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xioni2
18 February 2020 09:05:13

Weekly flusurvey done.

four
  • four
  • Advanced Member
18 February 2020 10:49:23


 


Yes, odd isn’t it.


Something about ignoring or misinterpreting the evidence perhaps?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Yes but not in the way you mean - in both topics.
And others.


Devonian
18 February 2020 11:07:16



Yes but not in the way you mean - in both topics.
And others.


Originally Posted by: four 


Miraculously I seem to be one of the very few survivors of this virus as I'm still well

Gandalf The White
18 February 2020 11:08:43



Yes but not in the way you mean - in both topics.
And others.


Originally Posted by: four 


LOL. Given your obvious predilection for conspiracies and weakly or unsupported predictions, both here and on other matters, I think we can all safely disregard your contributions.


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Northern Sky
18 February 2020 11:28:24



If you do not yet contribute to the survey - why not sign up before you do another post - words are cheap, data is useful.
https://flusurvey.net/



Roger


Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 


Done it Roger 

Maunder Minimum
18 February 2020 11:42:02

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-china-diamond-princess-cruise/


"The British man David Abel, 74, from Oxfordshire, who has been trapped on the Diamond Princess cruise ship with his wife, Sally, has revealed that they have both tested positive for coronavirus. 


Mr Abel has previously criticised the Government for not doing more to help Britons trapped on the quarantined ship off the coast of Japan. 


The Government is "working to organise" a flight to repatriate British nationals on board, the FCO has said. Other countries have already repatriated citizens. 


"Given the conditions on board, we are working to organise a flight back to the UK for British nationals on the Diamond Princess as soon as possible," a statement from the department said."


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Diamond Princess has proved that cruise ships are the best possible environment for spreading the virus.


I repeat - it was madness for the WHO not to have requested that all cruises in the region should have been suspended at an early stage to help contain the virus.


New world order coming.
speckledjim
18 February 2020 12:50:19


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-uk-china-diamond-princess-cruise/


"The British man David Abel, 74, from Oxfordshire, who has been trapped on the Diamond Princess cruise ship with his wife, Sally, has revealed that they have both tested positive for coronavirus. 


Mr Abel has previously criticised the Government for not doing more to help Britons trapped on the quarantined ship off the coast of Japan. 


The Government is "working to organise" a flight to repatriate British nationals on board, the FCO has said. Other countries have already repatriated citizens. 


"Given the conditions on board, we are working to organise a flight back to the UK for British nationals on the Diamond Princess as soon as possible," a statement from the department said."


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Diamond Princess has proved that cruise ships are the best possible environment for spreading the virus.


I repeat - it was madness for the WHO not to have requested that all cruises in the region should have been suspended at an early stage to help contain the virus.


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Theres 544 cases now so I’m sure a valuable lesson has been learned for any future outbreaks. 


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
Quantum
18 February 2020 12:54:17

Singapore does seem to have the outbreak under control now. Japan, on the other hand, appears to be rapidaly losing control. I suppose this can be credited to the efficient Singaporian healthcare system.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
speckledjim
18 February 2020 13:01:13


Singapore does seem to have the outbreak under control now. Japan, on the other hand, appears to be rapidaly losing control. I suppose this can be credited to the efficient Singaporian healthcare system.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


singapore does still though have more cases than Japan - 75 v 62.  Not sure though what the recovery rate is though in each country.


Thorner, West Yorkshire


Journalism is organised gossip
The Beast from the East
18 February 2020 13:03:07


Japan, on the other hand, appears to be rapidaly losing control. 


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Evidence?


"We have some alternative facts for you"
Kelly-Ann Conway - special adviser to the President
bowser
18 February 2020 13:04:25


 


Yes, odd isn’t it.


Something about ignoring or misinterpreting the evidence perhaps?


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


Or hypothecating on partial or inconclusive evidence...

Quantum
18 February 2020 13:19:44


 


singapore does still though have more cases than Japan - 75 v 62.  Not sure though what the recovery rate is though in each country.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Singapore does seem to have a very robust way of tracking the transmission chains though. It's still a problem but I've become relatively less worried about singapore and relatively more worried about Japan.


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Quantum
18 February 2020 13:21:33


 


Evidence?


Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


Japan has cases popping up with no links at all to known transmission chains. This is quite worrying because it suggests that local transmission is not only happening (like singapore) but is happening in an uncontrolled way. Everytime there is a new case in singapore we know exactly what transmission chain the case belongs to and how it links to other cases. In Japan we don't seem to have this.


 


2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Joe Bloggs
18 February 2020 13:37:39


Singapore does seem to have the outbreak under control now. Japan, on the other hand, appears to be rapidaly losing control. I suppose this can be credited to the efficient Singaporian healthcare system.


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


It was never out of control in Singapore. 



Manchester City Centre, 31m ASL

Gandalf The White
18 February 2020 13:38:00


 


Or hypothecating on partial or inconclusive evidence...


Originally Posted by: bowser 


Of which almost everyone appears guilty.


But the key point remains entirely valid: extrapolating based on cherry-picked data built on a lack of real understanding leads to absurd predictions and comments.


"it's out of control in Singapore" - demonstrably wrong when the comment was made and clearly wrong now.


"A global pandemic is inevitable" - so far not


"China is underreporting the numbers" - absolutely no evidence


Plus ridiculously pessimistic guesses on the mortality rate.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
18 February 2020 13:39:13


 


It was never out of control in Singapore. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Yes, as some of us have been saying consistently. Obviously things get distorted when you're sitting in a bunker and predicting doomsday.


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Gandalf The White
18 February 2020 13:52:08


 


singapore does still though have more cases than Japan - 75 v 62.  Not sure though what the recovery rate is though in each country.


Originally Posted by: speckledjim 


Now 81, with four new cases today all linked to one of the early clusters.


29 fully recovered.


No deaths so far.


 


"As of noon Feb 18, a total of 2,486 close contacts have been identified and quarantined. Of these, 1,160 are still serving their quarantine while 1,326 have completed their 14 days of quarantine."


 


https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coronavirus-4-new-cases-including-3-linked-to-grace-assembly-of-god-church-21-cases


 


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


xioni2
18 February 2020 13:55:27


 It was never out of control in Singapore. 


Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


Perhaps you should book a quick trip to Japan next month to see their cherry blossom at discounted rates.


bowser
18 February 2020 14:16:54


 


Of which almost everyone appears guilty.


But the key point remains entirely valid: extrapolating based on cherry-picked data built on a lack of real understanding leads to absurd predictions and comments.


"it's out of control in Singapore" - demonstrably wrong when the comment was made and clearly wrong now.


"A global pandemic is inevitable" - so far not


"China is underreporting the numbers" - absolutely no evidence


Plus ridiculously pessimistic guesses on the mortality rate.


Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 


We just don't know enough to nail our colours to any mast, but better to err on the side of caution more than anything. One 'expert' viewpoint below, although I note Whitty is more circumspect.


Prof Neil Ferguson, professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College, warned that the world is “in the early phases of a global pandemic at the moment.”

Gandalf The White
18 February 2020 14:34:37


 


We just don't know enough to nail our colours to any mast, but better to err on the side of caution more than anything. One 'expert' viewpoint below, although I note Whitty is more circumspect.


Prof Neil Ferguson, professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College, warned that the world is “in the early phases of a global pandemic at the moment.”


Originally Posted by: bowser 


I agree. I am slightly less optimistic than I was about this being contained. Against that, the mortality rate, whilst higher than normal influenza, seems not to be hugely worse so far.


 


Location: South Cambridgeshire
130 metres ASL
52.0N 0.1E


Ally Pally Snowman
18 February 2020 14:40:14

Japan has 74 cases now it's having about 8 a day at the moment some from known clusters some not. I wouldnt say its out of control yet but its definitely struggling. I would agree Singapore has done a remarkable job to keep their outbreak under control its still having 3 or 4 cases a day though.  Also its world class healthcare keeping its critically ill alive.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Roger Parsons
18 February 2020 15:00:12


 


Done it Roger 


Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 



RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Roger Parsons
18 February 2020 15:01:20


Weekly flusurvey done.


Originally Posted by: xioni2 



RogerP
West Lindsey district of Lincolnshire
Everything taken together, here in Lincolnshire are more good things than man could have had the conscience to ask.
William Cobbett, in his Rural Rides - c.1830
Ally Pally Snowman
18 February 2020 15:11:33

North Korea still has no confirmed cases according to its Health minister . Well done Kim Jong-un. 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
xioni2
18 February 2020 15:24:46


North Korea still has no confirmed cases according to its Health minister . Well done Kim Jong-un. 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


He is the leader we need (and deserve)!

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