
Quantum
07 February 2020 16:35:09


 


...... or maybe Millions have got it already and only a handful  have shown any symptoms, let alone  die from it -  rendering the death rate from it 0.01 % ?


 


 


Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 


No because in that case it would be so infectious that people even with casual contact who were tested would come back positive rather than negitive. There are likely to be mild cases that we have not picked up on, but not to that degree.


 

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18/11 (-6), 19/11 (-6), 23/11 (-2)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)
2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.
18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)
2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp): Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
The Beast from the East
07 February 2020 16:50:28


Revenge of the pangolin?


"China scientists identify pangolin as possible coronavirus host


The deadly coronavirus outbreak in China could have spread from bats to humans through the illegal traffic of pangolins, the world's only scaly mammals, which are prized in Asia for food and medicine, Chinese researchers said.


The pangolin is one of Asia's most trafficked mammals, although protected by international law, because its meat is considered a delicacy in countries such as China and its scales are used in traditional medicine, the World Wildlife Fund says."


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


As I mentioned before, if you don't treat animals with respect, nature takes its revenge. Why do American farmers have to wash their chickens in chlorine? 

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