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Quantum
08 February 2020 13:06:45

OK so it's airborne. Transmission through aerosols is possible.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
doctormog
08 February 2020 13:17:32


OK so it's airborne. Transmission through aerosols is possible.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Surely unsurprising for a coronavirus (e.g. the common cold)?


Gandalf The White
08 February 2020 17:09:51


 


Looks like vindication for Quantum.


Clearly, Singapore has become a notably infected region.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Notably?


No


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Darren S
08 February 2020 17:27:29


In terms of independent sources of infection from Singapore we have:



  • British case

  • France case


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


These are the same, if you are talking about the family in the ski chalet. The person from Brighton had travelled to France shortly after getting back from Singapore, and had infected them. Also a student acquaintance of the Brit who went to Singapore was told to self-isolate.


So the only British people known to be infected are that one business traveller from Singapore, his acquaitances since, and one guest on the Diamond Princess who is symptom-free.


Darren
Crowthorne, Berks (87m asl)
South Berks Winter Snow Depth Totals:
2023/24 0 cm; 2022/23 7 cm; 2021/22 1 cm; 2020/21 13 cm; 2019/20 0 cm; 2018/19 14 cm; 2017/18 23 cm; 2016/17 0 cm; 2015/16 0.5 cm; 2014/15 3.5 cm; 2013/14 0 cm; 2012/13 22 cm; 2011/12 7 cm; 2010/11 6 cm; 2009/10 51 cm
Gandalf The White
08 February 2020 17:39:10

Latest from Singapore

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-7-new-confirmed-cases-in-spore-possible-new-cluster-involving-church-in-paya

Note:
1. It is not remotely ‘out of control’ in Singapore 
2. Quoted death rate outside Hubei province is 0.2%


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Devonian
08 February 2020 18:01:42


 


Surely unsurprising for a coronavirus (e.g. the common cold)?


Originally Posted by: doctormog 


I think I heard someone (BBC Today I think) say you need to be close to an infected individual and need to breath in droplets with virus particles? I don't think it can transmit via surfaces or aerosols or, say, across a crowded room?


But much is still unclear? And to be to absolutely sure either way is unwise? Hence all the talk and speculation...

xioni2
08 February 2020 18:10:23


 Looks like vindication for Quantum.


Clearly, Singapore has become a notably infected region.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Is there something that makes Brexiters make statements without much evidence?

xioni2
08 February 2020 18:15:39

Singapore could of course upgrade its alert to red (indicating an out of control situation), but this hasn't happened yet.


Maunder Minimum
08 February 2020 19:15:36
Weeks ago, all but essential travel to SE Asia should have been avoided with government recommendations to that effect. Weeks ago, all Far East cruises should have been suspended by the WHO.
 
Singapore and Malaysia are now clearly epicentres for the virus and the situation can only get worse.
New world order coming.
Heavy Weather 2013
08 February 2020 19:25:11


Weeks ago, all but essential travel to SE Asia should have been avoided with government recommendations to that effect. Weeks ago, all Far East cruises should have been suspended by the WHO.
 
Singapore and Malaysia are now clearly epicentres for the virus and the situation can only get worse.

Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Agreed. The government are not being helpful either with their self isolate nonsense.


 


Mark
Beckton, E London
Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.
Maunder Minimum
08 February 2020 20:20:45




A study published Friday in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) found that 41% of the first 138 patients diagnosed at one hospital in Wuhan, China, were presumed to be infected in that hospital.


This is big news. In plain English, it means that nearly half of the initial infections in this hospital appear to have been spread within the hospital itself. This is called nosocomial transmission. (Doctors use big words to hide bad things: Nosocomial means caught it in the hospital.)


What's more, most spread doesn't appear to have been the result of a so-called "super-spreader event," in which a single patient transmits infection to many other people. In these — where a doctor inserts a tube into the patient's lungs — can result in many infections.


This would be a concern, but not nearly as much as what appears to have happened: Many health care workers and many patients got infected in many parts of the hospital. What's more, since there's a broad spectrum of infection and only patients who were sick were tested, it's quite likely that there was even more transmission in the hospital.


So, like SARS and MERS — other coronaviruses — before it, the Wuhan coronavirus is spreading in hospitals.



New world order coming.
Maunder Minimum
08 February 2020 20:29:03

Conspiracy theory from The Times:


"Notice that in Hubei region death rate is around 50 percent Everywhere else about 2 percent. It confirms the theory that we are dealing with two viruses. One is likely a potent bioweapon. Another was released to create a smokescreen. The second is bad but please don't let the first in as it has potential to depopulate the country."


 


New world order coming.
Ulric
08 February 2020 21:38:26
Don't say stuff like that. Q will wet himself.
To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Henri Poincaré
xioni2
09 February 2020 00:45:37

I have to say that by now I was expecting a higher number of infections and deaths outside of China, but the numbers are still very low. This could still change quickly though in the next few weeks.

Gandalf The White
09 February 2020 00:51:39


Conspiracy theory from The Times:


"Notice that in Hubei region death rate is around 50 percent Everywhere else about 2 percent. It confirms the theory that we are dealing with two viruses. One is likely a potent bioweapon. Another was released to create a smokescreen. The second is bad but please don't let the first in as it has potential to depopulate the country."


 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Conspiracy nonsense unworthy of the Times.


The death rate is nowhere near those figures.


Honestly, this is poor journalism; the last thing we need is to scare people unnecessarily. After all, we have Quantum, you and a few other misguided souls in here doing that already.


 


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Gandalf The White
09 February 2020 00:53:02


 


Agreed. The government are not being helpful either with their self isolate nonsense.


 


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Absolute rubbish; ‘weeks ago’ there was insufficient evidence to warrant such actions.


Hindsight is not useful.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


bowser
09 February 2020 07:27:57


 


Conspiracy nonsense unworthy of the Times.


The death rate is nowhere near those figures.


Honestly, this is poor journalism; the last thing we need is to scare people unnecessarily. After all, we have Quantum, you and a few other misguided souls in here doing that already.


 


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


do we know the real death rate?

Roger Parsons
09 February 2020 08:05:11

Conspiracy nonsense unworthy of the Times. The death rate is nowhere near those figures.


Honestly, this is poor journalism; the last thing we need is to scare people unnecessarily. After all, we have Quantum, you and a few other misguided souls in here doing that already.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

WHO agrees with you, Gandalf. Coronavirus: WHO chief warns against 'trolls and conspiracy theories'


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51429400


Roger


Addition: Coronavirus deaths exceed Sars fatalities in 2003 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51431087


 


 


 


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Caz
  • Caz
  • Advanced Member
09 February 2020 08:32:31


WHO agrees with you, Gandalf. Coronavirus: WHO chief warns against 'trolls and conspiracy theories'


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51429400


Roger


Addition: Coronavirus deaths exceed Sars fatalities in 2003 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51431087 


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

  There are those who want sensationalism and those with common sense!  


Gandalf and I have both experienced the real world and I am shocked but not surprised by the stories that are being fabricated.  Sadly, some would rather believe the media hype than the facts. 


 


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speckledjim
09 February 2020 08:40:56


 


do we know the real death rate?


Originally Posted by: bowser 


 


We do, outside of China....


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Gandalf The White
09 February 2020 08:46:42


  There are those who want sensationalism and those with common sense!  


Gandalf and I have both experienced the real world and I am shocked but not surprised by the stories that are being fabricated.  Sadly, some would rather believe the media hype than the facts. 


 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


Currently we've taken Quantum's advice and barricaded the hotel bedroom door and having room service leave the meals outside the door. Once it's safe we open the door and take the food in. Also unplugged the internet connection: you never know with these viruses....


(only joking... nothing new to report here. Life goes on apart from a few outbreaks of panic buying in a few supermarkets)


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four
  • four
  • Advanced Member
09 February 2020 08:55:13


  There are those who want sensationalism and those with common sense!  


Gandalf and I have both experienced the real world and I am shocked but not surprised by the stories that are being fabricated.  Sadly, some would rather believe the media hype than the facts. 


 


Originally Posted by: Caz 



With respect you haven't seen much of the real world from a cruise, and will have heard less of what's going on in China than we have.
It would surprise me if the lab base in Wuhan and specialising in tinkering with this exact form of virus isn't somehow implicated, we shall never know.

It's a mystery why WHO still seeks to downplay an event which is already far worse than SARs even by official figures which almost everyone accepts are far less than reality.


 


Gandalf The White
09 February 2020 09:00:47


 


do we know the real death rate?


Originally Posted by: bowser 


This seems to be a reliable site which is updated regularly.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/


Wuhan 4.9%


Hubei province 3.1%


Other provinces 0.16%


China 2.1%


 


WHO current estimate is 2% but very tentative. In comparison SARS was close to 10%; the Spanish flu a century ago was around 2.5%.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Roger Parsons
09 February 2020 09:07:03


  There are those who want sensationalism and those with common sense!  


Gandalf and I have both experienced the real world and I am shocked but not surprised by the stories that are being fabricated.  Sadly, some would rather believe the media hype than the facts. 


Originally Posted by: Caz 


I've stopped commenting here much, Caz. I like to see folks trying to grasp a science issue. However, as Terry Pratchett put it: "...if you fling a thousand darts at the board, some of them will hit the bull." He goes on to say: "...the people using the computers were not in fact shiny, new people, but the same dumb old human beings that there have always been. They did not - much - want to use the technology to get educated. They wanted to look at porn, play games and chat."


R


RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
The Beast from the East
09 February 2020 09:19:12

Woke up this morning with a sore throat. I know what comes next, always starts in the throat for some reason. Must have got it off some arsehole in the pub


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President

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