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picturesareme
08 February 2020 13:37:14




That.

While it does look grim for us hardened weather-beaten south coasters, like you say it actually isn't that totally unusual. The main issue is how the expansive and long lasting wind field may come a shock to those living at inland low laying areas not conditioned to regular strong winds (eg, the Midlands, London, etc). 

At my end, I'm really hoping the wind may just have enough of a SW component for my location to be relatively sheltered by the nearby built up hilly alcove, like what happened with Brendan when it was nothing more than a bit of a breeze in my back yard while the other end of the town copped it. 


Originally Posted by: idj20 


Yes those nice leafy suburbs of interior Hampshire, Sussex,  Berkshire, and Surrey might be at risk of losing a few trees.

Gusty
08 February 2020 13:40:23


 I remember the storm on 30 October 2000. I call it the millennium storm. It was probably the first time I had seen widespread wind damage in London at least. I was too young in 1987.


That event had the strongest winds as the front pushed through around 7am. I haven’t seen anything like it since. Trees were almost horizontal and I suspect that was when most of the damage occurred.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


Same here. The front moved through here at around 8 am with gusts of 80-85mph, horizontal rain and a flash of lightning. This followed a 14 hour period of gusts of 70mph.


A unforgettable experience.


A similar set up is emerging for tomorrow.


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Bugglesgate
08 February 2020 13:44:04


 


Yes those nice leafy suburbs of interior Hampshire, Sussex,  Berkshire, and Surrey might be at risk of losing a few trees.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Just as well that aren't any leaves around - unlike 1987 !


The timing is a mixed blessing - good it's Sunday (quiet)  bad it's during the day (not as quiet as it might be).  People  generally only get killed when they are out in it.


 


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Retron
08 February 2020 14:05:40


 Same here. The front moved through here at around 8 am with gusts of 80-85mph, horizontal rain and a flash of lightning. This followed a 14 hour period of gusts of 70mph.


A unforgettable experience.


A similar set up is emerging for tomorrow.


Originally Posted by: Gusty 


Indeed, the local figures here showed mean winds of 45mph and gusts around 75mph - a couple of mph higher than what GFS is showing for tomorrow. I'm hoping that the Met Office is right instead (mean 42, high 62). It's not the mean I mind as much as those gusts...


Incidentally I've a saved forecast from the Met Office site in March 2008, when a red warning* was issued for wind across the SE. It had a mean of 52 and gusts to 77 over Manston at 9 AM on the 10th, but in the event the actual winds were a fair bit lower (42 and 63, respectively). Forecasting has come on a fair bit since then, though!


(* - they weren't called that, but areas of the map were still coloured red as a warning!)


Leysdown, north Kent
Hungry Tiger
08 February 2020 14:23:22

I wonder if tomorrow will be a case of "cry wolf". From the forecasts I've seen I'm expecting a January 2007 gale or October 2002 one.


 


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Bertwhistle
08 February 2020 15:04:47


I remember in Jan 1990 Francis Wilson pointing out that it's the acceleration during the gusts that does the most damage, and remembered my O level physics formula list: f=ma.


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Just looked back at my diaries; far more trees came down in Jan 1990 storm than Oct 1987 in this area, despite there being no leaves; yet sustained winds and max gusts were higher in 1987. Must be due to the way those gusts develop. Interesting area to look at. Left RMS some years ago so no idea if any papers were submitted in Weather or QJRMS etc. relating to the particular energy dynamics of storm gusts. Do remember that it was the passing of the CF that brought the howlers in 1990- as I think this one will do?


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Bertwhistle
08 February 2020 15:07:01


 


Yes those nice leafy suburbs of interior Hampshire, Sussex,  Berkshire, and Surrey might be at risk of losing a few trees.


Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


At least you'll have some degree of shelter from the IOW; wouldn't want to be hanging around the Alum Bay leisure park or chairlift tomorrow!


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scillydave
08 February 2020 15:13:36

FWIW, the Euro4 (a close relative of the UKV used for the Met Office shortrange forecasts) hints at the cold front bringing the strongest winds inland:

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/euro4.php?ech=25&mode=11&map=10

You can see it tracking SE'wards across the Midlands and central southern England around 3 PM - it loses some of its strength as it moves towards the far SE, but in doing so it just prolongs the strong winds for the likes of Kent, Essex and Sussex.

The strongest winds from that are a patch of 140km/h gusts around the Welsh borders, or 87 mph. IF that gust front forms as shown it's going to create chaotic scenes!

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 


Scarily that's right over my house and is showing peak wind gusts of between 85 and 93mph! That would do an awful lot of damage! Especially given that we are in a fairly exposed hilltop location. 


 


 


 


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Phil G
08 February 2020 15:16:24

Be good if someone could provide some webcam links of coasts likely to look spectacular if they know of any. Could go in the webcams of the world thread perhaps.

Hungry Tiger
08 February 2020 15:17:23


 


Just looked back at my diaries; far more trees came down in Jan 1990 storm than Oct 1987 in this area, despite there being no leaves; yet sustained winds and max gusts were higher in 1987. Must be due to the way those gusts develop. Interesting area to look at. Left RMS some years ago so no idea if any papers were submitted in Weather or QJRMS etc. relating to the particular energy dynamics of storm gusts. Do remember that it was the passing of the CF that brought the howlers in 1990- as I think this one will do?


Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


Think of the big gale in January 1976. 2nd January 1976. That was an incredible gale.


 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gale_of_January_1976


 


 


 


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Bugglesgate
08 February 2020 15:29:43


Think of the big gale in January 1976. 2nd January 1976. That was an incredible gale.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gale_of_January_1976


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 


I don't remember that one  - but I do remember what happened later that year !


 


 


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johncs2016
08 February 2020 16:09:30
I'm not sure how bad the weather was forecast to get up in the NE of Scotland, especially in the city of Aberdeen and the adjacent Aberdeenshire Council area. However, one event which began during this afternoon in Aberdeenshire has already been severely hampered by the weather.

That is Peterhead's home match against Forfar Athletic in the Scottish League One which was abandoned at half time due to high winds (luckily for both teams, the score was 0-0 at the time), and that just shows how bad the weather is already getting here in Scotland as it has also become very windy here in Edinburgh with the wind at Edinburgh Gogarbank already gusting up to 44.7mph from the SSW as at 4pm this afternoon.

The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Polar Low
08 February 2020 16:35:19

Don’t get on a boat or ferry around the Thames shipping area


GALE WARNING


Issued: 16:05 (UTC) on Sat 8 Feb 2020

Southwesterly gale force 8 expected soon, increasing violent storm force 11 later


 


 

Ally Pally Snowman
08 February 2020 16:39:59

the 12z Arpege is brutal this afternoon probably some red warnings if its on the money.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
bradall
08 February 2020 16:56:06

Beat of a Storm when I was 9 years old Feb 16th 1962, hope its not as bad


https://www.chrishobbs.com/sheffieldgale1962.htm


Bradall
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Heavy Weather 2013
08 February 2020 17:00:38


the 12z Arpege is brutal this afternoon probably some red warnings if its on the money.


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


120kph-130kph widely now. That’s 80mph. I wonder if the METO will issue some red warnings this evening.


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Beckton, E London
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dagspot
08 February 2020 17:09:28

first batch of gales getting going West of Scotland. Gusty, wet n wild


Neilston 600ft ASL
Retron
08 February 2020 17:12:38


120kph-130kph widely now. That’s 80mph. I wonder if the METO will issue some red warnings this evening.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


I doubt it, unless the majority of models swing behind ARPEGE. At the moment, it's somewhat of an outlier.


Down here in my part of north Kent, for example, we have the following gusts:


HARMONIE - 81mph


ARPEGE - 76mph


AROME (high-res model, related to ARPEGE) - 73mph


GFS - 69mph


ICON - 68mph


Euro4 (6z) - 68mph


Met Office - 63mph


BBC - 63mph


GFS has been going down today, the BBC and Met Office have gone up slightly.


I would expect gusts generally in the 65-70mph range here as a result. I think (and certainly hope!) ARPEGE and its close cousin AROME have gone off on one.


Leysdown, north Kent
Bertwhistle
08 February 2020 17:42:33


 


Think of the big gale in January 1976. 2nd January 1976. That was an incredible gale.


 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gale_of_January_1976


 


 


 


Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


Yep- and the quoted wind speeds were gusts; helpful if the wiki poster could clarify that- but even so, well above what's forecast tomorrow.


Interesting parallel- the reference to the cold air providing the contrast and the word 'explosive'; we have quite a persistent cold/warm W Atlantic set-up. But there is also a reference in that article to persistent low in the Barents prior to this. Is that something we've had this year, HT, or something similar?


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Retron
08 February 2020 17:48:08

The 12z Euro4 has a general downgrade in speeds. Not so much IMBY, but more generally.


Click for full-size - these are max gust charts from the 6z and 12 runs.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Stormchaser
08 February 2020 18:08:34
Models look to be struggling to resolve some possible line convection which may boost the gusts in a few areas.

I’m anticipating some localised unusually large damage (but not necessarily tornado-level!) if such features materialise.
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JACKO4EVER
08 February 2020 18:29:32
That cold front looks problematic tomorrow
Ally Pally Snowman
08 February 2020 18:36:37

ECM 12z ramps it up a little bit more 70 to 80+ mph slightly earlier as well


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
nsrobins
08 February 2020 18:58:21


 


120kph-130kph widely now. That’s 80mph. I wonder if the METO will issue some red warnings this evening.


Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 


One does wonder 😀


Red warnings are rare as we know. Using current data I’d think not for this one but given we are at the highest Amber on the matrix only a small uptick will trigger a red. I wouldn’t be surprised to see one issued early tomorrow morning.


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The Beast from the East
08 February 2020 20:33:22


ECM 12z ramps it up a little bit more 70 to 80+ mph slightly earlier as well


 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



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