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sunny coast
07 February 2020 10:57:09

[quote=Ally Pally Snowman;1176627]


ECM really ramping up the Sunday storm can't ever remember such a huge area of the UK having such damaging gusts. North Wales has the peak at a 106 mph . Many other areas have 70 to 85 mph crazy.


 


[/quote25 Jan 1990 for example ]

NMA
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07 February 2020 11:24:28


Hello, is this the fence site?

My fence on one side has completely disintegrated over the winter. Some panels are now just piles of thin planking. The neighbour is being picky about replacement costs cos we want a hit'n'miss fence to stop it getting blown over and the builders we had to do our extension have now disappeared for the winter :-@

One tip they did give was when they redo a fence they stick new posts in half way between the old posts - saves digging out the old concrete, though I guess you have to chop a panel or two if you do panels.


Originally Posted by: noodle doodle 


It seems to be. 


Spur posts are what you need to think about, set in a good anchor of concrete.


Plenty like this and you can get them cheaper no doubt than BQ.


https://www.diy.com/departments/grange-concrete-repair-spur-h-1m-w-75mm/152110_BQ.prd


Digging the old concrete out and disposing of it is a pain though. A decent sledgehammer and crowbar/ironbar helps.


Cheaper and more important less disruptive than new fence posts


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Ally Pally Snowman
07 February 2020 12:26:05


[quote=Ally Pally Snowman;1176627]


ECM really ramping up the Sunday storm can't ever remember such a huge area of the UK having such damaging gusts. North Wales has the peak at a 106 mph . Many other areas have 70 to 85 mph crazy.


 


[/quote25 Jan 1990 for example ]


Originally Posted by: sunny coast 


 


Could be the most significant storm since then as with the Burn's Day storm of 90, its also happening in the daytime.  If the predicted wind speeds happen I'm pretty sure it will be upgraded to Red by the met office. 


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
picturesareme
07 February 2020 13:09:52


 


 


Strange that it's only the SE, when other places (per GFS at any rate) have stronger mean and gust speeds, for longer. I'm thinking N then S  Wales, parts of NW England & SW Scotland.


I say strange...  


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


The English channel has a thing for funneling wind energy, and the solent channel even more so. I suspect the strongest gust in to be just east of the IOW in a SWW gale.

Surrey John
07 February 2020 13:11:12


 


 


Strange that it's only the SE, when other places (per GFS at any rate) have stronger mean and gust speeds, for longer. I'm thinking N then S  Wales, parts of NW England & SW Scotland.


I say strange...  


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


Maybe because the West is used to (not that uncommon) gusts of 70mph+ so things are better bolted down there, and less likely to be damaged


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Phil G
07 February 2020 13:24:11


 


The English channel has a thing for funneling wind energy, and the solent channel even more so. I suspect the strongest gust in to be just east of the IOW in a SWW gale.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


That area you mention seems to be prone to more activity, maybe because of the topography in the area. There are quite a few tornadoes that form in the Selsey area.

Rob K
07 February 2020 13:26:33


 


That area you mention seems to be prone to more activity, maybe because of the topography in the area. There are quite a few tornadoes that form in the Selsey area.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


Yes, didn't Patrick Moore's observatory get flattened by one a few years back?


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bledur
07 February 2020 14:09:04


 


The English channel has a thing for funneling wind energy, and the solent channel even more so. I suspect the strongest gust in to be just east of the IOW in a SWW gale.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

I reckon we will see gusts over 100 mph at Battery point on the Isle of Wight.

Hungry Tiger
07 February 2020 14:21:22

I wonder if this is a January 1990 scenario.


 


 


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Saint Snow
07 February 2020 14:31:21

I reckon the strongest wind speed/gust will be recorded on Angelsey



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eddied
07 February 2020 17:09:30

The tracking of Ciara does seem to be slightly further north on the latest Arpege runs. Earlier runs had it just clipping the north Irish coast, now it's staying up more level with Lewis. Has only had a marginal effect on the winds in the south though, albeit in the right direction, and the timing for the peak winds also seems to be fairly consistent too. 3-4pm seems the worst of it down here on Arpege, MetO puts the peak slightly earlier.

The adjustment north has if anything slightly emphasised a second band across the country further north though. Looks like anywhere from the northern half of Wales across to the Wash, and all the way up to the Borders is getting singled out for the worst of it at the moment. I'm presuming (hoping) that the warning further south is primary due to the coastal exposure to the more southerly component of the gale on the Sunday afternoon, and that the ranges of hills between us and the sea will knock the edge of it! The location of the amber warning blob would suggest that.


Given that, I would expect a second amber warning to appear further north soon.


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idj20
07 February 2020 17:10:52


I reckon the strongest wind speed/gust will be recorded on Angelsey


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



or/and The Needles at the Isle of Wight.


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RobN
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07 February 2020 18:52:33


 


Yes, didn't Patrick Moore's observatory get flattened by one a few years back?


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


A "few years" indeed - Jan 1998. See the Beeb report on that tornado here. There was another much more serious one in Selsey in 1986.


Rob
In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.
picturesareme
07 February 2020 19:09:34


 


That area you mention seems to be prone to more activity, maybe because of the topography in the area. There are quite a few tornadoes that form in the Selsey area.


Originally Posted by: Phil G 


The solent region is a natural basin 'U' shaped with the hills of the south IOW and the south downs on the mainland.

nsrobins
07 February 2020 19:10:18
The area around here is known as ‘Solent Alley’ and I’ve investigated several weak tornadoes over the years. The coastline east of the IOW is particularly vulnarable.
Neil
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picturesareme
07 February 2020 19:11:20


I reckon we will see gusts over 100 mph at Battery point on the Isle of Wight.


Originally Posted by: bledur 


Possibly or at Thorney... nationally who knows.

roadrunnerajn
07 February 2020 19:14:45
We’ll probably have the usual 60-70mph gusts and I’ll probably be using my screen wash well inland to wash the sea spray off the windscreen.
Swell is expected to be around the 20ft mark in the bays. Interesting storm surge expected with the spring tides.
Germoe, part of the breakaway Celtic Republic.
bledur
07 February 2020 19:16:02


 


 


Strange that it's only the SE, when other places (per GFS at any rate) have stronger mean and gust speeds, for longer. I'm thinking N then S  Wales, parts of NW England & SW Scotland.


I say strange...  


 


 


Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

But the strong winds are going to hit the S.E ,the important bit of the country. Strong winds up North merely mean a few flat caps and Black Pudding blowing away

Ally Pally Snowman
07 February 2020 19:29:38

ECM once again 70 to 80 mph over most of England and Wales.  The current Amber zone is just bollox and should be expanded to most of England and Wales tomorrow,.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
sunny coast
07 February 2020 19:34:16


 


The English channel has a thing for funneling wind energy, and the solent channel even more so. I suspect the strongest gust in to be just east of the IOW in a SWW gale.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

.     The Needles on the western tip also often  records some of the highest gusts 

nsrobins
07 February 2020 19:41:59
I see several people on the other side are head wobbling over the ‘limited’ area of the current Amber warning for Sunday.
These warnings will be updated and extended tomorrow as the data is reviewed and analysed. The publication of the current Amber is based on certainty in advance of the event and not on ‘regional bias’ or any of the other silly reasons being spouted.
Neil
Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)
Stormchaser, Member TORRO
Bugglesgate
07 February 2020 19:49:55


I wonder if this is a January 1990 scenario.


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


The current amber warning fits the 1987 event more.  I was at Kingston Poly at the time and it was a real challenge getting home.


The Burns Day event  hit a bit further north and clobbered us here - we lost a lot of the roof of our old farm house  and the power was off for nearly a week (unheard of since in this area).


 


 


 


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Saint Snow
07 February 2020 21:42:35


But the strong winds are going to hit the S.E ,the important bit of the country. Strong winds up North merely mean a few flat caps and Black Pudding blowing away


Originally Posted by: bledur 


 


But will nobody think of the whippets?



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The Beast from the East
07 February 2020 21:48:01

I am deeply depressed about this as I know my house is old and in disrepair  there will be damage. The plastic panels on the garage are 30 years old and already weak. I would expect some to come off. But I guess that means getting it repaired and insurance will cover it, but it’s just the hassle of it all, and hoping it doesn’t rain too much before its repaired 


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Heavy Weather 2013
07 February 2020 21:56:30
Looking at the latest GFS there appears to be no let up in forecast wind gusts. This looks like a 6-9hr event. With the worst winds forecast 12:00-18:00.

Gusts widely from 70-90mph. In Stratford there are a lot of tall buildings. Even on a windy day the wind is often strong due to tunnelling. Around the City of London and Canary Whalf there could be a fair bit of damage this weekend. Most of those builds have gone up in the last 10-15 years.

I feel a significant noteworthy event this weekend. Time to batten down the hatches.

I suspect the two premier league matches and other sporting events to be cancelled. Does anyone have the latest ECM data
Mark
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Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

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